Herman Cain a Fraud?

[CG6468]

May 25, 2011, - 3:37 pm
FRAUD: Herman Cain Does 180 on Islam, Would Appoint Muslims to Cabinet

By Debbie Schlussel

After coming out strongly against Islam and appointing Muslims to his cabinet, Republican Presidential candidate Herman Cain reversed course completely.  Yup, the guy is a total fraud, a complete flip-flopper.  Buh-bye, Herman.

Praise allah: One Out of Two Herman Cains Would Appoint Muslims to His Cabinet, Judgeships

    Herman Cain wants to correct the record: He would consider a Muslim for his cabinet or as a federal judge if he’s elected president.

Scratch Cain from any consideration from me.

LINK: Muzzies on Cain's White House team?

[thundley4]

HERMAN CAIN, CEO, THE NEW VOICE: Hey, Neil, a reporter asked me would I appoint a Muslim to my administration? I did say no. And here’s why. But the reporter didn’t tell you this.
I would have to have people totally committed to the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of this United States. And many of the Muslims, they are not totally dedicated to this country. They are not dedicated to our Constitution. Many of them are trying to force Sharia law on the people of this country.
And, so, yes, I did say it, and that is because I don’t have time to be watching someone on my administration if they are not totally committed to the Declaration and the Constitution of the United States and the laws of this country.
CAVUTO: So, what if they told you, a prospective Cabinet member in a Cain administration, look, I’m Muslim, but I — I would honor all of the above and I would not be necessarily for Sharia law?
CAIN: Then, in that case, I would certainly consider that individual.
But, see, my motivation for saying, no, I wouldn’t, was based upon the fact that they are trying to push Sharia law off on this country. And I’m simply not going to try and be politically correct in order to help facilitate that.
But if they were to give me a commitment, and they had some very critical skills bring to the administration for the good of this country, of course I would consider them.
CAVUTO: OK. So, you’re not saying never, never, never?
CAIN: No, I’m not saying never, never, never.
Look, as you know, Neil, the first — one of the biggest things that any leader has to do, especially the president, is to surround himself or herself with the right people. There are tons of capable people in this country.
And while I have been in this exploratory phase, yes, I have been considering, who would I put in various roles? Who do I consider to be some of the true patriots of this country that could help a Herman Cain Cabinet if I were to run and become president?
And, so, yes, so far, I have not come across or I don’t have acquaintances with people who have professed their Muslim religion that are on the list of people that I would consider.
We are — we have become a nation of crises, Neil. And being politically correct isn’t something I am going to spend a whole lot of my time worrying about, when we got all of these other problems that we are facing right here in this country.

I don't have a problem with that.

[CG6468]

I don't have a problem with that.

Muzzies all dress alike. How does one tell the difference between a good muzzie and a bad one?

[thundley4]

Muzzies all dress alike. How does one tell the difference between a good muzzie and a bad one?

Let me know when you find a candidate that will answer that question differently. If a candidate says that they will not appoint a Muslim based on their religion, they may as well withdraw from the race.

[CG6468]

Let me know when you find a candidate that will answer that question differently. If a candidate says that they will not appoint a Muslim based on their religion, they may as well withdraw from the race.

And a background check, and a security clearance, just like the others are.

[Crazy Horse]

And a background check, and a security clearance, just like the others are.

What are you talkin about puddle pirate???

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Muzzies all dress alike. How does one tell the difference between a good muzzie and a bad one?

How do you tell good Christians from bad when they all dress alike?

FFS let's not cut our face off to spite our nose.

[Yes, I meant it that way so show the extremity.]

[delilahmused]

Scratch Cain from any consideration from me.

LINK: Muzzies on Cain's White House team?

My son serves with Muslims who put country first just like their nonMuslim brothers. Content of character, NOT religion. When Jake was at DLI he had teachers from Sudan, Jordan, Egypt, and Iraq. All were very pro American and hate the extremists.

Cindie

[BlueStateSaint]

Just as there are good Catholics and bad Catholics, good Baptists and bad Baptists, good Jews and bad Jews, good Buddhists and bad Buddhists, ad infinitum, there's good Muslims and bad Muslims.  Discriminating people know this.

Speaking of Cain, here's soimething I found on Yahoo! today:

Why Herman Cain Could Become America's First Black President

Sevastian Winters – Mon May 30, 3:40 pm ET
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COMMENTARY | After Barack Obama, America's first African American president, is America now prepared to vote its first black president into office? This week, the Republicans' best shot for a presidential win, staunch conservative Herman Cain, takes to the campaign trail. After an impressive showing in the first debate amongst GOP hopefuls, Cain, rather than Romney or Gingrich, could be the one to beat in 2012 -- a true black man.

To clarify, being black in America is not about the color of one's skin or the curl of one's natural hair, though part of it. It is about a shared history of a robbed heritage -- a culture that has developed over several centuries unique to any other in human history.

