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primitives discuss inflated gasoline, food, prices
« on: April 22, 2011, 06:07:27 PM »
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kentuck  (1000+ posts)        Fri Apr-22-11 06:55 PM
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Many Americans cannot afford both $5 per gallon gas and food on the table..

If gasoline goes to $5 per gallon, many of them will have to take food off the table. They are not able to trade their old beaters in for more economical cars. That is not real. They are living from paycheck to paycheck and these oil companies are putting a big crimp in their lifestyles.

Nothing hurts these millions of people more than skyrocketing prices of gasoline. If there are no shortages and these prices are bid up on the futures alone, this is a cruel game to play on these folks.

You know, the primitives promised us peace and prosperity once the Big Zero took the helm.

It looks as if the ship's been run aground.

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Tansy_Gold  (1000+ posts)        Fri Apr-22-11 06:57 PM
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1. the speculators don't care.

They're getting theirs and THEY. DON'T. CARE.

they do not care about 'the economy.'
they do not care about 'America.'
they sure as ****ing hell do not give a fat rat's ass about 'people.'

When you finally understand that they really and truly do not give a shit, you will worry a whole lot less about propping up the system that only benefits them

Perhaps the pansy primitive's talking about George Soros?

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Lindsay  (1000+ posts)      Fri Apr-22-11 06:59 PM
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2. And "they" includes a great many members of the US government.

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bbinacan  (1000+ posts)      Fri Apr-22-11 07:02 PM
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4. Speculators?

You do realize there are 2 sides to a transaction. One will win and one will lose. The way you make it sound, all I have to do is buy contracts or options on contracts and I'll be rich. Good ****ING GRIEF!

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RandomThoughts  (1000+ posts)        Fri Apr-22-11 07:03 PM
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5. Bingo

yea, they don't care if the beer and travel money that should arrive does or does not. I sorta get that feeling also.

They have broken empathy with many people.

A few ways they do that.

There not one of us.

They are a different 'religion'

Then are a different 'race'

They are not aliens (some actually think that)

They are not part of the better genetic lines

Then are not smart enough

I hear the comment, why should I care about (insert comment on some other group), more then anything else. How do you respond to that. gut reaction, not care what is done to those like that.

And there you have it, the spreading of no empathy.

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3. As long as I walk everywhere, maybe I can eat!

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alsame  (1000+ posts)      Fri Apr-22-11 07:04 PM
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6. Food prices are skyrocketing too. Double whammy.

You voted for the Big Zero.  That's your hope and change.
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Re: primitives discuss inflated gasoline, food, prices
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2011, 06:19:33 PM »
Once the government commission is done investigating high gas prices, they need to investigate the high price of Cheeto's .  If speculation was the sole cause of high prices, they'd stay high.  They don't , though because the speculators only do it when world conditions look favorable for there being shortages of oil.  Hmm, what could be fueling the speculators?  Tensions in the Middle East, which I might add, that DUmmies have been cheering on, are good for the speculators.  A president that is determined to cripple domestic oil, gas and coal production is a big factor , too.  Looks like much of the blame for speculation falls right at the Dman Stooooopid DUmmies feet.

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Re: primitives discuss inflated gasoline, food, prices
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2011, 06:32:26 PM »
"All we had to eat was cornbread and turnip greens."

I heard that from a few folks that weren't lucky enough to live on a farm during the great depression. Obama is making sure they won't have the cornbread this time around. The government elites will be using it to fuel their vacation transportation. The DUmmies can eat grass like the North Koreans.
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Re: primitives discuss inflated gasoline, food, prices
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2011, 06:46:16 PM »
And to think you goons mocked Beck, and called him a nutcase when he said all this was coming.
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Re: primitives discuss inflated gasoline, food, prices
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2011, 03:43:18 PM »
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Many Americans cannot afford both $5 per gallon gas and food on the table..
Tell the anti-American in the white mosque this. When was the last time he commented on the high gas/food prices??

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Re: primitives discuss inflated gasoline, food, prices
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2011, 04:44:10 PM »
You know that somehow, someway this is Bush's fault.
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Re: primitives discuss inflated gasoline, food, prices
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2011, 05:06:17 PM »
Tell the anti-American in the white mosque this. When was the last time he commented on the high gas/food prices??

Oh haven't you heard, Obama is going to save the day.
First of all he tells us to get tune ups and inflate our tires.
That doesn't work then just trade your ride in on a Chevy Volt.
Still not working, well we have a task force making sure your local station isn't gouging you.
Gas prices should be falling any day now.  :stoner:


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Re: primitives discuss inflated gasoline, food, prices
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2011, 08:43:08 AM »
Tell the anti-American in the white mosque this. When was the last time he commented on the high gas/food prices??

That was back in 2008, when Senator Obama was campaigning.

