Casey Anthony Murder Trial Underway

[Evil_Conservative]

The prosecution is addressing the public right now.

[cavegal]

Hope Springs Dr is a circus all over again.

Is that the parents house street name....really???

[Evil_Conservative]

Is that the parents house street name....really???

Yes.  Hope Spring Dr.  3192 if I remember correctly.

[cavegal]

Yes.  Hope Spring Dr.  3192 if I remember correctly.

I just earth googled it. Where was the body found how far away from that house?

[Tess Anderson]

You can remember THAT? I think about two miles, Jess.

Well, the "state" of FloridUH strikes again. Not hard to see that that this jury - ALL of them - are collectively dumber than a clawhammer.  

[debk]

Bit of quick personal background; I'm 50 y.o. now.  I grew up in a town that made Mayberry look like the big city.  We had a barber 'til he died.  Maybe it was a terrarium but it was blue collar, good people who knew how to take care of themselves and each other.  The few girls who did get pregnant went off to "live with her aunt".
We didn't go to school with black kids until Junior High in the next town, although our family knew some black families through my grandfather.
Most people really don't give a flying **** if it was Casey, grandparents, or the utility worker.  They wanted a pound of flesh to avenge the child.  Never doubt the power of the state to make Mother Theresa to look like a scumbag.

You are right, ONC...this verdict does not really affect most people, but it sure isn't stopping them from jumping on anyone who doesn't agree that the verdict was wrong.

The prosecution didn't PROVE anything!! It was all supposition and suggestion.

The law - in any capitol murder case - is that the prosecution is the side that MUST prove guilt beyond a shadow of doubt.

The jury sat there for weeks listening to evidence. The evidence wasn't good enough.

The investigators made many mistakes. A poor autopsy. Not following up on the utility worker's first report of the trash bag. Both were significant to proving guilt.

The prosecution could have gone for lesser charges that would have kept Casey in jail for decades, but they didn't. They went for the heaviest charge they could...without enough proof for conviction.

Be mad at the investigators for screwing up. Be mad at the prosecution for not doing their job.

But you can't be mad at the jury. They did the job they were ordered to do, by the judge, who based his directions on the charges brought by the District Attorney.

[GOBUCKS]

Now if Casey is  released soon who is going to hang out with her? Who will hang with her now?

Are you kidding? She'll be rich and easy.
That doesn't add up to loneliness, regardless of what else she may have done.
Good girls go to heaven, bad girls go wherever they want.

[Evil_Conservative]

I just earth googled it. Where was the body found how far away from that house?

The body was found on Suburban Drive.

[Tess Anderson]

For the last time, it's a reasonable doubt, not "beyond a shadow of a doubt". Sheesh.

[Randy]

I just earth googled it. Where was the body found how far away from that house?

Suburban drive, around the corner from the parents house by the school.

[cavegal]

Why is he thanking everyone? just disgraceful. They lost no thanks should be happening.

[Randy]

For the last time, it's a reasonable doubt, not "beyond a shadow of a doubt". Sheesh.

Yep, just because she was found not guilty doesn't mean she isn't guilty.

[Happy Fun Ball]

Who will get out first? Casey, or that DUmbass who flipped his finger in court?

From what I heard, he got out this morning. Boortz was talking about him for a while today.

[Randy]

The alternate jurors declined a press conference but 2 did leave their names. "We will attempt to contact them later"

[olde north church]

And usually in those cases, the mother is still charged with aggravated child abuse.  We had a few cases like this in Las Vegas since we have moved here.  The mother knew about their boyfriend's violent past, but would still leave their children with him. 

You're absolutely correct.  As it should be when proof of neglect exists.

[GOBUCKS]

If she was only found guilty of four misdemeanors, and has already served three years, I don't understand why she would not be allowed to post bail to be released pending sentencing. The most she could get, with consecutive sentences, would be another year,but in all likelihood, she will be released on time served. I've never heard of someone convicted of a misdemeanor who wasn't given a chance to post bond.  Why is she in jail until Thursday?

