Whats Trumps Conservative Record?

[debk]

Someone(s) said that Trump is only out for himself, and I think that's part of what he's doing.

His TV show is successful, but I wonder how his other businesses have been doing the last couple of years? His casino business is probably down, just as others are around the country. His real estate has to have depreciated some, maybe not as much as most since it is primarily in NYC and space is limited, but it still has had to have decreased in value.

I don't think Trump's a Republican, or true Democrat...he's for Trump and only Trump.

What he is doing though...is making people - regardless of their political affilition or even lack of - pay attention. We have several threads on him here at CC, there are several at DU, he's all over the news being interviewed by everybody and their brother....and people are paying attention. Whether it's to see what new "fact" he has found, or to question Obama on his birth certificate or college records, the economy, US trade with and debt owed to China, healthcare, oil, the wars, whatever.....he's talking - questioning - about everything.

Is he correct in everything he says...apparently not...but it doesn't matter. If he is right, it's mentioned...if he's wrong, it's mentioned. If he's being an ass, it's mentioned. If he's being racist, it's mentioned. Whatever Trump says...it's mentioned somewhere - TV, print or on-line.


The point is....people - the voters - are paying attention. They are starting to ask questions. They are starting to look for answers themselves...not just listen to what Katie Couric, or Diane Sawyer, or Matt Lauer says. Considering how much the Left hates Fox...they seem to know a great deal about what's said there.  Even they are starting to question the economy.

I don't think he truly wants to be president either....he likes his life, and his standard of living and he - just like most of us - wants to keep it. Obama is taking anybody with anything downward - at the very least just with the cost of gasoline and food, and at most those who are losing their homes and their livelihoods - either by losing a small business or job loss due to economic pressures. Those with little to nothing, have not gotten their "just rewards" they thought they would get for supporting Obama, based on his campaign promises.

Trump hates Obama as a president, and wants to make sure that he does not get reelected. Whether you like Trump or not, he's making Obama and his merry band of idiots, nervous, because Trump is like a pit bull in that he doesn't quit applying pressure, and he has enough money that he's willing to spend to dig and dig deep. As it's his own money, unlike a "normal" political candidate who gets funding from PACs and private individuals, he doesn't have to explain where or who he is getting money from, nor does he have to explain where and how he's spending it.

Pure and simple, Trump is out to "get" Obama and prevent him from winning the 2012 presidential election. And he's doing it under the guise of running for president himself.

[namvet]

Someone(s) said that Trump is only out for himself, and I think that's part of what he's doing.

His TV show is successful, but I wonder how his other businesses have been doing the last couple of years? His casino business is probably down, just as others are around the country. His real estate has to have depreciated some, maybe not as much as most since it is primarily in NYC and space is limited, but it still has had to have decreased in value.

I don't think Trump's a Republican, or true Democrat...he's for Trump and only Trump.

What he is doing though...is making people - regardless of their political affilition or even lack of - pay attention. We have several threads on him here at CC, there are several at DU, he's all over the news being interviewed by everybody and their brother....and people are paying attention. Whether it's to see what new "fact" he has found, or to question Obama on his birth certificate or college records, the economy, US trade with and debt owed to China, healthcare, oil, the wars, whatever.....he's talking - questioning - about everything.

Is he correct in everything he says...apparently not...but it doesn't matter. If he is right, it's mentioned...if he's wrong, it's mentioned. If he's being an ass, it's mentioned. If he's being racist, it's mentioned. Whatever Trump says...it's mentioned somewhere - TV, print or on-line.


The point is....people - the voters - are paying attention. They are starting to ask questions. They are starting to look for answers themselves...not just listen to what Katie Couric, or Diane Sawyer, or Matt Lauer says. Considering how much the Left hates Fox...they seem to know a great deal about what's said there.  Even they are starting to question the economy.

I don't think he truly wants to be president either....he likes his life, and his standard of living and he - just like most of us - wants to keep it. Obama is taking anybody with anything downward - at the very least just with the cost of gasoline and food, and at most those who are losing their homes and their livelihoods - either by losing a small business or job loss due to economic pressures. Those with little to nothing, have not gotten their "just rewards" they thought they would get for supporting Obama, based on his campaign promises.

