whitehouse.gov

[Eupher]

Lrn2 Sarcasm.

Oh, a smartass! Goody! I love smartasses!!! Tell you what, ****face -- I'll learn sarcasm when you can learn how to spell.

Howzat for sarcasm, dipshit?  

[Chris_]

Uh oh.  A Wikipedia link.  Jeffy brought his A-game tonight.

[Eupher]

Uh oh.  A Wikipedia link.  Jeffy brought his A-game tonight.

Jeffy's Mommy has him on a very short internet leash. That's to keep him off of porn sites and such. And she restricts him to Wikipedia only. That's so he can learn the lib way of doing things.

[NHSparky]

Lrn2 Sarcasm.

Are you people honestly this ignorant of the world around you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act

HELLO!!!!  McFLY!!!!

No less a liberal than Senator Dianne Feinstein had her staff go through some 20,000 (yes, TWENTY THOUSAND) claims of abuses at the hand of the Patriot Act.  You know how many were substantiated?

Zero.  None.  Not. A. ****ing. ONE.

Now also consider who was the person back in the 1990's to first suggest a version of the Patriot Act.  I'll give you a hint: he currently has his "official" residence at Number One Observatory Circle.

Oh, and reliance upon "Teh Wiki" as a credible source?  FAIL.

[Splashdown]

Huh. Still waiting.

[Hella Jeff]

HELLO!!!!  McFLY!!!!

No less a liberal than Senator Dianne Feinstein had her staff go through some 20,000 (yes, TWENTY THOUSAND) claims of abuses at the hand of the Patriot Act.  You know how many were substantiated?

Zero.  None.  Not. A. ****ing. ONE.

Now also consider who was the person back in the 1990's to first suggest a version of the Patriot Act.  I'll give you a hint: he currently has his "official" residence at Number One Observatory Circle.

Oh, and reliance upon "Teh Wiki" as a credible source?  FAIL.

I dont understand your debate style. Instead of actually adressing what I said you just go "OH YEAH WELL THE DEMOCRATS DID THIS". Its dialectic equivelent of "NO U". Im not defending Obama, Im not defending the scumbags in the Democratic party, yet for some reason you feel the need to defend Bush to the death. Even though he started a completely pointless war, even though he drove up the national debt, even though he wiped his ass on the 4th amendment. You still feel the need to defending him, I thought you were a conservative? Or perhaps you should rename the board to "Neo-Conservative Cave"

[Hella Jeff]

Also,

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/05/secret-patriot-act/

Read this and still tell me its constitutional, or even ethical. Keep defending the Neo-Cons, prove to me that real conservatism is dead.

[TVDOC]

Also,

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/05/secret-patriot-act/

Read this and still tell me its constitutional, or even ethical. Keep defending the Neo-Cons, prove to me that real conservatism is dead.

I'm curious Jeff.....do you know what a NeoCon actually is??

I'll save you the trip to Wikipedia:

A NeoCon is a group of Jewish "blue dog" democrat writers, pundits, columnists, and politicians who finally got tired of dealing with the fact that the Democrat party had morphed into a bunch of cowards, pansies, and wimps.....when it came to the national security of the United States and its allies.

They decided that the conservative side of the political spectrum was the only place that they could find common ground with the concept of a strong US military, and the projection of US power abroad when it is in our national interest........

I'll take them....any day.  We consider that description a complement around these parts.

doc

[Splashdown]

Also,

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/05/secret-patriot-act/

Read this and still tell me its constitutional, or even ethical. Keep defending the Neo-Cons, prove to me that real conservatism is dead.

lol.

"Secret" patriot act. Double secret law interpretations....

Drawn up by the Illuminat? or the Knights Templar? Elvis? Which one?

Do you have a link to illegal wiretaps?

[Hella Jeff]

I'm curious Jeff.....do you know what a NeoCon actually is??

I'll save you the trip to Wikipedia:

A NeoCon is a group of Jewish "blue dog" democrat writers, pundits, columnists, and politicians who finally got tired of dealing with the fact that the Democrat party had morphed into a bunch of cowards, pansies, and wimps.....when it came to the national security of the United States and its allies.

They decided that the conservative side of the political spectrum was the only place that they could find common ground with the concept of a strong US military, and the projection of US power abroad when it is in our national interest........

Whats up with the 'Jewish' emphasis?

[Doc]

Whats up with the 'Jewish' emphasis?

Two reasons:  

First, the definition is accurate......the original NeoCons were nearly exclusively Jewish......

And second:  Use of the word "NeoCon" as a pejorative by liberals/progressives/socialists/communists, demonstrates their latent antisemitism.........they all have it, they all use it.........they consider them turncoats....... it's their codeword, just like referring to conservative blacks as "Uncle Toms".

