kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr-12-11 11:58 AM
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Extraordinary rendition - WWII Style Updated at 12:16 PM
Edited on Tue Apr-12-11 12:02 PM by kpete
By the tens of thousands, German soldiers were loaded aboard Liberty Ships, which had carried American troops across the Atlantic. Eventually, some five hundred P.O.W. camps, scattered across forty-five of the forty-eight United States, housed some four hundred thousand men. In every one of those camps, the Geneva conventions were adhered to so scrupulously that, after the war, not a few of the inmates decided to stick around and become Americans themselves. That was extraordinary rendition, Greatest Generation style.
the rest:
http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2011/04/18/110418...
via:
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/04/the-wwi...
And then follows a bunch of "Golly, aren't our democrat forefathers just so much better than these rethuglikkklanners. We're so blessed to have such blessed blessings."
And then...
whistler162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr-12-11 01:03 PM
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12. No extraordinart rendition were
Japanese-Americans in Manzanar and the like!
I'm not sure what the hell he was saying but the turd lies on the floor with all passers-by pretending it isn't there and the aroma does not touch them.
And then there's this guy begging for a tombstone:
Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr-12-11 01:17 PM
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14. Those German soldiers wore uniforms and fought under a flag
They were easily recognizable as enemy forces; they did not wear civilian clothes and try to conceal themselves within the civilian population. The Geneva Conventions require armies to adhere to these rules and others. One should not expect to receive the benefits of the Geneva Conventions if one does not adhere to the requirements of those same Geneva Conventions. Imho.
MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr-12-11 02:01 PM
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17. What is a "uniform"?
Is it the full dress pants, jacket, helmet? Or is it something as simple, and common, as a scrap of dyed cloth tied around your arm?
Frankly I find this whole uniform fetish to be ridiculous. If a person lays down their tools and picks up a gun in order to fight against a common enemy, they're a soldier. After all, that is what many of our Revolutionary soldiers did, coming to battle dressed in whatever "uniform" was in their wardrobe.
And personally I find this fetish for declaring people who teach their children to become suicide bombers "non-combatants" to be ridiculous.
Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr-12-11 02:57 PM
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19. A uniform is defined as "a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance"
The Third Geneva Convention defines a Prisoner of War under Article 4:
Article 4 defines prisoners of war to include:
* 4.1.1 Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict and members of militias of such armed forces
* 4.1.2 Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, provided that they fulfill all of the following conditions:
o that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;
o that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance (there are limited exceptions to this among countries who observe the 1977 Protocol I);
o that of carrying arms openly;
o that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.
* 4.1.3 Members of regular armed forces who profess allegiance to a government or an authority not recognized by the Detaining Power.
* 4.1.4 Civilians who have non-combat support roles with the military and who carry a valid identity card issued by the military they support.
* 4.1.5 Merchant marine and the crews of civil aircraft of the Parties to the conflict, who do not benefit by more favourable treatment under any other provisions of international law.
* 4.1.6 Inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war.
* 4.3 makes explicit that Article 33 takes precedence for the treatment of medical personnel of the enemy and chaplains of the enemy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Geneva_Convention#Pa...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x873724