Trump hates Obama as a president, and wants to make sure that he does not get reelected. Whether you like Trump or not, he's making Obama and his merry band of idiots, nervous, because Trump is like a pit bull in that he doesn't quit applying pressure, and he has enough money that he's willing to spend to dig and dig deep. As it's his own money, unlike a "normal" political candidate who gets funding from PACs and private individuals, he doesn't have to explain where or who he is getting money from, nor does he have to explain where and how he's spending it.

Pure and simple, Trump is out to "get" Obama and prevent him from winning the 2012 presidential election. And he's doing it under the guise of running for president himself.

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[TVDOC]

Someone(s) said that Trump is only out for himself, and I think that's part of what he's doing.

His TV show is successful, but I wonder how his other businesses have been doing the last couple of years? His casino business is probably down, just as others are around the country. His real estate has to have depreciated some, maybe not as much as most since it is primarily in NYC and space is limited, but it still has had to have decreased in value.

I don't think Trump's a Republican, or true Democrat...he's for Trump and only Trump.

What he is doing though...is making people - regardless of their political affilition or even lack of - pay attention. We have several threads on him here at CC, there are several at DU, he's all over the news being interviewed by everybody and their brother....and people are paying attention. Whether it's to see what new "fact" he has found, or to question Obama on his birth certificate or college records, the economy, US trade with and debt owed to China, healthcare, oil, the wars, whatever.....he's talking - questioning - about everything.

Is he correct in everything he says...apparently not...but it doesn't matter. If he is right, it's mentioned...if he's wrong, it's mentioned. If he's being an ass, it's mentioned. If he's being racist, it's mentioned. Whatever Trump says...it's mentioned somewhere - TV, print or on-line.


The point is....people - the voters - are paying attention. They are starting to ask questions. They are starting to look for answers themselves...not just listen to what Katie Couric, or Diane Sawyer, or Matt Lauer says. Considering how much the Left hates Fox...they seem to know a great deal about what's said there.  Even they are starting to question the economy.

I don't think he truly wants to be president either....he likes his life, and his standard of living and he - just like most of us - wants to keep it. Obama is taking anybody with anything downward - at the very least just with the cost of gasoline and food, and at most those who are losing their homes and their livelihoods - either by losing a small business or job loss due to economic pressures. Those with little to nothing, have not gotten their "just rewards" they thought they would get for supporting Obama, based on his campaign promises.

Trump hates Obama as a president, and wants to make sure that he does not get reelected. Whether you like Trump or not, he's making Obama and his merry band of idiots, nervous, because Trump is like a pit bull in that he doesn't quit applying pressure, and he has enough money that he's willing to spend to dig and dig deep. As it's his own money, unlike a "normal" political candidate who gets funding from PACs and private individuals, he doesn't have to explain where or who he is getting money from, nor does he have to explain where and how he's spending it.

Pure and simple, Trump is out to "get" Obama and prevent him from winning the 2012 presidential election. And he's doing it under the guise of running for president himself.

I agree with practally everything you stated above Deb.......Trump is doing a great job of focusing public attention on Obama's weaknesses, and that is all very good.......

I still think that he'd make a crappy (and scary) president for the same reasons Obama is......just in different areas........

At the risk of repeating myself, I still think he won't run, but if by some fluke he ended up as the Republican candidate.....I'd sit this one out.  In a lot of ways he reminds me of Ron Paul.

Oh....and Gurn, do your own research........and on China, not only have I been there a few times, but my DIL's family escaped from there a few years back, and I'll take their view on what is going on in China as authoritative.

You like Trump....we got that, and since you seem to only post in one thread on this board for the most part, you appear not too different from the Ronbots we all know and despise.....only the wacko is different.

doc

[gurn]

Oh....and Gurn, do your own research........and on China, not only have I been there a few times, but my DIL's family escaped from there a few years back, and I'll take their view on what is going on in China as authoritative.

You like Trump....we got that, and since you seem to only post in one thread on this board for the most part, you appear not too different from the Ronbots we all know and despise.....only the wacko is different.

doc

I'm pretty careful with my research. You made at least one factual assertion that was false There was no 25% quota on Japanese autos in the 1970's. Case closed on that. It never happened, except in your memory perhaps.  

You stated a few other conclusions without offering any supporting evidence to back them up.
For example, you stated The only time tariffs work is in a dumping situation?

Where did that nostrum come from? Is it written on clay tablets somewhere?
Did it come down from Mt. Sinai?

If not - show the evidence for that assertion. I already offered Nixon's 1971 tariff as evidence to the contrary. It worked.

