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Would you say anything to people who have a black jockey outside?
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adigal (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Jun-08-11 08:08 PM
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Would you say anything to people who have a black jockey outside?
   
I drive by this house every day going and coming home from work. It is on a main street, and they always have a huge Christmas display. For the last 6 months or so, they have had one of the black jockey statues right out front. This is not a historic one. This is a new one. In upstate NY, you can still get them in garden centers; they hide them in the back. I understand that this statue symbolizes the slave who waited outside for his "Master" to come home late at night, and I think it is racist and inappropriate. I wonder if I should say anything?? Some people say to paint it, I would never do that to someone's property, even if I disagree. Others say to hang a sign around its neck, saying something like, "The people who live here are racist." Or should I put a letter in their mailbox? Or just continue to ignore it. It really does bother me, and I can't believe people put stuff like that up in the year 2011. BTW, we are in a lily white, rural, economically uneven area. Any ideas greatly appreciated.

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How about, minding your own damn business?
Last I checked we still had freedom of speech and some private property rights.

I also wonder if this is bullshit, since I haven't seen those statues since I was a kid.

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2. when I was a student in Rochester, NY,   Updated at 7:00 PM
   
we were told not to drive our cars with hippie hair in the rural areas, b/c the Klan was mighty strong up there...we had some weird moments even in the suburbs which led me to believe that I was in school in Alabama or Misssissippi.
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adigal (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Jun-08-11 08:14 PM
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12. I lived in Orange County, NY, 1 1/2 hours north of Manhattan
   
and the head of the northeast branch of the KKK openly lived in our town. They had a march in NYC, and were allowed to have it even though groups sued to try to stop them, and the anti-Klan in NYC outnumbered the Klan about 100 to 1!! But I don't live in NYC now!
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B-Stupid (13 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Jun-08-11 08:36 PM
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38. That's complete bullshit
   
There was never Klan in Rochester NY. Please tell me you didn't attend U of R.
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adigal (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Jun-08-11 09:01 PM
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52. There are Klans and Klan members all over NY
   
It is NOT bull.
   

I thought only the south had any racists.  :mental:

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adigal (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Jun-08-11 08:23 PM
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25. Well, I won't destroy anyone's property
   
Maybe take a picture, send it to the local paper.

Who knows that could get Wiener off the front page.

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15. They are not necessarily a sign of racism. There are historians who say
   
they represent an African-American hero who helped George Washington and also that they were a symbol relating to the underground railroad.

"According to the River Road African American Museum the figure originated in commemoration of heroic dedication to duty: "It is said that the 'lawn jockey' actually has its roots in the tale of one Jocko Graves, an African-American youth who served with General George Washington at the time that he crossed the Delaware to carry out his surprise attack on British forces at Trenton, NJ. The General thought him too young to take along on such a dangerous attack, so left him on the Pennsylvania side to tend to the horses and to keep a light on the bank for their return. So the story goes, the boy, faithful to his post and his orders, froze to death on the river bank during the night, the lantern still in his hand. The General was so much moved by the boy's devotion to his duty that he had a statue sculpted and cast of him, holding the lantern, and had it installed at his Mount Vernon estate. He called the sculpture 'The Faithful Groomsman'." ...

Charles Blockson, curator of the Afro-American Collection at Temple University in Philadelphia, claims that the figures were used in the days of the Underground Railroad to guide escaping slaves to freedom: "Green ribbons were tied to the arms of the statue to indicate safety; red ribbons meant to keep going ... People who don’t know the history of the jockey have feelings of humiliation and anger when they see the statue..." <2> Blockson has installed an example of the statue at the entrance to the University's Sullivan Hall."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawn_jockey
   

Sounds like something Sarah Palin would make up.
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53. Why would you assume to be smarter then those people?

Because that is what DUmmies do.

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42. I Have Done It
   
Four times. Different people. I don't wait for an explanation or excuses, or an argument.

I just tell them what a tool they are, explain why, and then drive on.

There's also a scumbag about 8 miles south of my small town that flies a confed flag with a fire in the middle.

I've stopped to tell him what for, about 3 times. Now, i slow down when i see he's out there and just flip him off once i know he recognizes it's me.
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adigal (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Jun-08-11 09:02 PM
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54. LOL!! You have more courage than I do!!! n/t

Yeah real courage there.  :whatever:

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50. Some people can find 'racism' on an olive can label...
   
:eyes:

They all post at DU.

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adigal (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Jun-08-11 09:04 PM
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56. This family isn't black, and they probably don't know
   
about the good or the bad stories. I am obviously making an assumption here, but I live in a pretty backward racist area.

The neighbors must have had repuke yard signs or something.