President Obama was never robbed of his heritage. He knew which of his relatives came from Africa, from whence he came, and under what circumstances. When we talk about black people in America, we speak of people who in the view of history had no name until Harriet Tubman and precious little in terms of property until the generation of black people represented by Herman Cain.

This guy is a Democrat, folks.  And he feels this way.

I took out a couple of paragraphs because of the length of the article.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110530/us_ac/8560685_why_herman_cain_could_become_americas_first_black_president;_ylt=AooWor5KmLlq_e.laz18WORn.3QA;_ylu=X3oDMTRuanJvcWFmBGFzc2V0A2FjLzIwMTEwNTMwLzg1NjA2ODVfd2h5X2hlcm1hbl9jYWluX2NvdWxkX2JlY29tZV9hbWVyaWNhc19maXJzdF9ibGFja19wcmVzaWRlbnQEY2NvZGUDZ21wYWxscG9vbARjcG9zAzQEcG9zAzQEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yaWVzBHNsawN3aHloZXJtYW5jYWk-

[CG6468]

What are you talkin about puddle pirate???

Insult acknowledged, smartass.

Obastard's cabinet members are not so vetted, and Clinton's were absolutely not vetted.

[DumbAss Tanker]

This is the U.S., not Iran or even the Vatican.  The fact that someone has a certain particular religion is a completely prohibited, illegal basis to exclude even considering them for any secular position.  That's part of that whole 'Constitution' thing to which we want them to be loyal above all, y'know? 

[Crazy Horse]

Insult acknowledged, smartass.

Obastard's cabinet members are not so vetted, and Clinton's were absolutely not vetted.

Sorry that was clearly covered in the Inter-Service Rivalry Act of 1974.

So Cain said he would vett every person, regardless of their religious affiliation.

[Janice]

Gotta luv Herman Cain's no-nonsense, non pc, non professional liar, err .. I mean politicians answers.

[docstew]

Scratch Cain from any consideration from me.

LINK: Muzzies on Cain's White House team?

Yep, cuz four more years of 0bama is so much better...

[docstew]

This is the U.S., not Iran or even the Vatican.  The fact that someone has a certain particular religion is a completely prohibited, illegal basis to exclude even considering them for any secular position.  That's part of that whole 'Constitution' thing to which we want them to be loyal above all, y'know? 

Exactly correct.  You were saying CG?

[rich_t]

Muzzies all dress alike. How does one tell the difference between a good muzzie and a bad one?

No...  They don't.

[Thor]

One of our non-participatory members here is a Muslim and I would choose him as a Muslim cabinet member if he were qualified for such a position. He's a former Marine, has held security clearances, etc. He is one that doesn't dress like a Muslim and puts his country first. He also doesn't believe in Sharia law over US Law.

[Salaam]

One of our non-participatory members here is a Muslim and I would choose him as a Muslim cabinet member if he were qualified for such a position. He's a former Marine, has held security clearances, etc. He is one that doesn't dress like a Muslim and puts his country first. He also doesn't believe in Sharia law over US Law.

Well I would like to add that I have zero clue what Muslim dress looks like For me it's whatever I pull out the dresser like today I wore khaki cargo shorts, a t-shirt and sneakers. Which is what most Muslims who look like me probably wore today. One of my close friends Muhammad wore a linen shirt and sandals with his shorts and sunglasses to accent the diamond studs in his ears. He's such a pretty boy! All jokes aside cultural dress is not Muslim dress. People dress according to their culture which some imitate. But if you look at the majority of Muslims in the US who happen to be black Americans you will see that we dress according to our culture as well. We are not bedouins so Muslims like me dress New Jerseyan because that's were I'm from or New Yorkan like my wife and most of my friends because that's where they are from unfortunately. On a serious note it's a beautiful thing to read this thread and see real Americans standing up for our values even if you are unfortunately plagued with a case of anti obamaism

[thundley4]

Well I would like to add that I have zero clue what Muslim dress looks like For me it's whatever I pull out the dresser like today I wore khaki cargo shorts, a t-shirt and sneakers.

With or without socks?  I'm only asking because that is what I wore today. 

[Salaam]

With socks was never allowed to wear shoes without socks except for sandals. Kinda stuck with me since childhood.

[vesta111]

With socks was never allowed to wear shoes without socks except for sandals. Kinda stuck with me since childhood.

Question for Salaam.

Why is it that the men of Islam can dress any darn way they choose, but their woman and girls regardless if what country or job they choose MUST wear the head scarf in public.

At my job the Sanitation requirements were for hair nets even for the dudes that were bald. 

The woman of Islam had to remove their head scarfs and wear hair nets to work ---They never came in or left to go  home without their scarfs.

In the last 10 years I worked with these people, at least two husbands came in an removed their wives from work as they were wearing hair nets at their job  and not the head scarf.

Why is it we can pick out a woman or girl of Islam  in public because of their dress but the men flit about in shorts, sandals and no head covering ????

