Casey Anthony Murder Trial Underway

[Revolution]

Don't know if it's an indication she was lying, because I don't usually make eye contact when I'm talking to someone even though I should. I suspect it's because of my neurologic problems. I don't know what her excuse is, or if she even has one.

[debk]

Don't know if it's an indication she was lying, because I don't usually make eye contact when I'm talking to someone even though I should. I suspect it's because of my neurologic problems. I don't know what her excuse is, or if she even has one.

I was taught at a young age, that I was to look at the person - preferably in their eyes - when I talked to them. I taught my kids the same thing.

It's the respectful thing to do. And people will also respect you in return for doing it.

Practice at it, Rev...you will soon be able to do it automatically. Even if it doesn't increase your confidence level...it will make you appear more confident to others! (I'm an expert at faking confidence!    )

[Evil_Conservative]

Holy crap! I just saw footage of people running down the hall early this morning to get a seat to watch the Anthony trial. All the while whooping, and hollering like they were going to the Superbowl. Is it just me, or is that kind of disturbing...?

I saw it too.  Looked like a bunch of pre-teens running off to a Justin Beiber concert.  It was sad and pathetic.  I understand people want to be in the courtroom, but really?  C'mon now people.

[Evil_Conservative]

I was taught at a young age, that I was to look at the person - preferably in their eyes - when I talked to them. I taught my kids the same thing.

It's the respectful thing to do. And people will also respect you in return for doing it.

Practice at it, Rev...you will soon be able to do it automatically. Even if it doesn't increase your confidence level...it will make you appear more confident to others! (I'm an expert at faking confidence!    )

Definitely look people in the eyes when you speak with them.  I've had cranky customers come up to me and huffing and puffing, but when I look them in the eyes when I am asking them questions and having small chit-chat, they seem much more happier in the end.

[Revolution]

I've heard some of the jailhouse interrogation tapes, and I am very, very impressed with the interrogator. Casey...well, you know what I think about her. I really hope to God she is called to the stand by Prosecution, or cross-examined by them. She'll cook herself. Since she's willing to ride this thing, all the lies, deceits, and bullshit, all the way to Old Sparky anyway, she's still gonna cook. It's just a matter of time.

[delilahmused]

I saw that footage also..

I thought it was disgusting and ghoulish.

Also, saw a bit of Cindy's testimony from yesterday. Anybody notice she kept her eyes downward...with the lids almost closed...the whole time she was answering questions?

Grief or guilt?

I look people in the eye when I talk to them....regardless of the situation...even when I'm really upset.

Most liars will avoid eye contact with those they are lying to, especially if they aren't good liars.

It just might be that she feels guilty about covering for her daughter. First it was a babysitter that took her, now she drowned in the pool. Drownings happen. It's sad but people don't tend to carry their dead children (whose death was accidental) around with them in the trunk. And what purpose would the duct tape serve on a dead child? Given the changing stories maybe mom realizes she raised a monster.

Cindie

[Revolution]

It might be partially that she raised a monster, but it might also possibly be that Casey had her cerebral wires crossed at birth. Who the hel knows? I know that Aileen Wournos' brain was kept for studying, because she was crazy as a bedbug. She showed it in every media appearance she made. Maybe they'll keep Casey's brain to study how a sociopath is born, thinks, acts, etc more in-depth.

This whole case is a whole web of questions, a few answers, and a whole lot of pissed off people thus far.

[Ptarmigan]

It might be partially that she raised a monster, but it might also possibly be that Casey had her cerebral wires crossed at birth. Who the hel knows? I know that Aileen Wournos' brain was kept for studying, because she was crazy as a bedbug. She showed it in every media appearance she made. Maybe they'll keep Casey's brain to study how a sociopath is born, thinks, acts, etc more in-depth.

This whole case is a whole web of questions, a few answers, and a whole lot of pissed off people thus far.

Casey Anthony is most likely a psychopath, like Eric Harris or Jeffrey Dahmer.

http://crimsonshadows.net/content/view/168/140/1/1/

[Revolution]

Interesting, Tarmy. Very interesting...

The acting-out is often dramatic, intrusive, manipulative, generally indifferent to others, and very likely to escalate until limits are externally imposed or personal resources are exhausted.

