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Re: No to Newt - too much baggage burdens ‘90s retread
« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2011, 07:34:36 AM »
Quote from: CatholicCrusader on May 17, 2011, 07:29:51 AM
I didn't say Morris was omnipotent, just that he is one of the few talking heads who has actually accomplished things in the White House. Am I in error with that statement?

He's excellent at foretelling the blatantly obvious.
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Re: No to Newt - too much baggage burdens ‘90s retread
« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2011, 07:40:19 AM »
Quote from: Rebel on May 17, 2011, 07:34:36 AM
He's excellent at foretelling the blatantly obvious.

Who isn't?

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Re: No to Newt - too much baggage burdens ‘90s retread
« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2011, 07:48:23 AM »
Quote from: CatholicCrusader on May 17, 2011, 07:40:19 AM
Who isn't?



Glad we agree he possesses no skill that many other people don't also possess.
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Re: No to Newt - too much baggage burdens ‘90s retread
« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2011, 07:51:02 AM »
Quote from: Rebel on May 17, 2011, 07:48:23 AM
Glad we agree he possesses no skill that many other people don't also possess.

I was talking of his record, not his skill, although his record does reflect on his skill.

Again: He is one of the few talking head commentators who has actually accomplished things in the White House. Am I in error with that statement? You guys keep on my butt, but you have not blatantly said I was in error, and that's because I am not.


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Re: No to Newt - too much baggage burdens ‘90s retread
« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2011, 07:55:00 AM »
Quote from: CatholicCrusader on May 17, 2011, 07:51:02 AM
I was talking of his record, not his skill, although his record does reflect on his skill.

Again: He is one of the few talking head commentators who has actually accomplished things in the White House. Am I in error with that statement? You guys keep on my butt, but you have not blatantly said I was in error, and that's because I am not.

He's a D.C. insider and this next election isn't going to be about D.C. insiders or establishment Republicans if I have anything to say about it. The Tea Party feels the same way. Last night on Hannity he trotted out the same, tired old names, Pawlenty, Huntsman, Daniels, etc. I turned it to TBS. I'm sick of these jackasses telling me who I "should" vote for. I''m 38 years old, with 8 years service in the United States Army. I'll decide who the hell I'm going to vote for. I don't need a pampered little fat fuq like Morris "advising" me on who to support.
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Re: No to Newt - too much baggage burdens ‘90s retread
« Reply #30 on: May 17, 2011, 07:55:44 AM »
BTW, seems you'd fit in well inside the beltway. We out here in flyover country don't think the same.
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Re: No to Newt - too much baggage burdens ‘90s retread
« Reply #31 on: May 17, 2011, 07:59:57 AM »
Quote from: Rebel on May 17, 2011, 07:55:44 AM
BTW, seems you'd fit in well inside the beltway. We out here in flyover country don't think the same.

So you think that I, a pro-life, pro-traditional marriage, and above all pro-Catholic Church/Pro-Pope person would fit well inside the beltway? Only if the belt were wrapped around the Vatican! LOL
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Re: No to Newt - too much baggage burdens ‘90s retread
« Reply #32 on: May 17, 2011, 08:06:54 AM »
Quote from: Rebel on May 17, 2011, 07:55:44 AM
BTW, seems you'd fit in well inside the beltway. We out here in flyover country don't think the same.
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So you think that I, a pro-life, pro-traditional marriage, and above all pro-Catholic Church/Pro-Pope person would fit well inside the beltway? Only if the belt were wrapped around the Vatican! LOL

Think about what I have been saying and what you have been arguing against: So far, you have thrown the most accomplished business person in the bunch and the brightest debater in the bunch under the bus while I have defended them, and you have promoted a candidate who hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell of winning despite the fact he is a good guy.

WTF? Like I said, you can fly the flag of purity all the way until you go over the cliff with it. We don't need that, we need Obama out. What good does it do to say, "Well, we may have lost to Obama but I stayed true to conservative purity." Your conservative purity plus a dollar will get you a cup of coffee if Obama is still in the White House.

Or do you really think Herman Cain will get nominated and beat Obama? And I don't mean is it theoretically possible, I mean do you really think it will happen? Because if you don't think it really WILL happen, then what the heck are you arguing about?
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Re: No to Newt - too much baggage burdens ‘90s retread
« Reply #33 on: May 17, 2011, 08:08:53 AM »
Quote from: Rebel on May 17, 2011, 07:55:44 AM
BTW, seems you'd fit in well inside the beltway. We out here in flyover country don't think the same.

I noticed that too Rebel. The catholic issue aside, I think you hit the nail on the head.
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Re: No to Newt - too much baggage burdens ‘90s retread
« Reply #34 on: May 17, 2011, 08:12:53 AM »
Quote from: Janice on May 17, 2011, 08:08:53 AM
I noticed that too Rebel. The catholic issue aside, I think you hit the nail on the head.

Then you have no clue what I am about.