Pleeeeeze Salaam, do not tell me this is the woman's choice.    We at this time have more then a few fathers in prison as they killed their young daughters for going without the scarf and were becoming too westernized

So whats with the males that have the choice to dress as they wish but the woman can become a target for the crazies that hate Islam.     Are the woman in some way shielding your identity, some crazy decides to kill Muslims but can only identify the woman as the men look like everyone else????

 Put it this way my dear, had a Christian Country attacked a Muslim country and the Christions for what ever idea decided to move in and life in the country.     Get the Idea.     Thousands of Christians moved into a country they had attacked and the male Christians dressed like the Muslim male population.   

Now the wives and daughters had to wear mini skirts with a huge cross around their neck.This is a like setting them up to take the fall for the men.    No question here who is Christian and big question of what male is????

Can you Salaam tell me why this is?????

[Salaam]

Question for Salaam.

Why is it that the men of Islam can dress any darn way they choose, but their woman and girls regardless if what country or job they choose MUST wear the head scarf in public.

At my job the Sanitation requirements were for hair nets even for the dudes that were bald. 

The woman of Islam had to remove their head scarfs and wear hair nets to work ---They never came in or left to go  home without their scarfs.

In the last 10 years I worked with these people, at least two husbands came in an removed their wives from work as they were wearing hair nets at their job  and not the head scarf.

Why is it we can pick out a woman or girl of Islam  in public because of their dress but the men flit about in shorts, sandals and no head covering ????

Pleeeeeze Salaam, do not tell me this is the woman's choice.    We at this time have more then a few fathers in prison as they killed their young daughters for going without the scarf and were becoming too westernized

So whats with the males that have the choice to dress as they wish but the woman can become a target for the crazies that hate Islam.     Are the woman in some way shielding your identity, some crazy decides to kill Muslims but can only identify the woman as the men look like everyone else????

 Put it this way my dear, had a Christian Country attacked a Muslim country and the Christions for what ever idea decided to move in and life in the country.     Get the Idea.     Thousands of Christians moved into a country they had attacked and the male Christians dressed like the Muslim male population.   

Now the wives and daughters had to wear mini skirts with a huge cross around their neck.This is a like setting them up to take the fall for the men.    No question here who is Christian and big question of what male is????

Can you Salaam tell me why this is?????

I don't know where all these assumptions and blanket accusations come from, but I can say that from the experience of being married to a Muslim woman from a Muslim family that generalizations don't always ring true. I seriously doubt you would be able to pick my wife, her sisters, or her mother out of a line up of black American women as Muslims and it's not just black Muslim women. I helped create a Muslim non-profit and our president and executives are all women save me (go figure) the president is Syrian, the executives from Pakistan, India, Nigeria, and other traditionally "Muslim" countries. All are practicing Muslims and only one from Malaysia, wears a hijab. So I don't know what your experience is, but this is mine as a devout and practicing Muslim. I'm not about to get into Islamic theology, fiqh, tafsir, etc. etc. etc. because it wouldn't make a difference in the discussion. The fact remains at least in my life and experience, that Muslim women choose to dress how they will, and that's their right according to Islam. There are those such as Thor who can run the gambit for you and go through my friends list on facebook and report how many Muslim women actually wear hijab if you don't believe me. The results would pretty much match what I have stated. The majority of Muslim women at least in the West regardless of their ethnic or cultural origins tend to dress like other Western women more or less. I recommend you talk to or meet actual Muslim women rather than believe the hype. Just don't expect them to wear a label that states "I am a Muslim". Often, that clerk, employee, or woman just walking down the street that happens to look like she may be from a Middle Eastern country even if in a t-shirt and shorts is a Muslim. The Arabic names are almost always a dead giveaway too.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Salaam, I don't know how familiar you are with the posters here, but there generally isn't a lot to gain in responding to one of vesta's stream-of-damaged-consciousness posts in a real point-by-point way.  Just do your best to figure out the main point, if there is one, and hit that.  Sorry.   

[Eupher]

Salaam, I don't know how familiar you are with the posters here, but there generally isn't a lot to gain in responding to one of vesta's stream-of-damaged-consciousness posts in a real point-by-point way.  Just do your best to figure out the main point, if there is one, and hit that.  Sorry.  

 

Hey, Salaam. It's been awhile, eh?

[Salaam]

Salaam, I don't know how familiar you are with the posters here, but there generally isn't a lot to gain in responding to one of vesta's stream-of-damaged-consciousness posts in a real point-by-point way.  Just do your best to figure out the main point, if there is one, and hit that.  Sorry.   

Thanks for the advice. I will try not to drag myself down that path again. I would have hoped that in all these years I learned that much.

Hey, Salaam. It's been awhile, eh?

Too long. I have all but abandoned message boards. Years of headaches. However, I'm on fb all the time and some of the guys and gals who have been on opposite sides of the message board wars are my friends there and true to form we rarely agree with each other.  But at the end of the day, they're like family. It's good to be posting again who knows I might make it a habit....