What I believe: Transhumanist Socialism

[Freeper]

Methinks Taverner is throwing his hat in the ring for DOY 2011.

Taverner  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Apr-23-11 02:17 PM
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What I believe: Transhumanist Socialism
   
- I believe that all of us does better work than one of us
- I believe that it is our humanist duty, nay, REQUIREMENT to help the least of us
- I believe that there is no greater threat to our species than the consequences of unbridled capitalism
- I believe that to kill off our own species in the quest for greater profits, is an unspeakable evil
- I believe that there is no greater quest than the elimination of suffering
- I believe that the greatest obstacle to conquering things is our own mortality
- I believe that mortality is an evil within itself and must be conquered in order to achieve our greatest good
- I believe that privatism is a parasite which feeds off greed and delivers a toxic drug of addictive nature to our species
- I believe that selfishness is not a virtue, but a manifestation of said parasite


OK?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x947208

Typical socialist rant what caught my eye was this gem,

Taverner  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Apr-23-11 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #2
5. Regular Socialism is OK
   
But I really want to hammer the post-human part of it

As a society, we need a direction, and soon we will be handling technology that can either save us or kill us

I wouldn't be surprised if our kids will get to see the reverse of the aging process. More and more diseases cured, more and more ways to survive previously unsurvivable circumstances.

We are already in a post-human state. Ask an anthropologist the difference between 'homo sapiens' and 'homo sapiens sapiens'

We are the latter - and the difference is in the protein diet. Our species lived not unlike animals for most of our history. The past 8K years of civilization has changed us, and it all stems from the diet. Take a human from 15K years ago and compare them to humans today. You'd be seeing night and day, even though the anatomy is almost the same.

Brain size makes us post-human and our technology pushes us further.
   

So basically socialism will reverse aging.

Taverner  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Apr-23-11 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #32
35. You and I like being just human, but most people won't
   
Especially when they can buy Minolta Eyes so they have the vision of an Eagle, or Block and Decker arms, that can crush rocks...

This is going to happen whether we have Capitalism or not

People will always want bigger, better, faster. The problem is that we're never satisfied. It's built into our DNA. Because during most of our species' history, that has been the recipe for survival. Shape a stick into something with a small point, so you can kill more food.

Besides, we are already 'post-human'

Ask an Anthropologist the difference between 'Homo Sapiens' and 'Homo Sapiens Sapiens'

We're the latter

The extra 'Sapiens' is there not for some anatomical difference, but rather our diet

Our bodies found a way to turn more protein into bigger brains

As a result, the folks who did not have that adaptation died off, while the smarter HS was able to kill more in a lean situation than the others

Many argue that our initial strength is what is going to kill us off in the end

But I don't think so - sure, we may have some die-offs here and there, but in the end, we will make it, because someone will find a way to survive. And if we survived the Lake Toba Extinction, we can survive anything. That doesn't mean it will be pleasant, but it means that we will survive.

Anyway - we will find ways to go Transhuman. It's not a matter of if, but when. And we should have plans for how to deal with that before we have the technology, otherwise it will be like Nuclear Power. Where anyone can learn the steps, but they're usually the folks who SHOULDN'T have the technology.
   

Taverner  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Apr-23-11 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #3
6. This is why we need socialism
   
Capitalist Trans-Humanism will kill us all.

Socialism can at least steer us in a humanist direction

The technology is coming, nothing stopping it.

Taverner  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Apr-23-11 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #12
15. Transhumanism will come
   
Whether we want it or not is not relevant

What is relevant is what we do with it

Besides, imagine if you could regrow an amputated limb?

Reverse the aging process?

Cure cancer, or better yet, prevent it from happening in the first place?

Transhumainsm will happen. Nothing short of a mass extinction of humans will stop it.

Taverner  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Apr-23-11 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #17
19. I disagree...
   
Imagine if Stephen Hawking had another 100 years to do further research

Imagine if he could get out of his wheelchair and move about the Large Hadron Collider?

We have a right to life (having been already born)

So once you clear the womb then all of a sudden you have rights.

Taverner  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Apr-23-11 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. I would argue we all should have the right to choose when we die
   
Edited on Sat Apr-23-11 04:15 PM by Taverner
Could the planet sustain us all? Not today.

But with that kind of technology comes other technologies - such as terraforming, synthetic proteins, nanotechnology - technologies that will allow us to support the great numbers of people

It is ironic, because I also feel that the biggest threat we face today is out of control population growth

   

This guy is seriously crazy.

[BattleHymn]

- I believe that all of us does better work than one of us
- I believe that it is our humanist duty, nay, REQUIREMENT to help the least of us
- I believe that there is no greater threat to our species than the consequences of unbridled capitalism
- I believe that to kill off our own species in the quest for greater profits, is an unspeakable evil
- I believe that there is no greater quest than the elimination of suffering
- I believe that the greatest obstacle to conquering things is our own mortality
- I believe that mortality is an evil within itself and must be conquered in order to achieve our greatest good
- I believe that privatism is a parasite which feeds off greed and delivers a toxic drug of addictive nature to our species
- I believe that selfishness is not a virtue, but a manifestation of said parasite

Paging Raphael Hythlodeaus...  Raphael Hythlodeaus to Skin's Island, please...

[jukin]

I believe that socialism/fascism/communism/progressivism/liberalism has never worked and will never work. The only benefit of that philosophy is to make everyone but a very select few miserable.....and many dead.

[catsmtrods]

  WOW, I bet you can see the crazy in his face!

[Carl]

When one of them volunteers to pick up garbage in the "hood" or some other nasty,disgusting job as their return to the society they want giving freebies I will listen.
Until then piss off Taverner and your ilk,you are simply selfish,lazy,greedy leeches.

[Mr Mannn]

What is amazing here is he thinks socialism will pay for cool cybernetic implants.
If socialism can't even pay for medical care, why should it pay for transhuman implants?

Once again it is demonstrated that the DUmp is powered by utter fantasy and not reality.

[Freeper]

What is amazing here is he thinks socialism will pay for cool cybernetic implants.
If socialism can't even pay for medical care, why should it pay for transhuman implants?

Once again it is demonstrated that the DUmp is powered by utter fantasy and not reality.

There is more fantasy at the DUmp than there is in Penthouse Forum.

[Karin]

Taverner likes to do lots and lots of drugs.  It's on display here. 

[GOBUCKS]

Taverner likes to do lots and lots of drugs.  It's on display here.

DUmmy Taverner is a foot soldier in the Rainbow Coalition.
The "rainbow" part refers to all the different colors they can turn drug test strips.
One of those colors recently cost DUmmy Taverner his job, according to his DUmp whining.

[true_blood]

Taverner  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Apr-23-11 02:17 PM
Original message
What I believe: Transhumanist Socialism
   
- I believe that all of us does better work than one of us
- I believe that it is our humanist duty, nay, REQUIREMENT to help the least of us
- I believe that there is no greater threat to our species than the consequences of unbridled capitalism
- I believe that to kill off our own species in the quest for greater profits, is an unspeakable evil
- I believe that there is no greater quest than the elimination of suffering
- I believe that the greatest obstacle to conquering things is our own mortality
- I believe that mortality is an evil within itself and must be conquered in order to achieve our greatest good
- I believe that privatism is a parasite which feeds off greed and delivers a toxic drug of addictive nature to our species
- I believe that selfishness is not a virtue, but a manifestation of said parasite


OK?

I'll just put this right here for you Taverner;