As referenced throughout this case, and especially in the jailhouse tapes, Anthony's "C's" are off the charts. This link is pretty darn good info.

However, I may be wrong, but isn't there a fine line between "psycho" and "socio" path?

[Evil_Conservative]

Casey Anthony is most likely a psychopath, like Eric Harris or Jeffrey Dahmer.

http://crimsonshadows.net/content/view/168/140/1/1/

Casey is closer to a sociopath than a psychopath.

[Ptarmigan]

Interesting, Tarmy. Very interesting...

As referenced throughout this case, and especially in the jailhouse tapes, Anthony's "C's" are off the charts. This link is pretty darn good info.

However, I may be wrong, but isn't there a fine line between "psycho" and "socio" path?

Sociopath is another word for antisocial. Antisocial people are often psychopaths from what I understand. There are some differences between the two. It is possible for one to be both a sociopath and psychopath.

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1. Sociopaths are very charming.
2. Sociopaths can be extremely manipulative and will try to con you whenever possible.
3. Sociopaths feel that they are entitled to everything.
4. Sociopaths  will lie continuously to get what they want. They can even sometimes manipulate a lie detector.
5. Sociopaths have no remorse, shame or guilt.
6. Sociopaths will show love and happiness only when it serves their purpose. None of the feelings are genuine.
7. Sociopaths have no room for love in their life.
8. Sociopaths need to have excitement in their lives or live on the edge.
9. Sociopaths have lack of empathy hen their victims suffer pain that they have caused.
10. Sociopaths believe that they are all mightier than tho, there is no concern on how their behavior impacts others.
11. Sociopaths usually have a long history of juvenile delinquency as well as behavior problems.
12. Sociopaths will never take blame for anything they have done to anyone no matter if it is family or friend.
13. Sociopaths have many sexual partners and tend to act out many sexual acts.
14. Sociopaths rarely stay in one place for a long time (home/work).
15. Sociopaths will change themselves if they know it will keep them from being found out.

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1. Psychopaths use superficial charm to lure their victims.
2. Psychopaths are extremely self-centered.
3. Psychopaths must always do something to keep themselves from boredom.
4. Psychopaths are very deceptive and tend to lie continuously.
5. Psychopaths show no remorse of guilt towards their victims.
6. Psychopaths are very predatory and usually will live off other people.
7. Psychopaths have many sexual partners in their lifetime.
8. Psychopaths are very impulsive with their lifestyle.
9. Psychopaths are always blaming other people for their actions.
10. Psychopaths never have a realistic view of their lives. (king of the world or from another planet)
11. Psychopaths always want psychological gratification in sexual and criminal activities.
12. Psychopaths tend to try suicide, rarely succeeding.
From the list, Casey Anthony is more of a sociopath with psychopathic characteristics.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1013712/sociopath_vs_psychopath_there_is_a.html?cat=72
http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath_2.htm

[Celtic Rose]

My understanding is that a sociopath is a person who is unable to relate to other people.  They cannot feel empathy and other people's suffering doesn't register with them so if their actions cause another pain they don't feel remorse. 

A psychopath, as far as I understand, actually enjoys the suffering of others.

[Ptarmigan]

My understanding is that a sociopath is a person who is unable to relate to other people.  They cannot feel empathy and other people's suffering doesn't register with them so if their actions cause another pain they don't feel remorse. 

A psychopath, as far as I understand, actually enjoys the suffering of others.

Sounds about right. A sociopath can be a psychopath. A lot of serial killers and dictators are sociopaths and psychopaths.

[vesta111]

I saw that footage also..

I thought it was disgusting and ghoulish.

Also, saw a bit of Cindy's testimony from yesterday. Anybody notice she kept her eyes downward...with the lids almost closed...the whole time she was answering questions?

Grief or guilt?

I look people in the eye when I talk to them....regardless of the situation...even when I'm really upset.

Most liars will avoid eye contact with those they are lying to, especially if they aren't good liars.

Debk, culture at times gets in the way of our preceptions.

I am reminded about a young Latino girl hauled into the principals office accused of something and the principal believed she was guilty because she kept her head down and would not look him in the eye.

Come to find out in the childs culture no child would look an adult in the eye under those curcumstances as it would denote disrespect and perhaps a challenge to authoriety.