I believe he said, and I quote:  "It's all Bush's Faulttm"
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Re: primitives discuss inflated gasoline, food, prices
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2011, 09:09:23 AM »
"bid up on futures alone" - these primitives really don't understand what they are talking about when it comes to futures trading, do they ?  They just run in circles, like their hair is on fire when they hear the term 'market speculation'

Here is futures trading & market speculation DUmbed down for you lurkers.

Traders agree to buy/sell stocks or commodities (interest in raw material production) at a particular time for a particular price. They bet with their own and/or investors money that the value of a product is going to either go up or down sometime in the future. when the future arrives they buy at the agreed price - sometimes they win, and other times they lose.

The last time a majority of energy speculators lost was during the Gas runup during the Bush administration - many speculated the value of oil would drop, when it continued to rise. -- thats right -- speculators put DOWNWARD pressure on oil futures-unlike the current myth that you primitives, and sadly most Americans believe.

BTW, pressure is all speculation can apply to a market, they can either slow or accelerate a price on its way to the destination it was heading for already. Speculators cannot CHANGE futures markets - So, what can ?

The only real force in the market is supply and demand. Supply Goes up, demand goes down-as does price. The reverse is also true, supply goes down, demand and price increases. - So, why has oil risen ? Even though there is conflict in the middle east, it hasn't changed oil supplies all that much - so what has ?

Lets get to the real source of the current problem...Obama's economic policies.

The Obama administration has printed a tremendous amount of currency, as they believe that flooding the market with dollars will float recovery, stimulate hiring etc. HOWEVER, the USA is part of a larger international economy, and again, it goes back to supply and demand - there is a much larger supply of US currency out there now, making it worth less than it used to be. So, a US dollar is now worth less than a dollar to the international community- meaning it takes more dollars to buy the same amount of stuff from overseas.

Its kinda like the cliche "it's not you, it's me" - in this case, we have changed, not the oil.

BTW, this is also why the price of gold and silver has skyrocketed. There is a finite amount of metal on the planet, but the Obama administration seems to think that it can print an infinite amount of dollars to buy it. - Fun Fact ! Because of this economic policy, the US Dollar is worth less internationally than when it was allowed to float in the 70's. (meaning no longer backed by gold/silver)

Anyway, people have to spend more of their dollars on fuel, meaning they need to make up the difference someplace - either through cutbacks, or by spreading the additional expense to their consumers. And to add insult to injury, this devaluing has stimulated businesses to move out of the US entirely, and to export their goods to us. They can get more US dollars, then tuck them away for when the US currency rights itself (hopefully) making all those extra dollars worth more in the future...

...yes, this is also 'speculation' - thanks to Obama...  

And  there you have it -- supply and demand -- but not just oil -- US dollars are affected by it too. Obama has overproduced greenbacks, and now its coming round to bite him (and us all) in our collective asses.

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Re: primitives discuss inflated gasoline, food, prices
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2011, 09:49:07 AM »
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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2011, 11:17:20 AM »
Miskie,

very good attempt at assisting the DUmbats to understand the real world. I would also add that there is always the human part of the equation, expectations. The emotional side that anticipates what will happen in the future. If the USA came out and said we are opening up our resources to development, we would see a change in expectations and the futures would come down. I think the exit doors couldn't be big enough and another 2008 type pop would happen to the oil bubble. Because we have an aggressive communist in the white mosque the expectations are that there will be no new resources. In fact, the expectation is that what resources we do have will be shrinking. The Bush EO allowing exploration of shore had (IMHO) as large a factor of the bubble busting as did the economic crisis. Of course, the USA was not borrowing/printing 43% of it's budget then. The shit will really hit the fan when the Saudis (whom the child POTUS is pissing off daily) decide to get off the petro-dollar.
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Re: primitives discuss inflated gasoline, food, prices
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2011, 11:43:48 AM »
Stop blaming the speculators! UGH! :argh:
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« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2011, 11:50:31 AM »
Lets get to the real source of the current problem...Obama's economic policies.

The Obama administration has printed a tremendous amount of currency, as they believe that flooding the market with dollars will float recovery, stimulate hiring etc. HOWEVER, the USA is part of a larger international economy, and again, it goes back to supply and demand - there is a much larger supply of US currency out there now, making it worth less than it used to be. So, a US dollar is now worth less than a dollar to the international community- meaning it takes more dollars to buy the same amount of stuff from overseas.

Its kinda like the cliche "it's not you, it's me" - in this case, we have changed, not the oil.