I was defending Trump in the Trump thread. Is that an "inside the beltway" position too?
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Re: No to Newt - too much baggage burdens ‘90s retread
« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2011, 08:15:29 AM »
Quote from: CatholicCrusader on May 17, 2011, 08:06:54 AM
Think about what I have been saying and what you have been arguing against: So far, you have thrown the most accomplished business person in the bunch and the brightest debater in the bunch under the bus while I have defended them, and you have promoted a candidate who hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell of winning despite the fact he is a good guy.

Most accomplished business person? Who? Again, unless you think personal wealth is the litmus test. I don't happen to feel the same way.

Brightest debater? Again, who? Newt? To say "brightest" you're saying he's better than ANY PERSON in the world. Isn't that subjective? Isn't it your own opinion? Or was there a competition that I missed?
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Re: No to Newt - too much baggage burdens ‘90s retread
« Reply #36 on: May 17, 2011, 08:16:04 AM »
Quote from: CatholicCrusader on May 17, 2011, 08:12:53 AM
Then you have no clue what I am about.

I was defending Trump in the Trump thread. Is that an "inside the beltway" position too?

Trump is no conservative.
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Re: No to Newt - too much baggage burdens ‘90s retread
« Reply #37 on: May 17, 2011, 08:18:54 AM »
Quote from: CatholicCrusader on May 17, 2011, 07:29:51 AM
I didn't say Morris was omnipotent, just that he is one of the few talking heads who has actually accomplished things in the White House. Am I in error with that statement?

Um, as a pundit, when has Morris been right?

Also, Newt got his a** handed to him by Clinton. Clinton snatched credit for all the '94 congress did, enough to earn him a second term.

Since then, Newt has been on the wrong side of many issues, in my opinion. Also, he has family/honor baggage that would make it impossible for me to vote for him unless the other choice was Obama.
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Re: No to Newt - too much baggage burdens ‘90s retread
« Reply #38 on: May 17, 2011, 08:21:49 AM »
Quote from: Splashdown on May 17, 2011, 08:18:54 AM

Since then, Newt has been on the wrong side of many issues, in my opinion. Also, he has family/honor baggage that would make it impossible for me to vote for him unless the other choice was Obama.

Buying into the global warming bullshit:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi6n_-wB154[/youtube]


Supporting an individual mandate for health insurance, which I find unconstitutional as HELL.
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Re: No to Newt - too much baggage burdens ‘90s retread
« Reply #39 on: May 17, 2011, 08:24:14 AM »
Quote from: Rebel on May 17, 2011, 07:55:44 AM
BTW, seems you'd fit in well inside the beltway. We out here in flyover country don't think the same.
Quote from: CatholicCrusader on May 17, 2011, 08:12:53 AM
........I was defending Trump in the Trump thread. Is that an "inside the beltway" position too?
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Trump is no conservative.

Can you quit dodging and weaving and stick to one thing at a time? You said I'd "fit in well inside the beltway." I said "I was defending Trump in the Trump thread. Is that an inside the beltway position too?"

Well, is it?

I also said "So you think that I, a pro-life, pro-traditional marriage, and above all pro-Catholic Church/Pro-Pope person would fit well inside the beltway?"

Well, do you? I notice you tend to avoid answering the questions that hoist you on your own petard
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Re: No to Newt - too much baggage burdens ‘90s retread
« Reply #40 on: May 17, 2011, 08:27:00 AM »
Quote from: Rebel on May 17, 2011, 08:21:49 AM
Buying into the global warming bullshit

So is assuming that he actually does. Newt was doing the politics game there. The only Bullshit is thinking that Newt would actual govern as if he really bought into global warming
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Re: No to Newt - too much baggage burdens ‘90s retread
« Reply #41 on: May 17, 2011, 08:28:26 AM »
Quote from: CatholicCrusader on May 17, 2011, 08:27:00 AM
So is assuming that he actually does. Newt was doing the politics game there. The only Bullshit is thinking that Newt would actual govern as if he really bought into global warming

No convictions. Great, another reason not to support that fat ****er.
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Re: No to Newt - too much baggage burdens ‘90s retread
« Reply #42 on: May 17, 2011, 08:29:33 AM »
Quote from: Splashdown on May 17, 2011, 08:18:54 AM
Um, as a pundit, when has Morris been right?

That wasn't my question. I said Morris is one of the few talking head commentators who has actually accomplished things in the White House. Am I in error with that statement?

Quote from: Splashdown on May 17, 2011, 08:18:54 AM
Also, Newt got his a** handed to him by Clinton. Clinton snatched credit for all the '94 congress did, enough to earn him a second term.

RIGHT! And Morris was working for Clinton at the time. Thank you for proving my point.
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Re: No to Newt - too much baggage burdens ‘90s retread
« Reply #43 on: May 17, 2011, 08:30:59 AM »
Quote from: CatholicCrusader on May 17, 2011, 08:24:14 AM
I also said "So you think that I, a pro-life, pro-traditional marriage, and above all pro-Catholic Church/Pro-Pope person would fit well inside the beltway?"

