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DUmbasses discuss wealth, ignore facts
« on: May 18, 2011, 02:22:09 PM »
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DearAbby  (1000+ posts)       Wed May-18-11 02:57 PM
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Appalling Greed: Richest 400 Average $270.5 Million Incomes, Pay Almost Nothing in Taxes
 

In 2008, the IRS revealed last week, 400 Americans reported at least $110 million in income on their federal tax returns. These 400, in a year that ended with millions of Americans out of work and home, averaged $270.5 million each, the second-highest U.S. top 400 average income on record.

The IRS only started reporting top 400 income calculations in 2003, and the agency's official “top 400” totals just go back to 1992. But older IRS data reports do make top 400 estimates from some earlier years possible. And these earlier figures leave the latest IRS numbers in even starker relief.

In 1955, for instance, America's top 400 averaged — in 2008 dollars — $13.3 million. In other words, the top 400 in 2008 reported incomes that, after taking inflation into account, amounted to more than 20 times the incomes of America’s top 400 a half-century ago.

More:http://www.alternet.org/economy/150956/appalling_greed:... 

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kentuck  (1000+ posts)        Wed May-18-11 03:01 PM
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1. You can defend the Democrats if you want...
 But we need a political Party that will address this disparity and make it an issue in every election until these leeches pay their fair share of taxes. 

Leeches?

How much of that money is stuffed in a mattress vs. recirculated back into the economy ether as charity or investments?

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leftstreet  (1000+ posts)        Wed May-18-11 03:03 PM
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2. It's not greed, it's how capitalism works n/t

At least they're investing it.

What is your claim to their money?

Oh that's right: because you want it.

That's all the excuse you little goose-steppers need.

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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts)        Wed May-18-11 03:11 PM
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4. Oh come on, it all trickles down to the needy. They buy so much 
 with their money, they keep the economy robust and such.

"The main reason: Today’s rich are getting more and more of their income from capital gains — the profits from buying and selling stocks, bonds, and other assets — and these capital gains now face a substantially lower tax rate than they did two decades ago."

Gee, I wonder how they got to keep this hideous advantage in place for so long.

OK shit bird,

What happens when that money is pulled out of the economy and it no longer is invested in people trying to operate businesses?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1128036

$270 million x 400 = $108 billion

Federal deficit = $1,700 billion

Taxing them 100% would yield 6.3% of the deficit for 1 year and you could only do it for 1 year because then they would own nothing to generate their income.
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Re: DUmbasses discuss wealth, ignore facts
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2011, 04:17:19 PM »
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What happens when that money is pulled out of the economy and it no longer is invested in people trying to operate businesses?

Then they whale that corporations are mean for moving off-shore.  IMHO, it is not the taxes that push business, first out of liberal states, then to other countries are regulations and unions.
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Re: DUmbasses discuss wealth, ignore facts
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2011, 05:00:50 PM »
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kentuck  (1000+ posts)        Wed May-18-11 03:01 PM
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1. You can defend the Democrats if you want...
 But we need a political Party that will address this disparity and make it an issue in every election until these leeches pay their fair share of taxes. 

How are people who do something productive to get their money leeches?
The true leeches are people like Kentuck sitting there with hand held wide open, demanding we, the tax payers, fill it.

I may not lock my doors while sitting at a red light and a black man is near, but I sure as hell grab on tight to my wallet when any democrats are close by.

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Re: DUmbasses discuss wealth, ignore facts
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2011, 06:05:27 PM »
Oh my what a screw up whale s/b wail. My mistake.  Me are engineer no writer be me and certainly no proofreader.
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Re: DUmbasses discuss wealth, ignore facts
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2011, 09:22:04 AM »
Their view point is easy to understand but it is flawed.

They see the money in the economy as being a set finite number X. If those top 400 people went from 13 million in 1955 to 270 million in 2008 they think those people sucked 257 million from everyone else.
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Re: DUmbasses discuss wealth, ignore facts
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2011, 09:25:12 AM »
Their view point is easy to understand but it is flawed.

They see the money in the economy as being a set finite number X. If those top 400 people went from 13 million in 1955 to 270 million in 2008 they think those people sucked 257 million from everyone else.

I'm not going to take the time to look it up and figure it out BUT how much of 257 million would be due to simple inflation?
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Re: DUmbasses discuss wealth, ignore facts
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2011, 09:30:42 AM »
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What cost $13,000,000 in 1955 would cost $104,642,996.91 in 2010.

http://www.westegg.com/inflation/
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Re: DUmbasses discuss wealth, ignore facts
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2011, 10:58:15 AM »
I'm not going to take the time to look it up and figure it out BUT how much of 257 million would be due to simple inflation?

The third paragraph quoted from DumbAbby's post makes the comparison in same-year dollars, no need to dig for it.
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