You argue China would not suffer more in a trade war than the US. That at least, was a more debatable position. I disagree with it and unlike yourself - I offer an example to support my position. The UK suffered less in the Great Depression than the US. Why? The US was a manufacturing powerhouse & the UK was not so dependent on it. The roles are roughly the same for China & the US today.  

Finally, it's odd you complain that you make money shorting the Dollar. Maybe instead of laughing
all the way to the bank, you are complaining all the way to the bank. As long as you're making money,
congratulations. I'm not sure what your complaint is.

Whether one has been to China or not is not entirely relevant.
But I have made several trips there in the last three years BTW.
And I have at least one more coming this year.

I don't like Trump so much. I have some worries about him. But he is the ONLY Republican
who understands what America faces in China.  

But hey, don't let me spoil the party babe. Party on!  


 
 

[Doc]

I'm pretty careful with my research. You made at least one factual assertion that was false There was no 25% quota on Japanese autos in the 1970's. Case closed on that. It never happened, except in your memory perhaps.  

 

Technically.......you are correct (they were import quotas, however having the same effect as a tariff), from wiki, but since I worked in the industry, I remember them......

American industry and labor prospered after World War II, but hard times set in after 1970. For the first time there was stiff competition from low-cost producers around the globe. Many rust belt industries faded or collapsed, especially the manufacture of steel, TV sets, shoes, toys, textiles and clothing. Toyota and Nissan threatened the giant domestic auto industry. In the late 1970s Detroit and the auto workers union combined to fight for protection. They obtained not high tariffs, but a voluntary restriction of imports from the Japanese government. Quotas were two-country diplomatic agreements that had the same protective effect as high tariffs, but did not invite retaliation from third countries. By limiting the number of Japanese automobiles that could be imported, quotas inadvertently helped Japanese companies push into larger, and more expensive market segments. The Japanese producers, limited by the number of cars they could export to America, opted to increase the value of their exports to maintain revenue growth. This action threatened the American producers' historical hold on the mid- and large-size car markets.[18]

And again, it didn't work out so well for the industry, nor would they have any different long-term repercussions if China were the target.

Finally, it's odd you complain that you make money shorting the Dollar. Maybe instead of laughing
all the way to the bank, you are complaining all the way to the bank. As long as you're making money,
congratulations. I'm not sure what your complaint is.

If you enhance your reading comprehension.....you won't see any complaining from me......I was simply asserting that your comment about "China keeping the Dollar artificially high".....is dead wrong.......and you don't have to have a degree from the London School of Economics to understand what is happening in the currency market.

doc

[gurn]

Technically.......you are correct (they were import quotas, however having the same effect as a tariff), from wiki, but since I worked in the industry, I remember them......

"Technically" I usually try to have my facts correct.

Now, do you have a cite about your quota?

No you don't, because there were no 25% import tariffs or quotas in the 1970's.
As has been the case here already, you do not have your facts straight.

It was under LBJ, in the 1960's LBJ placed a 25% tariff against light foreign trucks.
(It was aimed at the VW Bus). It was aimed at Germany only. But it applied to all imports.
It was in retaliation for German policies on the importation of US poultry.

It never happened in the 1970's. At least not on the planet I live on. '

And again, it didn't work out so well for the industry, nor would they have any different long-term repercussions if China were the target.

If you enhance your reading comprehension.....

It seems my reading comprehension is good enough to point out where you have your facts cock-eyed.
eh?

...you won't see any complaining from me......I was simply asserting that your comment about "China keeping the Dollar artificially high".....is dead wrong.......and you don't have to have a degree from the London School of Economics to understand what is happening ind the currency market.

doc

Well if China keeps its currency artificially LOW vs. the US Dollar, wouldn't that mean that the
US Dollar is artificially HIGH versus the RMB? One would follow the other - would it not?

http://economyincrisis.org/content/senators-called-geithner-address-china%E2%80%99s-currency-manipulation

http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/17/news/economy/china_currency_manipulation_legislation/index.htm

Here is how it works. It's not difficult to understand for most people.

The US Dollar is more valuable as nations hoard Dollars & US instruments.
Why? The demand is greater.

It becomes less valuable when owners hang on to less of it.
Why? Demand falls.

Demand & Supply -- Supply & Demand. This isn't "London School of Economics" stuff.  

