Patriotic or Unpatriotic, you make the choice!

[WinOne4TheGipper]

Tim4319 (1000+ posts)       Tue Apr-15-08 02:57 PM
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Patriotic or Unpatriotic, you make the choice!
 Advertisements [?]Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 02:59 PM by Tim4319
While messing around on the web, I decided to research some of the most staunch supporters of this war, along with the most "so called" patriots of the United States, and I came across a very interesting discovery. The people who portray themselves to be patriots aren't, and the people who are perceived as being unpatriotic are the exact opposite! Here are my finding.

1. Sean Hannity None

2. Rush Limbaugh None

3. Pat Buchanan While studying at Georgetown Buchanan served in ROTC and received his draft notice in 1960. However, a District of Columbia draft board rejecting him from military service due to reactive arthritis, declaring him 4-F. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Buchanan )

4. Bill O'Reilly None

5. Dick Cheney When Cheney became eligible for the draft, he was a supporter of the Vietnam War but did not serve in the military. Instead, he applied for and received five draft deferments. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney )

6. Jeremiah Wright Wright gave up his student deferment, left college and joined the United States Marine Corps and became part of the 2nd Marine Division with the rank of private first class. In 1963, after two years of service, Wright then transferred to the United States Navy and entered the Corpsman School at the Great Lakes Naval Training Center, where he graduated as valedictorian.<6> Having excelled in corpsman school, Wright was then trained as a cardiopulmonary technician at the National Naval Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland where he graduated as salutatorian.<6> Wright was assigned as part of the medical team charged with care of President Lyndon B. Johnson's (see photo of Wright caring for Johnson after his 1966 surgery). Before leaving the position in 1967, the White House awarded Wright three letters of commendation. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright )

 

Translation:  Hey y'all, look at this incomplete and irrelevant list I plagiarized from elsewhere on the Internet...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3161451

Happyhippychick (601 posts)      Tue Apr-15-08 02:59 PM
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1. There is a list (somewhere) of all of the members of the House and who served in the military.
 It was something like 90% of the democrats served and 20% of the republicans served. I'll see if I can find it.

ETA:  Sorry about the header.

[CactusCarlos]

6. Jeremiah Wright Wright gave up his student deferment, left college and joined the United States Marine Corps and became part of the 2nd Marine Division with the rank of private first class. In 1963, after two years of service, Wright then transferred to the United States Navy and entered the Corpsman School at the Great Lakes Naval Training Center, where he graduated as valedictorian.<6> Having excelled in corpsman school, Wright was then trained as a cardiopulmonary technician at the National Naval Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland where he graduated as salutatorian.<6> Wright was assigned as part of the medical team charged with care of President Lyndon B. Johnson's (see photo of Wright caring for Johnson after his 1966 surgery). Before leaving the position in 1967, the White House awarded Wright three letters of commendation. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright )

DUmmie, you are as confused about the issue as you are about your own sexuality.  Wright is a racist whether he served or not.   

[Ralph Wiggum]

I dare someone to post this link:

http://www.navyleague.org/legislative_affairs/

And old tired trick by the DUmmies.  I've probably seen that posted there a hundred times.

[Bondai]

I refuse to accept the premise that a persons patriotism has to be linked to military service. There are many patriots in this country who never served, I would count Rush amomng them.

[Flame]

I refuse to accept the premise that a persons patriotism has to be linked to military service. There are many patriots in this country who never served, I would count Rush amomng them.

Don't tell a certain reptile from another site that...he thinks anyone who didn't serve is worse than scum.

[CactusCarlos]

I refuse to accept the premise that a persons patriotism has to be linked to military service. There are many patriots in this country who never served, I would count Rush amomng them.

Seriously.  Murtha served in the USMC - ask a Marine whether he thinks Murtha is a patriot or not.

[Chris_]

I refuse to accept the premise that a persons patriotism has to be linked to military service. There are many patriots in this country who never served, I would count Rush amomng them.

Seriously.  Murtha served in the USMC - ask a Marine whether he thinks Murtha is a patriot or not.

murtha is one of a very small number of Ex-Marines.

[WinOne4TheGipper]

I refuse to accept the premise that a persons patriotism has to be linked to military service. There are many patriots in this country who never served, I would count Rush amomng them.

Exactly.  Those who serve in the military are indeed brave and almost all are patriotic, but that isn't always a predictor, and it certainly should never be used as the the sole indicator or proof of someone's patriotism.

[Chris_]

I refuse to accept the premise that a persons patriotism has to be linked to military service. There are many patriots in this country who never served, I would count Rush amomng them.

Exactly.  Those who serve in the military are indeed brave and almost all are patriotic, but that isn't always a predictor, and it certainly should never be used as the the sole indicator or proof of someone's patriotism.

Witness Winter Soldier.  How painful that must be for you folks that served (and thank you again for your service).

[Servonaut]

I thought this was funny in their patriotic losers list.

Randi Rhodes - enlisted in the United States Air Force in 1977 and worked stateside as a mechanic in Texas, achieving the rank of Airman First Class. 