BTW, this is also why the price of gold and silver has skyrocketed. There is a finite amount of metal on the planet, but the Obama administration seems to think that it can print an infinite amount of dollars to buy it. - Fun Fact ! Because of this economic policy, the US Dollar is worth less internationally than when it was allowed to float in the 70's. (meaning no longer backed by gold/silver)

Anyway, people have to spend more of their dollars on fuel, meaning they need to make up the difference someplace - either through cutbacks, or by spreading the additional expense to their consumers. And to add insult to injury, this devaluing has stimulated businesses to move out of the US entirely, and to export their goods to us. They can get more US dollars, then tuck them away for when the US currency rights itself (hopefully) making all those extra dollars worth more in the future...

...yes, this is also 'speculation' - thanks to Obama...  

And  there you have it -- supply and demand -- but not just oil -- US dollars are affected by it too. Obama has overproduced greenbacks, and now its coming round to bite him (and us all) in our collective asses.

Thank You! :clap:

Larry Kudlow and his guests were talking about this yesterday, it's not the SPECULATORS but the value of the dollar falling that is contributing to high gas prices.
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Re: primitives discuss inflated gasoline, food, prices
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2011, 05:36:55 PM »
Miskie,

very good attempt at assisting the DUmbats to understand the real world. I would also add that there is always the human part of the equation, expectations. The emotional side that anticipates what will happen in the future. If the USA came out and said we are opening up our resources to development, we would see a change in expectations and the futures would come down. I think the exit doors couldn't be big enough and another 2008 type pop would happen to the oil bubble. Because we have an aggressive communist in the white mosque the expectations are that there will be no new resources. In fact, the expectation is that what resources we do have will be shrinking. The Bush EO allowing exploration of shore had (IMHO) as large a factor of the bubble busting as did the economic crisis. Of course, the USA was not borrowing/printing 43% of it's budget then. The shit will really hit the fan when the Saudis (whom the child POTUS is pissing off daily) decide to get off the petro-dollar.

Exactly -- Supply and Demand - The Obama Administration has done everything in its power to DECREASE supply, which increases demand, as well as cost. Speculators would put downward pressure on prices if the USA is seen to be a stable source of energy, but under Obama...well.. When the POTUS makes it clear that he intends to kill off some domestic energy markets more than once, it make it clear that demand is going to outpace supply.

Irony Alert:  If speculators did drive the cost of oil (which they don't) the DEMOCRATS would be the ones responsible for them betting against oil availability... Not the E-Vile Rethuglikkan Teabaggers....

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Re: primitives discuss inflated gasoline, food, prices
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2011, 07:06:13 PM »
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1. the speculators don't care.

They're getting theirs and THEY. DON'T. CARE.

they do not care about 'the economy.'
they do not care about 'America.'
they sure as ****ing hell do not give a fat rat's ass about 'people.'

When you finally understand that they really and truly do not give a shit, you will worry a whole lot less about propping up the system that only benefits them

When will the DUmmies realize that many D- members of the politiboro would rather have the entitlement class die as they are a drain on the system. They can't state this publicly though. They figured out long ago that you don't have to be alive to vote them into office.
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Re: primitives discuss inflated gasoline, food, prices
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2011, 09:01:41 PM »
I'm afraid the Oministration is headed for a particularly ugly reality check, the algorithms by which they (Allegedly) make their monetary and fiscal decisions do not recognize "Inflation" as existing unless there is wage inflation, which given the labor glut from unemployment hovering at 9% is never going to happen.  In the meantime gas is headed for not just $5 a gallon, but many are saying $6 a gallon, by Memorial Day.  Given the fact that fuel cost is an input to everything else, the paradigm on which our monetary policy is based is headed straight for a very large iceberg.  If gas really does jump another buck over the next five weeks, the monetary easing policy for dealing with excessive debt, which has put the dollar in a long slide, is going to be the policy equivalent of throwing gas on a fire.  There is a very real chance that we are on the verge of Carter-style stagflation, with a team whose policy 'Solutions' will only exacerbate the problem.
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Re: primitives discuss inflated gasoline, food, prices
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2011, 07:29:06 AM »
Dear DUmbasses: Printing and infusing more dollars into the US Economy not once, but twice has caused this (QE1, QE2). When you have too many dollars chasing too few goods, inflation ensues. What happens when QE2 ends? We'll either crash, and crash hard, or the Idiot in Chief will initiate QE3, devaluing the dollar even more.

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Re: primitives discuss inflated gasoline, food, prices
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2011, 09:25:50 AM »
You dumb f'ers did this with your vote. We should be lining all you idiots up and horsewhipping the hell out of you.

Ummm . . . some of them might actually enjoy that. :o
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Re: primitives discuss inflated gasoline, food, prices
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2011, 08:11:24 PM »
Oh haven't you heard, Obama is going to save the day.
First of all he tells us to get tune ups and inflate our tires.
That doesn't work then just trade your ride in on a Chevy Volt.
Still not working, well we have a task force making sure your local station isn't gouging you.
Gas prices should be falling any day now.  :stoner:
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