China - by being the number one hoarder of Dollars -  has allowed the value of its own currency to
see almost no appreciation since 2008. It has done the same with the Yen. And in the case of the US Dollar,
this has had the effect of making US manufactured goods more expensive on world markets.

Merchantilism works. America became rich doing it. Maybe we should try it again.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/11/10/news/economy/what_is_currency_manipulation/index.htm

So what is currency manipulation? And why does it matter?

By selling its own currency and buying up foreign reserves like the U.S. dollar, China has essentially pegged the yuan's value to the dollar instead of allowing it to move freely in foreign exchange markets.

While the Chinese government agreed to loosen that chokehold in June, and allow the yuan more "flexibility" to appreciate, the currency hasn't appreciated much -- only about 2% since then.

What's so great about a cheaper currency?

A weak currency cheapens the price of a country's exports, making them more attractive to international buyers by undercutting competitors.

China's economy is primarily export-driven, so having a leg up on the international competition has allowed its economy to grow at staggering speed.

Its economy is on track for 10.5% growth this year, compared to measly 2.7% growth in the United States, and 4.8% for the world overall.

[namvet]

trump just announced he's gone

[CatholicCrusader]

What exactly does Trump stand for?

Success in business. In the regard he mops the floor with everyone else.

He keeps falling into the Birther trap.

Using the word "birther" is falling into the liberal propoganda trap.

Besides, I am still not satisfied that Obama was born in America. His grandma said he was born in Kenya, his brother said he was born in Kenya...   ...and in an age where illegal aliens make phony paperwork by the truckload, to think that Obama's minions wouldn't do the same for him is naive.

[DefiantSix]

Trump supposedly announced that he won't be running.

I seem to also recall him saying something about heading up getting the World Trade Center re-built a few years back, so I'll believe it come November of next year.

[Rebel]

Success in business. In the regard he mops the floor with everyone else.

Wrong. He's a shyster who's been bankrupt many, many times. If you mean he's been successful at making himself rich, you'd be correct. If that's your litmus test, I guess George Soros would make a great President. 

[CatholicCrusader]

Wrong. He's a shyster who's been bankrupt many, many times. If you mean he's been successful at making himself rich, you'd be correct. If that's your litmus test, I guess George Soros would make a great President. 

No, that is not my only litmus test, and I think you know that. But in a time of economic disaster, being a whiz at business is a damn good litmus test.

As for being a "shyster", all politicians are shysters, I don't give a damn what party they are from.

[Rebel]

No, that is not my only litmus test, and I think you know that. But in a time of economic disaster, being a whiz at business is a damn good litmus test.

As for being a "shyster", all politicians are shysters, I don't give a damn what party they are from.

I don't want a politician OR some pop icon who is prone to bankruptcy. I want a statesman who has a history of building up businesses and turning them into successes. I'm voting for Herman Cain. Trump has absolutely ZERO chance of winning the Republican nomination. I don't care how many leftist outlets try to pump him up as "the guy to beat". He's a ****ing joke.

[CatholicCrusader]

I don't want a politician OR some pop icon who is prone to bankruptcy. I want a statesman.......

Maybe you should move to Fantasyland. LOL

[gurn]

My litmus test is China.

Trump had it right. I don't know if any other candidates will pick up the message or not.

I hope so. To be honest, I sometimes wondered if Trump was nuts. He has a look in his eyes,
and the way he reacted to criticism at the Correspondents' Dinner made me wonder.

But he is right about China. That was good enough for me.
I think he is the one candidate who really had the right economic ideas for the US.

[CatholicCrusader]

My litmus test is China.
Trump had it right. I don't know if any other candidates will pick up the message or not......

Good point.  But I guess its moot now since he's out.

[gurn]

Good point.  But I guess its moot now since he's out.

He's got a policy book coming out. Any Republican who has the courage to pick the China issue up & run on it,
will get the nomination IMO.

If that happens, this will be a good thing.

[Rebel]

Maybe you should move to Fantasyland. LOL

Where's Trump at today? A f'n dropout. Now where's Cain sitting? Winning straw polls, winning Luntz's focus groups, selling out crowds at Tea Party events, etc., etc., etc.

Perhaps you should just open you're f'n eyes. Then again, if you don't know about Cain by now, you're obviously too obtuse to perform your own investigation into any of the potential frontrunners.

You go ahead and stick with a guy that said he's not going to run. Mkay pumpkin? I'll stick to someone who is.