DUmmie tavener and others defend kiddie porn

[thundley4]

McCamy Taylor   (1000+ posts)             Wed Apr-20-11 10:15 PM
Original message
Read Comics, Go to Jail.   
   
Edited on Wed Apr-20-11 10:25 PM by McCamy Taylor
In the USA, foreign corporations have a Constitutionally protected right to spend as much money as they want during elections----this, according to the SCOTUS in its now infamous 2010 ruling in Citizens United v. FEC. However, our same government has decreed that individuals do not have the right to free expression when they doodle. If you draw a picture of a someone without pubic hair----i.e. someone who might be a child---- engaged in sex for your own amusement with no intent to share it with anyone else, you had better erase it immediately and then pluck out your own eyes. Otherwise, the Obama DOJ will come knocking at your door in the middle of the night to seize your computer, get you fired from your job and, in general, destroy your life.

You thinking I’m kidding? As a writer, I never joke about censorship. Ours is the country that tried to ban Ulysses and Naked Lunch on the grounds that some people did not think the rest of us should be reading about looking up a girl’s dress or auto-erotic asphyxiation. U.S. prosecutors went after the film The Tin Drum.. A former U.S. Attorney General (Ashcroft) put curtains over partially nude statues. And now, in two separate cases, the Holder DOJ has sent people to jail for having cartoon child pornography.

Christopher Handley, a computer programmer and anime enthusiast was sent to federal prison for six months and ordered to serve three years probation, because he purchased some hentai lolicon from a Japanese publisher. For those who do not read manga, hentai means porn and lolicon means little girls (i.e. Lolita, another infamous U.S. censorship case I forgot to mention). A curious postmaster opened his mail, discovered the manga, called the feds----and now, the guy is without a job, a computer and his freedom.

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Zebedeo (1000+ posts)           Wed Apr-20-11 10:31 PM
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1. So . . . . . .
   
you're defending kiddie porn? Sorry, I can't see your point at all.
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Codeine   (1000+ posts)           Wed Apr-20-11 10:48 PM
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3. He's doing no such thing. Cartoons are not kiddie porn.
   
He's smart enough to recognize the difference.

backscatter712   (1000+ posts)             Wed Apr-20-11 10:50 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. These were cartoons. No actual child was exploited.
   
Sounds to me like the First Amendment should apply. It wasn't intended to protect politically-correct, inoffensive speech. It was to protect the really unpopular stuff.

Taverner   (1000+ posts)             Wed Apr-20-11 11:59 PM
Response to Reply #1
10. It's cartoons! Not kiddie porn!
   
GAH!

seabeyond   (1000+ posts)             Thu Apr-21-11 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #10
12. it is cartoons of kiddie porn. so men can get off on kids.... nt

Women have been know to abuse children, too.

Taverner   (1000+ posts)             Thu Apr-21-11 12:07 AM
Response to Reply #12
13. So? Is a child being exploited? No
   
Is a child being harmed? No

Will this cause a child to get harmed? No

Will this desensitize the world to child porn? No

I'm having trouble finding exactly what harm took place?

Bandit (1000+ posts)           Thu Apr-21-11 09:15 AM
Response to Reply #1
27. Just because they look like children does not mean they are not of age.
   
The Simpson's has been on the air for over twenty years so Bart and Lisa could not possibly be under that age..

WTF?

astral   (1000+ posts)         Wed Apr-20-11 10:53 PM
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7. Don't you guys get what he said?
   
He said COMIC BOOK porn! CARTOON DRAWINGS porn! Not "Kiddie porn," like real-life children.

The topic of us being turned into accidental criminals is a very real issue.

Do you think any laws they make against anything are just fine as long as they're not against anything YOU like to do?

The attitude of the general DU populations scares the shit out of me.

I suppose I just broke the law here with that last sentence, too, and offended somebody.

Speck Tater   (1000+ posts)           Thu Apr-21-11 12:12 AM
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16. Next reading comic books about bank robbers will get you arrested for virtual robbery.
   