[Evil_Conservative]

If she was only found guilty of four misdemeanors, and has already served three years, I don't understand why she would not be allowed to post bail to be released pending sentencing. The most she could get, with consecutive sentences, would be another year,but in all likelihood, she will be released on time served. I've never heard of someone convicted of a misdemeanor who wasn't given a chance to post bond.  Why is she in jail until Thursday?

Paperwork?  Not sure.

At the time of my original statements, I did not know if the judge was going to count time served in the four guilty verdicts. 

Did OJ up and walk out of jail at the time of his acquittal?  I was young when that happened and cannot remember what happened.  I just remember the anger.

[CG6468]

Yep, just because she was found not guilty doesn't mean she is innocent.

Fixed.

[Randy]

She's still in protective custody too. No no one filled a motion for release so she went back to jail.

There's a chat going on that one of the stations is hosting. Someone on it had a great comment.

"I have a reasonable doubt in our justice system."

[cavegal]

Paperwork?  Not sure.

At the time of my original statements, I did not know if the judge was going to count time served in the four guilty verdicts. 

Did OJ up and walk out of jail at the time of his acquittal?  I was young when that happened and cannot remember what happened.  I just remember the anger.

My memory is he was let go right away. 

[ChuckJ]

My 2 cents. For what it's worth.

I was pretty certain that the verdict for the 1st degree murder charge would be not guilty. I was reasonably certain that the verdict for aggravated child abuse would be not guilty. I did, however, kind of figure they would find her guilty of manslaughter. I probably would have.

With that said I'm not going to condemn the jury as the prosecution had some problems.

1. Why wasn't the closest wooded area to the Anthony home searched sooner and more thoroughly? It was where the body was found. I realize it was thick with underbrush. I realize there was water there. I realize it wouldn't be a fun place to look, but a lot of times doing your job isn't fun. That's why they call it "work" instead of "fun".

2. Why did it take so long to get back with Krunk?

3. Why didn't the officer spend as much time searching the area as he allegedly spent chastising Krunk?

4. Why didn't Dr. G open the skull? I'm not a ME, but I thought the ME's job was to check everything which I would think would include a complete exam inside the skull. I realize that the anthropologist said that it wouldn't be done in an anthropological exam, but the ME wouldn't really be doing an anthropological exam.

5. How was the tape still on the face area if it was placed there prior to decomposition? I've never seen a decomposed human body, but since I've lived a lot of my life in the country I have seen decomposed animals. It's nasty. It's like everything dissolves. As the body dissolves everything slips down. Add in the fact that it was covered in water for a time and the tape location is even more questionable.

6. Why did Ashton often seem to act like an arrogant ass? All in all, I think his case was better. I think his expert witnesses were better. He should have been happy. Instead, during cross he seemed to belittle and mock the defense witnesses. Baez seemed to show more respect for opposing witnesses. And his laughter during closing was ridiculous.

7. Why didn't they include a charge for illegal disposal of a corpse (or whatever the charge would be)?

That's just some things off the top of my head.

As for Baez, many people have demeaned him. Maybe he didn't do the best of jobs, but even not counting the end result, I think he did fairly well considering he was trying to polish a turd.

[GOBUCKS]

My memory is he was let go right away. 

Yes. He walked out when court was adjourned.
The O.J. jury problem reminded me - considering how Florida is hardly a part of the United States anymore,
were there any Anglos on the jury? Jose Baez made a point of jabbering in Mexican after the trial.

[debk]

My 2 cents. For what it's worth.

I was pretty certain that the verdict for the 1st degree murder charge would be not guilty. I was reasonably certain that the verdict for aggravated child abuse would be not guilty. I did, however, kind of figure they would find her guilty of manslaughter. I probably would have.

With that said I'm not going to condemn the jury as the prosecution had some problems.

1. Why wasn't the closest wooded area to the Anthony home searched sooner and more thoroughly? It was where the body was found. I realize it was thick with underbrush. I realize there was water there. I realize it wouldn't be a fun place to look, but a lot of times doing your job isn't fun. That's why they call it "work" instead of "fun".