Well, do you? I notice you tend to avoid answering the questions that hoist you on your own petard

That's the second time you did that. You also did it in the intro thread.

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Those are not qualifications required to post here and it seems like you're stereotyping all of us. As for that type fitting well within the beltway, there are many insiders that hold those same beliefs.
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Re: No to Newt - too much baggage burdens ‘90s retread
« Reply #44 on: May 17, 2011, 08:31:59 AM »
Quote from: Rebel on May 17, 2011, 08:28:26 AM
No convictions. Great, another reason not to support that fat ****er.

Oh, so now you clown him for his weight. That's pretty petty, worthy of a Liberal. Is that how you get down in your "flyover states"?
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Re: No to Newt - too much baggage burdens ‘90s retread
« Reply #45 on: May 17, 2011, 08:35:55 AM »
How do you explain conservatism to a die hard 'moderate'?

You can lead a horse to water but, well.. you know the rest.

And the field of 'moderates' is bursting at the seams ...
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Re: No to Newt - too much baggage burdens ‘90s retread
« Reply #46 on: May 17, 2011, 08:40:42 AM »
Quote from: CatholicCrusader on May 17, 2011, 08:31:59 AM
Oh, so now you clown him for his weight. That's pretty petty, worthy of a Liberal. Is that how you get down in your "flyover states"?

I don't trash him because he's fat, I trash him because I don't like his flip-flopping ass. After I determined that, all other insults were still on the table.
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Re: No to Newt - too much baggage burdens ‘90s retread
« Reply #47 on: May 17, 2011, 08:41:46 AM »
Quote from: Rebel on May 17, 2011, 08:30:59 AM
That's the second time you did that. You also did it in the intro thread.
Those are not qualifications required to post here and it seems like you're stereotyping all of us. As for that type fitting well within the beltway, there are many insiders that hold those same beliefs.

Are you totally incapapble of staying on message? Can't you even stick to your own message?

Once more for the impaired: You said I was a good inside the beltway person. I replied, "So you think that I, a pro-life, pro-traditional marriage, and above all pro-Catholic Church/Pro-Pope person would fit well inside the beltway?"

Well, do you? What the frig does that Q & A have to do with qualifications for posting in the forum? Are ye high or something? And why stoop to a Democrat's level by clowing Newt for his weight? I'll bet you're no Mr. America yourself

You are like the guy in the Old West movie that keeps shooting at the floor and yelling "dance". You keep moving the goal post everytime I blast your questions out of the water.

Okay, you vote for your pizza guy Herman Cain, then you lose to Obama, and then you spend the next four years telling us how you were right even though Obama won. Because if you have your way thats exactly what gonna happen.
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Re: No to Newt - too much baggage burdens ‘90s retread
« Reply #48 on: May 17, 2011, 08:50:52 AM »
Quote from: CatholicCrusader on May 17, 2011, 08:41:46 AM

Are you totally incapapble of staying on message? Can't you even stick to your own message?

Of course, with people willing to carry on an intelligent conversation and not tell me who can and who cannot beat Obama. You seem to be the latter.

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Once more for the impaired: You said I was a good inside the beltway person. I replied, "So you think that I, a pro-life, pro-traditional marriage, and above all pro-Catholic Church/Pro-Pope person would fit well inside the beltway?"

Well, do you?

Yes I do. Many people in D.C. are pro-Pope/pro-Catholic/pro-traditional marriage.

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What the frig does that Q & A have to do with qualifications for posting in thje forum? Are ye high or something? And why stoop to e Democrat's leve; by clowing Newt for his weight? I'll bet you're no Mr. America yourself

It doesn't. There are no qualifications. I just think it's a dead giveaway for trolls who come here, register, and start with all the stereotypical indicators the left thinks about conservatives. This may not be you, just sayin'.


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You are like the guy in the Old West movie that keeps shooting at the floor and yelling "dance". You keep moving the goal post everytime I blast your questions out of the water.

Moving the goal post? First off, there is no "goal post", proverbial or otherwise, and secondly, I haven't changed my positions. You've gone from Trump, who is no conservative, Newt, who has baggage all over the f'n place and flip-flops his ass off, and now you're talking about the toe-sucker.

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Okay, you vote for you pizza guy Herman Cain, then you lose to Obama, and then you spend the next four years telling us how you were right even though Obama won. Because if you have your way thats exactly what gonna happen.

Nice of you to try to diminish his distinguished career by referring to him as a "pizza guy", the left does this a lot on my sports board. It also identifies a problem with you, you have absolutely NO f'n idea what you're talking about when it comes to Herman Cain and obviously have no desire to perform your own research into his candidacy. You're just sticking with what the media is spoon-feeding you.
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Re: No to Newt - too much baggage burdens ‘90s retread
« Reply #49 on: May 17, 2011, 08:52:55 AM »
Just out of curiosity: Do you think Paul Ryan is an "inside the beltway" person? After all, he is currently inside the beltway, having working lunches, negotiating, meeting with staffers from both sides, and all that good stuff. So is Paul Ryan is an inside the beltway person?
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