Eye to eye contact in their culture was a now we fight message. A huge mark of disrespect for authoriety.

For our culture eye to eye contact can mean many things, telling the truth or telling a lie.   Shame or embaresement plays in here, Cindy may have been so full or regrets and she was afraid to do more then cry and keep her head down.

Casey on the other hand is an ignemia, she sits looking at everyone, no shame, no feeling of guilt, she is preparing herself for battle with everyone, holds her head up high and sends a message of "Bring it on big boys I have a surprise for you".

Now whats with the way George speaks to his daughter????   Has he all ways greated her with Hi Beautiful, has he all ways used the words SweetHeart when they spoke at home?????

Cindy uses endering terms to Casey, mothers do that, but I have to wonder if feeling she was an unfit mother if she used those terms at home.

Is this what Casey wanted to hear from her parents all along ,but only her child was showered with these words of indearment.????  She their daughter was now worthless and her child was placed before her, to be loved and cared for and she was to be discarded from their lives as trash ?????

Amazing the tapes of the jail house talks on how Casey kept the death of her child from everyone.

The trial is young, Casey and lawyers have some block busting things to bring up and I cannot wait for the defence.



 

[vesta111]

Watching the Casey Anthony trial, there is closed caption on what is said for those hard of hearing.

However as this case may make history in our courts and it is all so frustrating to see the lips move with no sound, the Judge side bars and the lawyers talking to the defendant .

You have the talent and the ability to lip read, you and others that can do so know more about what is going on in this one of a kind case.

Can you just now and then interject a comment of import of what is being said by the defendant or the judge to give us more knowledge into this ???

I do not ask you to take sides, one cannot do so as the defendant is innocent until pr oven guilty, but for us hanging on by our boot straps to this case could use a bit of a heads up on what the defence will spring on us.

The defence attorney looks like a shark ready to attack, what is he telling his client or her to him----only you would know.

 

[BlueStateSaint]

Why is this in BN??????

[Chris]

Merged with the current CA thread.

[Evil_Conservative]

Watching the Casey Anthony trial, there is closed caption on what is said for those hard of hearing.

However as this case may make history in our courts and it is all so frustrating to see the lips move with no sound, the Judge side bars and the lawyers talking to the defendant .

You have the talent and the ability to lip read, you and others that can do so know more about what is going on in this one of a kind case.

Can you just now and then interject a comment of import of what is being said by the defendant or the judge to give us more knowledge into this ???

I do not ask you to take sides, one cannot do so as the defendant is innocent until pr oven guilty, but for us hanging on by our boot straps to this case could use a bit of a heads up on what the defence will spring on us.

The defence attorney looks like a shark ready to attack, what is he telling his client or her to him----only you would know.

 

Casey is saying things like, "that's not true"and "that's a lie"  who else are you wondering about?

[vesta111]

Casey is saying things like, "that's not true"and "that's a lie"  who else are you wondering about?

I would like to know what her Lawyers are telling her, not so much what she is telling them.

The side bars with the judge, what he is allowing or not to come into testimony and curious about why some things are allowed in court and others not.

American justice at it's finest, the defendant is INNOCENT, it is the Prosecution that must prove her guilt.

We by standers may be baying for the blood of someone we may think is guilty, but by American courts tell us, they are innocent by law and deserve the best defence they can get.

This is America, we are not some 3'd world country that hangs people for what we think they may have done.   

This trial is still in the beginning stages, the defence has yet to speak, yet there are those that cannot want to hear the whole story, want to burn her at the stake without hearing all evidence. 

Hang in there there is much to come, she may or may not be guilty but this soon into the trial is no time to say  " Fry the Bitch"

[Revolution]

While this trial is still in it's very young stages, there are those that have formed their opinions, because they have kept up with this case from the beginning. One is me. The other is Jess. Of course she gets a fair triel, and is (as of now) innocent. This is after all, our way. HOWEVER, Looking at how Biaz is screwing the pooch thus far, I think Casey has little hope. Looking at all the evidence thus far, I don't think the prosecution will have much trouble convincing the jury. I think this woman is guilty as the sun is bright, and nothing is going to change my mind unless Biaz, and Co can pull some kind of miraculous, tye-dye rabbit out of his ass. So I have no problem saying "Let the bitch fry."