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Re: Would you say anything to people who have a black jockey outside?
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2011, 08:20:25 PM »
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Would you say anything to people who have a black jockey outside?
Dude must live in a neighborhood full of retired folks who haven't bought new yard ornaments in fifty years.  Do they even sell black jockey lawn ornaments anymore?

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Re: Would you say anything to people who have a black jockey outside?
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2011, 08:25:06 PM »
::) MYOB!
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Re: Would you say anything to people who have a black jockey outside?
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2011, 08:30:08 PM »
I might say "good morning", or afternoon.
Kind of depends what time of day.
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Re: Would you say anything to people who have a black jockey outside?
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2011, 08:31:11 PM »
Quote from: chris_ on June 08, 2011, 08:20:25 PM
Dude must live in a neighborhood full of retired folks who haven't bought new yard ornaments in fifty years.  Do they even sell black jockey lawn ornaments anymore?

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Re: Would you say anything to people who have a black jockey outside?
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2011, 08:35:45 PM »
Take a picture and post it DUmmie.
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Re: Would you say anything to people who have a black jockey outside?
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2011, 08:37:53 PM »
Quote from: BEG on June 08, 2011, 08:35:45 PM
Take a picture and post it DUmmie.

I did. And who you callin' DUmmie?
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Re: Would you say anything to people who have a black jockey outside?
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2011, 08:40:27 PM »
Quote from: beefeater on June 08, 2011, 08:37:53 PM
I did. And who you callin' DUmmie?

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Re: Would you say anything to people who have a black jockey outside?
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2011, 08:41:44 PM »
Liberals are the first to cry "stay out of my bedroom!" when they want to practice their perversions in public (here's looking at you, San Francisco), but don't have a problem with telling everyone else what to do in their kitchens, bathrooms, playrooms, or yards.  ******* busybodies.
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Re: Would you say anything to people who have a black jockey outside?
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2011, 08:43:14 PM »
Quote from: chris_ on June 08, 2011, 08:41:44 PM
Liberals are the first to cry "stay out of my bedroom!" when they want to practice their perversions in public (here's looking at you, San Francisco), but don't have a problem with telling everyone else what to do in their kitchens, bathrooms, playrooms, or yards.  ******* busybodies.

Exactly. I bet if it was a blow up doll of Anthony Wiener then that would be just fine.

 
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Re: Would you say anything to people who have a black jockey outside?
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2011, 08:58:03 PM »
I thought the G. Washington story was common knowledge.  I also heard about the figures being marked as signals during the days of the Underground Railroad in history class in jr. high.  That has been a long time ago and I still remember it.

Silly me.  I attended class and didn't smoke dope.
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Re: Would you say anything to people who have a black jockey outside?
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2011, 09:00:42 PM »
Quote from: longview on June 08, 2011, 08:58:03 PM
I thought the G. Washington story was common knowledge.  I also heard about the figures being marked as signals during the days of the Underground Railroad in history class in jr. high.  That has been a long time ago and I still remember it.

Silly me.  I attended class and didn't smoke dope.

The DUmmies think the underground railroad was a train buried deep in the ground.
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Re: Would you say anything to people who have a black jockey outside?
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2011, 04:41:07 AM »
Quote from: Freeper on June 08, 2011, 09:00:42 PM
The DUmmies think the underground railroad was a train buried deep in the ground.

They do know it ran right thru upstate NY right? Idiots! There are a lot of lawn jockeys (safe houses) in my neck of the woods.
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Re: Would you say anything to people who have a black jockey outside?
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2011, 05:36:39 AM »
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42. I Have Done It
   
Four times. Different people. I don't wait for an explanation or excuses, or an argument.

I just tell them what a tool they are, explain why, and then drive on.

There's also a scumbag about 8 miles south of my small town that flies a confed flag with a fire in the middle.

I've stopped to tell him what for, about 3 times. Now, i slow down when i see he's out there and just flip him off once i know he recognizes it's me.
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adigal (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Jun-08-11 09:02 PM
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54. LOL!! You have more courage than I do!!! n/t

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57. Well, A Couple Of Things
   
First, i know how to pick my spots. I can sense a punk when there is a punk present.

Secondly, i was a nationally ranked boxer when i was in college, so i can handle myself.

Put a person who can handle themselves in a situation with a punk, and there is little reason for concern.

But, thanks for the compliment.
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Re: Would you say anything to people who have a black jockey outside?
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2011, 07:00:33 AM »
Quote from: Freeper on June 08, 2011, 08:14:17 PM
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How about, minding your own damn business?
Last I checked we still had freedom of speech and some private property rights.