A liberal (like perhaps yourself) calling someone a "NeoCon" is an ethnic slur that they think they can get away with.

We see it as a badge of honor.......people who have wised up:  Neo = "New", Con - "Conservatives",

All are welcome in the conservative movement, even if we don't see eye-to-eye on every issue.

doc

[Hella Jeff]

I didnt know Dick Cheney was Jewish. So if I oppose something that was invented by a jewish person but that isnt inherently Jewish and is now mostly non-Jewish Im an anti-semite?

Youre worse than people who say Im racist for not support Barrack Obama.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

I didnt know Dick Cheney was Jewish.

No. No.

He's just serving the bidding of his Zionist AIPAC overlords.

However, just because you haven't heard the cat-calls doesn't mean they don't exist:

How Neoconservatives Conquered Washington – and Launched a War
by Michael Lind
April 10, 2003

...Most neoconservative defense intellectuals have their roots on the left, not the right. They are products of the influential Jewish-American sector of the Trotskyist movement of the 1930s and 1940s, ...

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/lind1.html

[Cheney] got the neocon doctrine at AEI; and that was that Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East and we have to change regimes to make the Middle East safe for the west. Cheney fell in love with Bernard Lewis, a leading neocon. Had him to the White House, toasted him at his birthday. Cheney believes Bernard Lewis. The brains that came in from AEI were people like David Wurmser and Richard Perle. These guys didn't care about oil, they care about Israel and ending the Oslo peace process, taking the world's eyes off the Israeli occupation.

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/03/18/oh_come_on_lets_blame_the_israel_lobby_for_iraq/

Walt and Mearsheimer, you’ll remember, gained national attention in 2006 when they published a paper arguing that the “Israel lobby” wields enormous power over American foreign policy. Part of their argument was undoubtedly true: AIPAC and other pro-Israel organizations do wield great power in Washington...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-12-06/what-the-neocons-really-want/

Whether you call it the Israel Lobby or AIPAC (the American Israel Public Affairs Committee) or the Neocons...

http://www.openleft.com/diary/19474/chicken-hawk-neocons-target-vice-admiral-joe-sestak

And it goes on like that.

[TVDOC]

I didn't know Dick Cheney was Jewish. So if I oppose something that was invented by a Jewish person but that isn't inherently Jewish and is now mostly non-Jewish I'm an anti-semite?

Youre worse than people who say Im racist for not support Barrack Obama.

First......Dick Cheney is not, and never has been a "NeoCon".  Cheney was a conservative when conservatism wasn't cool.......way before the NeoCon movement.  He'd more accurately be referred to as a "PaleoCon".

Now, "NeoCon", can today, perhaps more accurately be described as anyone (regardless of religion) who has seen the light and become a conservative, having once held liberal beliefs.  The term is still, however, used as a "slur", by liberals.........who are, as a group (discounting Arabs), the most antisemitic bunch around.

Like I chastened you in another thread......throwing words around without totally understanding what you are saying makes you look like a fool........more homework is needed, grasshopper........

doc

[NHSparky]

I dont understand your debate style.

It's very simple, really--you make a point, I counter it, we both provide sources (CREDIBLE ONES--no usage of "Teh Wiki") to support our positions, etc., etc...

Basically, what I'm seeing in you is someone who has been exposed to one side of an issue and only knows how to regurgitate it without any sort of critical analysis of the issue at hand.  In your previous post, you claimed I'm defending Bush.  Really?  Where?

Oh, and as far as my claim vis-a-vis Biden, look up "Omnibus Counterterrorism Act of 1995" on Google or Thomas.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10024163-38.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.0

Biden himself draws parallels between his 1995 bill and its 2001 cousin. "I drafted a terrorism bill after the Oklahoma City bombing. And the bill John Ashcroft sent up was my bill," he said when the Patriot Act was being debated, according to the New Republic, which described him as "the Democratic Party's de facto spokesman on the war against terrorism."

Now, pretty please, go eat a fat bag of dicks.

[Splashdown]

Just checking if the young man posted any link to "illegal wiretapping" yet...


Nope. Nothing.

[Freeper]

I dont understand your debate style. Instead of actually adressing what I said you just go "OH YEAH WELL THE DEMOCRATS DID THIS". Its dialectic equivelent of "NO U". Im not defending Obama, Im not defending the scumbags in the Democratic party, yet for some reason you feel the need to defend Bush to the death. Even though he started a completely pointless war, even though he drove up the national debt, even though he wiped his ass on the 4th amendment. You still feel the need to defending him, I thought you were a conservative? Or perhaps you should rename the board to "Neo-Conservative Cave"

Yay! yet another person coming here to let us know that we are fake conservatives.
Now that I think about it, I should have suggested that Kevin name this board NeoCon cave just to tweak the Ron Paul disciples.