[delilahmused]

I think she's got narcissistic personality disorder as well. Not everyone with a personality disorder murders their children. Here in Oregon we had Diane Downs, she's worse than Casey Anthony by far. Farah Fawcett played her in a miniseries. It was an absolute knockout performance. There's also a book by Ann Rule called "Small Sacrifices". Chilling.

Cindie

[ChuckJ]

I haven't been keeping up with the trial, but it's my understanding that the defense is claiming that Caylee drowned in the pool. If so, have they suggested a reason why she would have duct tape on her? The last I checked duct tape has many uses but I can think of none that would involve a drowning victim.

[Ptarmigan]

I think she's got narcissistic personality disorder as well. Not everyone with a personality disorder murders their children. Here in Oregon we had Diane Downs, she's worse than Casey Anthony by far. Farah Fawcett played her in a miniseries. It was an absolute knockout performance. There's also a book by Ann Rule called "Small Sacrifices". Chilling.

Cindie

I read about Diane Downs. She is quite something. Downs also had histrionic personality disorder as well. She is an attention whore of the worst kind. Downs is a real psychopath. Casey Anthony reminds me of Downs. There are differences with them. Another disturbing case is Gertrude Baniszewski. She tortured Sylvia Likens in Indiana in 1965. Baniszewski was a religious nutcase and raging psychopath as well.

[vesta111]

I read about Diane Downs. She is quite something. Downs also had histrionic personality disorder as well. She is an attention whore of the worst kind. Downs is a real psychopath. Casey Anthony reminds me of Downs. There are differences with them. Another disturbing case is Gertrude Baniszewski. She tortured Sylvia Likens in Indiana in 1965. Baniszewski was a religious nutcase and raging psychopath as well.

What do you think of the Judge, do you think he is fair to both party's????

When the State first entered the jail house tapes, the defence roared no way, they had not had a chance to examine them.

The Judge just smiled, looked at the defence table and said "  I see 5 lawyers for the defendant, you have had 4 months to examine them, you have had your chance and did not take it, the tapes go into evidence."

 Now I wonder if Casey is found guilty, she can request another trial on the grounds she did not have adequate representation.

For some reason I keep an eye on Casey's lawyers, they are an interesting bunch.   The older lawyer is well seasoned calm and collected. He reminds me of the lawyers portrayed on TV, the ones that are use to winning a case.

Her main lawyer is the exact opposite, a bundle of nerves, at side bars he rocks back and forth kind of unnerving to watch, reminds me of one of my kids that would do the same as they tried to lie their way out of trouble.  That semi smirk he gets and his body posture are pure theater.

In a way he reminds me of Casey herself, a lie, cheat and steal to get what he wants and a I am smarter then anyone else. Has this lawyer been watching the movie Chicago one too many times, when does he begin to tap dance, is he just warming up with a slow soft shoe so far?????

I would think this trial will be shown to students in law school and those in school studying mental health for the next 25-50 years or more.    Oh yes I forgot, all agency's that teach their experts on how to testify for the State.

Only court case I can think of that comes close to being this interesting is to read the transcripts of the trial of the kidnappers of the Limbaugh Baby.   Lizzie Bordon just fell out of place for number one as to odd court cases.

 

[Evil_Conservative]

I would like to know what her Lawyers are telling her, not so much what she is telling them.

The side bars with the judge, what he is allowing or not to come into testimony and curious about why some things are allowed in court and others not.

American justice at it's finest, the defendant is INNOCENT, it is the Prosecution that must prove her guilt.

We by standers may be baying for the blood of someone we may think is guilty, but by American courts tell us, they are innocent by law and deserve the best defence they can get.

This is America, we are not some 3'd world country that hangs people for what we think they may have done.   

This trial is still in the beginning stages, the defence has yet to speak, yet there are those that cannot want to hear the whole story, want to burn her at the stake without hearing all evidence. 

Hang in there there is much to come, she may or may not be guilty but this soon into the trial is no time to say  " Fry the Bitch"

I could ask my friend who just graduated law school about the side bar stuff and why certain things are not allowed to be presented in court.  Just let me know if you want to know and I'll get back to you as soon as she tells me.