You would think it was a hard thing back then. All you had to do was sign up
for a 6 year enlistment and you got A1C right out of basic.

Looks like she got out early anyway.

Rhodes enlisted in the United States Air Force in 1977 and worked stateside at McGuire Air Force Base in New Jersey as a mechanic, achieving the rank of Airman First Class. She left the Air Force early and relocated to Ohio, where she participated in a program called Palace Chase to release her to the reserves and honorably discharge her. Although she left active duty before her contract was up, she still received an honorable discharge after completing the program

I'm thinking General under Honorable Conditions.

 

[Airwolf]

I refuse to accept the premise that a persons patriotism has to be linked to military service. There are many patriots in this country who never served, I would count Rush amomng them.

Seriously.  Murtha served in the USMC - ask a Marine whether he thinks Murtha is a patriot or not.

Another famous patriot named Tom Harkin-D Iowa lied about his service in the Navy to get elected to his first term as a congressmean and to run for President. How is that being patriotic? Stupid SOB said he flew CAP missions over North Vietnam when in fact all he ever did was fly maintanace flights between Japan and the P.I.

Then there is John Kerry-D Mass with his memories of Vietnam seard into his memories. We don't need to list all his lies here but they are lies nonetheless

And where are the service records of Fat Teddy Kennedy and Dingy Harrry Reid and John Edwards?

[JohnnyReb]

I refuse to accept the premise that a persons patriotism has to be linked to military service. There are many patriots in this country who never served, I would count Rush amomng them.

Seriously.  Murtha served in the USMC - ask a Marine whether he thinks Murtha is a patriot or not.

murtha is one of a very small number of Ex-Marines.

HAHAHAHAHAHA ........oh, boy.........seems someone else has read of senator mothers many exploits.

[delilahmused]

I don't see what any of this has to do with it. Patriotism is an attitude not a resume.

Cindie

[djones520]

I thought this was funny in their patriotic losers list.

Randi Rhodes - enlisted in the United States Air Force in 1977 and worked stateside as a mechanic in Texas, achieving the rank of Airman First Class. 

You would think it was a hard thing back then. All you had to do was sign up
for a 6 year enlistment and you got A1C right out of basic.

Looks like she got out early anyway.

Rhodes enlisted in the United States Air Force in 1977 and worked stateside at McGuire Air Force Base in New Jersey as a mechanic, achieving the rank of Airman First Class. She left the Air Force early and relocated to Ohio, where she participated in a program called Palace Chase to release her to the reserves and honorably discharge her. Although she left active duty before her contract was up, she still received an honorable discharge after completing the program

I'm thinking General under Honorable Conditions.

 

Back then A1C was E-4, not E-3 like it is today.  Took me 5 years to go from E-4 to E-5.  Takes others even longer.  If she only did a 4 year tour, then seperating as an E-4 is completely reasonable and acceptable.  Also, they didn't have the 6 year enlistment straight to E-3 plan back in the day either.

[Servonaut]

I thought this was funny in their patriotic losers list.

Randi Rhodes - enlisted in the United States Air Force in 1977 and worked stateside as a mechanic in Texas, achieving the rank of Airman First Class. 

You would think it was a hard thing back then. All you had to do was sign up
for a 6 year enlistment and you got A1C right out of basic.

Looks like she got out early anyway.

Rhodes enlisted in the United States Air Force in 1977 and worked stateside at McGuire Air Force Base in New Jersey as a mechanic, achieving the rank of Airman First Class. She left the Air Force early and relocated to Ohio, where she participated in a program called Palace Chase to release her to the reserves and honorably discharge her. Although she left active duty before her contract was up, she still received an honorable discharge after completing the program

I'm thinking General under Honorable Conditions.

 

Back then A1C was E-4, not E-3 like it is today.  Took me 5 years to go from E-4 to E-5.  Takes others even longer.  If she only did a 4 year tour, then seperating as an E-4 is completely reasonable and acceptable.  Also, they didn't have the 6 year enlistment straight to E-3 plan back in the day either.

It's been many years for me, I got out in 85, but if I remember correctly
A1C was an E-3 back then.

The ranks went

Airman Basic E-1

Airman E-2

Airman First Class E-3

Senior Airman E-4

and when I got out

Buck Sargent E-4 ?

But it's been a long time. 
 

[Chris_]

...and the OP at the DUmp used wiki as his sole source of info.   

[djones520]

Actually, I had my dates wrong.  The change from A1C to E3 occured in 67'.  But what I'm reading indicates that one had to test to attain E-4 back then as well.  It wasn't automatically given.

[BlueStateSaint]

I refuse to accept the premise that a persons patriotism has to be linked to military service. There are many patriots in this country who never served, I would count Rush amomng them.

Seriously.  Murtha served in the USMC - ask a Marine whether he thinks Murtha is a patriot or not.

And a certain Revolutionary War general by the name of Benedict Arnold served with incredible distinction not more than 12 to 15 miles from me.  I'd seriously doubt that anyone the guts to call him a patriot.