I also wonder if this is bullshit, since I haven't seen those statues since I was a kid.

I thought only the south had any racists.  :mental:

Who knows that could get Wiener off the front page.

Sounds like something Sarah Palin would make up.
 :-)

Because that is what DUmmies do.

Yeah real courage there.  :whatever:

They all post at DU.

The neighbors must have had repuke yard signs or something.





Phony outrage Freep...I've seen those very same statues only they were white!
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Re: Would you say anything to people who have a black jockey outside?
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2011, 07:51:09 AM »
Quote from: Toastedturningtidelegs on June 09, 2011, 07:00:33 AM
Phony outrage Freep...I've seen those very same statues only they were white!

My neighbors up the street have one.  It's a black jockey, and they are black.  So, to answer the question.  No.  I would not say anything to people who have a black jockey outside. 
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Re: Would you say anything to people who have a black jockey outside?
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2011, 08:15:59 AM »
Holy Shit!  ProfessorGAC is a first class asshole!  How come I haven't run into him before?  Gotta pay attention. 

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Re: Would you say anything to people who have a black jockey outside?
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2011, 08:18:40 AM »
Quote from: chris_ on June 08, 2011, 08:20:25 PM
Dude must live in a neighborhood full of retired folks who haven't bought new yard ornaments in fifty years.  Do they even sell black jockey lawn ornaments anymore?

::)

I haven't even SEEN one since I was a kid, let alone seen one for sale.  Gawd, could you imagine the outrage if someone were to sell those?
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Re: Would you say anything to people who have a black jockey outside?
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2011, 08:21:46 AM »
Quote from: IassaFTots on June 09, 2011, 07:51:09 AM
My neighbors up the street have one.  It's a black jockey, and they are black.  So, to answer the question.  No.  I would not say anything to people who have a black jockey outside. 
Yeah i know there are black ones but i have seen them in white as well! Really don't understand why they are so up in arms over stupid shit like this...Oh wait! Yes i do! :whatever: :-)
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Re: Would you say anything to people who have a black jockey outside?
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2011, 08:25:36 AM »
That reminds me, this made me laugh:

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In upstate NY, you can still get them in garden centers; they hide them in the back.

Like the porno tapes at the video store!   :lmao:  Hide them in the back, indeed.  What bullshit.  I'm just picturing a clandestine exchange, with sidelong glances and whispered negotiations.  Do they wear trench coats?  

What a goofball, thinking about hanging a sign from a lawn statue.  
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Re: Would you say anything to people who have a black jockey outside?
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2011, 11:26:16 AM »
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Re: Would you say anything to people who have a black jockey outside?
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2011, 02:52:31 PM »
Quote from: Toastedturningtidelegs on June 09, 2011, 07:00:33 AM
Phony outrage Freep...I've seen those very same statues only they were white!

If you check Beefeaters eBay link above you'll see white ones there. eBay is full of racist pigs too because the white ones cost more. :lmao:
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Re: Would you say anything to people who have a black jockey outside?
« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2011, 02:59:21 PM »
Quote from: Karin on June 09, 2011, 08:25:36 AM
That reminds me, this made me laugh:

Like the porno tapes at the video store!   :lmao:  Hide them in the back, indeed.  What bullshit.  I'm just picturing a clandestine exchange, with sidelong glances and whispered negotiations.  Do they wear trench coats?  

What a goofball, thinking about hanging a sign from a lawn statue.  
Still available and have always been for years at The Garden Spot on Harlem rd in Cheektowaga N.Y. outside Buffalo.
They don't hide them in the back, right out front along the sidewalk. They come in plain concrete so you have to paint them yourself but the fact that they are on Harlem road is worth a chuckle.
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Re: Would you say anything to people who have a black jockey outside?
« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2011, 06:25:06 PM »
I just had to drag this over from the thread.
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91. Years ago, a buddy and I swiped stole a white lawn jockey
 off a road in rural Minnesota. It was out by a mailbox and when we saw it we started laughing so hard we almost dropped our beers. He backed up his car and we muscled it into the trunk. Weighed a ton, but we got it down into the basement of his house. That story provided laffs for years.
 
Yes, stealing a lawn ornament from a farmer in rural Minnesota is a real laff.
While drinking and driving, no less.
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Re: Would you say anything to people who have a black jockey outside?
« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2011, 06:33:36 PM »
Quote from: chris_ on June 08, 2011, 08:41:44 PM
Liberals are the first to cry "stay out of my bedroom!" when they want to practice their perversions in public (here's looking at you, San Francisco), but don't have a problem with telling everyone else what to do in their kitchens, bathrooms, playrooms, or yards.  ******* busybodies.


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