2. Why did it take so long to get back with Krunk? If his call had been followed up when he made it, the body would not have been nearly as decomposed and maybe cause of death could have been determined.

3. Why didn't the officer spend as much time searching the area as he allegedly spent chastising Krunk?

4. Why didn't Dr. G open the skull? I'm not a ME, but I thought the ME's job was to check everything which I would think would include a complete exam inside the skull. I realize that the anthropologist said that it wouldn't be done in an anthropological exam, but the ME wouldn't really be doing an anthropological exam.  Wasn't that part of the criticism of the autopsy not being done correctly? I thought ME's were supposed to examine EVERYTHING necessary to prove cause of death. They check the skull in books, tv shows and movies.

5. How was the tape still on the face area if it was placed there prior to decomposition? I've never seen a decomposed human body, but since I've lived a lot of my life in the country I have seen decomposed animals. It's nasty. It's like everything dissolves. As the body dissolves everything slips down. Add in the fact that it was covered in water for a time and the tape location is even more questionable. I wondered how the duct tape stayed in place too, when I heard it. I've heard that duct tape is supposed to be indestructible, which I don't know if true or not, but the body does dissolve and water speeds it up decomposition. I find it very hard to believe that the tape slipped through all the decomp to adhere to the skull. I don't think it works that way. 

6. Why did Ashton often seem to act like an arrogant ass? All in all, I think his case was better. I think his expert witnesses were better. He should have been happy. Instead, during cross he seemed to belittle and mock the defense witnesses. Baez seemed to show more respect for opposing witnesses. And his laughter during closing was ridiculous. Maybe he figured the jury would be influenced by his attitude, when he failed to prove guilt. It probably made the jury pay even more attention to the defense. He screwed up in the beginning though, by going after Casey with every possible charge to get as many "guilty" verdicts as possible. Even if he had gotten her on aggravated child abuse, she would have spent years in prison, and maybe in that time, enough evidence would have been found to convict her of murder in 1st degree. Now, even if she confessed to killing Caylee, she can't be tried. 

7. Why didn't they include a charge for illegal disposal of a corpse (or whatever the charge would be)? Could they have amended the charges after the start of the trial, and added that? I wonder if they will try to do that now, it's about the only thing left out of this trial.

That's just some things off the top of my head.

As for Baez, many people have demeaned him. Maybe he didn't do the best of jobs, but even not counting the end result, I think he did fairly well considering he was trying to polish a turd.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Okay, now that this daytime drama is over (except for the sentencing on Thursday), what's the next high-profile case?

There's gotta be one waiting in the wings somewhere.   

Somebody said the other day (I think it was TVDOC) that the reason the MSM (and that includes Fox anymore) pimps these cases is because of the daytime TV ratings suck so badly.

So how about it? The court pundits have gotta be lining up their next outrageous case that simply is beyond belief.

Right?

Probably.  I really don't have any interest in following cases like htis on a play-by-play basis with 'Experts' second-guessing every move either side makes, I am glad the damned thing is over and perhaps news more relevant to me (Like the pre-empted financial news programs on FoxBiz) will show up again.  For a time, at least, until the next circus comes to town. 

[terry]

The prosecution didn't PROVE anything!! It was all supposition and suggestion.

The law - in any capitol murder case - is that the prosecution is the side that MUST prove guilt beyond a shadow of doubt.

For the last time, it's a reasonable doubt, not "beyond a shadow of a doubt". Sheesh.

It's a circumstantial case, still completely valid.   If you are in a building without windows, come out and everything is covered in snow, and it's cold outside you can conclude that it snowed while you were in doors.  You didn't see the snow coming down but it is reasonable to assume it snowed, from clouds in the sky.  Is it possible that someone came around with a snow machine?  Possible but not a reasonable assumption.

Looking at all the facts together,  the smell in the car, the lies, the last person seen with Caylee, the place the body was tossed, the duct tape, Casey's behavior, the computer searches there is no other reasonable explanation than that Casey killed Caylee.  No has offered any other reasonable explanation, because there simply isn't one.