And I don't even want to think about what will happen to anyone who reads a comic book about terrorists!

Even kids know the difference between fantasy and reality. It's a wonder that adult lawyers have yet to grasp that difference. Are American adults REALLY that stupid? Oh wait, why do I even ask that question in a country where people are sent to jail for smoking a joint. Insanity has finally prevailed and the inmates are running the asylum.

Marr (1000+ posts)           Thu Apr-21-11 12:11 PM
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31. All you people casually dismissing this should be ashamed of yourselves.
   
This isn't only censorship of artwork we're talking about, but actually jailing people for having drawings. Marks on a page. That is outrageous.

If you're fine with this, you'd better not make a ****ing peep when Conservatives ban Nabokov or Salinger or any other of their other chosen targets.

I guess cartoons and the subsequent writings that depict a black president being a target would be okay since no real person is harmed?

[Rebel]

Defending it again?


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[DumbAss Tanker]

Indefensible that stuff may be, but there actually is a legal problem prosecuting someone for cartoons or written material as opposed to pictures of real people, no matter what it contains.  I'm betting he had the real thing on his computer and/or violated laws about sending obscene material through the mail, or both.

[thundley4]

Indefensible that stuff may be, but there actually is a legal problem prosecuting someone for cartoons or written material as opposed to pictures of real people, no matter what it contains.  I'm betting he had the real thing on his computer and/or violated laws about sending obscene material through the mail, or both.

The guy did plead guilty to charges not involving the drawings.

[commonguymd]

The guy did plead guilty to charges not involving the drawings.

He had actual Child porn too.   Sick freaks.

[Karin]

In the USA, foreign corporations have a Constitutionally protected right to spend as much money as they want during elections

  Iin the infamous mouthed words:  "Not true."

the Obama DOJ will come knocking at your door in the middle of the night

  Only if you're a white non-Muslim. 

[jukin]

Only if you're a white non-Muslim legal citizen.


I seriously think that if one were an illegal lesbian muslim, one could shoot a person in public and never spend a day in jail.

[FiddyBeowulf]

My first thought when I started reading the OP was "not another Scott Ritter was framed thread".

[DumbAss Tanker]

He had actual Child porn too.   Sick freaks.

That, I find totally unsurprising.  The chances of someone having that kind of cartoon stuff on their PC but not having any real stuff are about the same as the chances of a DUmmie having a successful, long-term job in the private sector.

[vesta111]

That, I find totally unsurprising.  The chances of someone having that kind of cartoon stuff on their PC but not having any real stuff are about the same as the chances of a DUmmie having a successful, long-term job in the private sector.

This is a big intellectual problem.   WTF.

A drawing as obscene to one person may be just a ho hum to another.   On the other hand a book of words on how to molest children is by passed as free speech.

What is freedom of expression, the spoken word, the written word or photography, paintings and drawings of another kind or sculpture and Head to India to see some very odd sculpture on buildings and Temples.

We now think nothing of an art work that showed Jesus covered in excrement yet get upset when the Koran is burned, Mohammad caricatured causing a riot  but shrug when the Bible or our flag is burned.

Kiddie porn in any way brings out the outrage in us, not the written word but the pictures of it by any means.

Why is this, we have no outrage against MBLA, where is the out rage against the books that have targeted young boys to encourage them to have a special friend with an adult male.????

What to do, with free speech when it becomes a method of harm to others, especially children.  Who is to decide what is free speech or expression when it crosses the boundary between good and evil??

Big problem here, why is the written or spoken word protected yet cartoons hand drawn considered illegal.??

Me thinks that our society has a very bad problem here.   Perverts are no longer the unusual, they are coming out of the wood wood work like cocker roaches, they seem to be damn near everywhere.

I just thank the Lord I am at an age when I will not live long enough to see just how far this goes--

[DumbAss Tanker]

Big problem here, why is the written or spoken word protected yet cartoons hand drawn considered illegal.??

Your big mistake here is thinking that the DUmmie got the facts straight in the first place. 

[true_blood]

Defending it again?
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