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I'm a big supporter of Socialism. However, I don't see how
« on: April 23, 2011, 06:15:57 PM »
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MineralMan  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Apr-23-11 04:11 PM
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I'm a big supporter of Socialism. However, I don't see how
   
Edited on Sat Apr-23-11 04:44 PM by MineralMan
it could be implemented in the United States. It seems to me that it would require a rewriting of the Constitution, and that seems pretty much impossible.

Can we discuss ideas about whether or not the US could be turned into a Socialist country? I don't think we've had that discussion here. I'm a Socialist by philosophy. I just can't see a way to get to it in this country.

Note: This is not a silent thread. Make as much noise as you like.

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Technically he is right. If our govt actually followed the Constitution then socialism would be a no go.
We all know however that the left will disregard the Constitution and tell us to shut up. In fact when Pelosi was asked if Obamacare was Consitutional she mocked the guy.

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cali  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Apr-23-11 04:13 PM
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2. I don't think you'd have to rewrite the constitution for the U.S. to go in a more
   
socialistic direction and I don't see why it couldn't be implemented if that's the will of the people.

Shows how much you know about the Constitution. There is not a disclaimer at the bottom saying, can be undone by the will of the people.
Yes you could amend the Constitution, but our founders in their wisdom made that a fairly difficult process.

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MineralMan  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Apr-23-11 04:18 PM
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7. I think you would. In our Constitution, the powers of government
   
are seriously restricted. I don't see how you could manage to control the means of production under the current constitution.

Socialism would require some major changes, I believe. While it might be possible for the legislature to pass some laws that would make us more socialistic, I can't see that happening, given the current political divisions. That's the same reason the Constitution can't get changed, really.

The "will of the people" is the problem. I can't imagine that a majority would be in favor of switching to Socialism, unfortunately.
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I could of sworn that socialist were a huge majority in this country, that's what I hear at DU anyway.  :lmao:
So this DUmmy admits that socialism will have to be forced upon the majority.

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3. We are never going to become a pure socialist country
   
and I'm not sure we ever should. I don't think any one pure system can work. What we need to do though is to nationalize important industries, such as energy, internet, so on so on.

Great idea that way they can control us easier.
If the federal govt owns the power plants they can ration what we use, in order to save the polar bears from farting cows.
They can ration oil, and they can tell us what we can say and do online.
No thanks

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6. Nowhere in the Constitution
   
(I beleive) does it say anything about an economic policy or system. If we agree capitalism is a financial system, unrelated to governmental issues, which it is, then we can say the same thing about socialism. The Constitution doesn't say the United States must be operated using capitalism.
   

It may not ban socialism in direct words, however the freedoms we are guaranteed is what helps keep socialism away.

It must be socialism day at the DUmp.
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Re: I'm a big supporter of Socialism. However, I don't see how
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2011, 08:01:41 PM »
Its always socialism day at the DUmp - they are just becoming more and more vocal about it, as Obama has not given them the ponies he promised.. 
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Re: I'm a big supporter of Socialism. However, I don't see how
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2011, 08:46:02 PM »
Ever notice how the people that are all in on socialism are the ones that can't do shit, have never done shit and won't do shit (dumb, unmotivated, and lazy)?

Yeah, about that.
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Re: I'm a big supporter of Socialism. However, I don't see how
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2011, 05:41:28 AM »
Mt parents' generation would skin them alive and run them out of town for the mere suggestion. 

When the hell did the word socialism become so watered down and accepted that you have morons freely pining for it on an internet forum? 

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Re: I'm a big supporter of Socialism. However, I don't see how
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2011, 06:08:13 AM »
Quote from: formerlurker on April 24, 2011, 05:41:28 AM
Mt parents' generation would skin them alive and run them out of town for the mere suggestion. 

When the hell did the word socialism become so watered down and accepted that you have morons freely pining for it on an internet forum? 



When the socialists infiltrated the education system.
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Re: I'm a big supporter of Socialism. However, I don't see how
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2011, 07:42:31 AM »
Quote from: formerlurker on April 24, 2011, 05:41:28 AM
Mt parents' generation would skin them alive and run them out of town for the mere suggestion. 

When the hell did the word socialism become so watered down and accepted that you have morons freely pining for it on an internet forum? 



One has to remember that the internet allows people with uncommon beliefs to find each other and join forces. -Here is an example, made up from assumed numbers. If the United States has a population of 350 million, and a quarter of a percent (.25%) of people are commies, that means there are 875 thousand of them in the USA. Skin's Island has only about 5 thousand active participants, and if one assumes they are all commies who call themselves Democrats, then .6% of the .25% of the population managed to find each other because of the internet.

Again, none of these numbers are researched or accurate = This was just a quick mathematical experiment to point out how easy it is for The Island of Misfit Toys to happen because of the WWW. 
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