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« on: April 11, 2011, 08:48:24 PM »
I have what might, or might not, be a stupid question; at any rate, google has no answer.

I'm one of the very few, very very few, native Nebraskans who's never seen a tornado (funnel) in his entire lifetime; for whatever reasons, it's one of those phenomenons that has stayed out of my way.

BEG here, a native Nebraskan, described what had to be the great tornado that struck Omaha in May 1975, an epic storm, horrific in its destruction.  Mrs. Smith spent much of her life in that part of Nebraska susceptible to tornados, and so has probably seen a few.  I dunno for sure about dutch508, but since he's one of the very few survivors of the biggest earthquake ever to hit Nebraska, probably he's outlasted some tornados too.

Surely even the sissified Omaha Steve of Skins's island has seen a tornado.

All members of my family, including even my younger brother, had seen a tornado at least once in their lifetimes, and ditto for friends in high school and college and thereafter.  Here in Nebraska, one is always bumping into people who've seen tornados.

I almost saw a tornado once.....back in 2006, when I was slumbering in bed, suddenly all the cats rose up and made a mad dash for the door to the basement.  I only half-woke up, and groggily thought perhaps they had to run to the restroom (litter boxes).  Then I went back to sleep.  Two days later, the neighbor stopped by, and informed me that a tornado had gone by, about halfway between this house and the highway.  This house is two miles south of the highway, so apparently it had been a mile north of where I was sleeping.

(No one until then had said anything, because they all assumed franksolich already knew all about it.)

Anyway, question.

As most know, tornados (funnels) are "v" shaped structures that skip up-and-down, sometimes touching the ground, sometimes not.  When on the ground, they stir up a great deal of debris, which obscures them at the base, but essentially they're "v" shaped things, with a small tip at the bottom.

One of the tornados that struck western Iowa this past weekend was described as being "three-quarters of a mile" at its base.

Which is not what one might call a "small tip".

And so my question.

Would there have been some sort of abnormally strong pressure above the top of the funnel, that shoved or compressed it down, making it (in tornado terms) short and squat, rather than tall and slender?

I know, I know, probably a stupid question, but franksolich has never alleged to know everything.
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Re: tornados
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2011, 07:14:14 AM »
I'm not sure exactly why some tornadoes are so much wider at the base, but I've seen several and they've varied greatly.  The first was 2 blocks wide at the ground, tore through the north side of Cheyenne, Wyoming nearly 30 years ago.  I lived on the south side and saw it from my door as we were heading for shelter...it was huge, black, full of debris!!  It looked like the entire storm cloud was just a few yards off the earth, and this massive funnel just extended it to the ground.

The smallest twister I've ever seen was just outside York, Nebraska about 5 or 6 years ago.  It started way high, angled to my right for about 1/3 of it's length, then came down to the ground in a long, long white swirl.  It went across I-80 about a mile in front of us, and didn't do much damage to the nearby objects, just took off a few tree limbs.  When we got there, we could see it's path, it was a few feet wide - 10 or 12 feet would be my guess.

My advice about tornadoes, for what it's worth...if you see a sickening green tint to the clouds, hit your basement.  The only one I was close enough to observe forming had a lot of green in it before it got to the ground, a color that just shouldn't be in clouds.  That one missed us, Thank God, but hit about 1/4 mile later and destroyed several homes and downed some 100 year old trees in the park in North Platte.  Oh, and if you are watching a funnel, remember that the bottom of the funnel is invisible until it picks up dirt from the ground, so don't hang around figuring it's only part-way down.
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Re: tornados
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2011, 08:15:11 AM »
My advice about tornadoes, for what it's worth...if you see a sickening green tint to the clouds, hit your basement.  The only one I was close enough to observe forming had a lot of green in it before it got to the ground, a color that just shouldn't be in clouds.

I've always been aware of this green-in-the-clouds "warning," because as you might guess, madam, that's the only tornado warning I'm ever likely to get, not being able to hear sirens or weather bulletins.

The deal is, I've been looking for this phenomenon since I first learned of it when a little lad, but again, that's a phenomenon that seems to have evaded me while being caught by everybody else.

The one that touched down near here back in 2006 came down during the middle of the night, and was, I guess, considered a small one.  It tore up the flora, ground, and fences about 20' in width (there weren't any buildings or people for it to churn into).  About a mile west of town (or, five miles from franksolich) it sprung high up into the air, and floated over the town, and then after reaching the eastern city-limits, dipped down to the ground again.

Not even a cow or chicken got carried away by it, and again, there were no people, vehicles, or structures in its way.  Hell, not even a tree, nary a bush.
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Re: tornados
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2011, 08:52:11 AM »
I'm not sure exactly why some tornadoes are so much wider at the base, but I've seen several and they've varied greatly.  The first was 2 blocks wide at the ground, tore through the north side of Cheyenne, Wyoming nearly 30 years ago.  I lived on the south side and saw it from my door as we were heading for shelter...it was huge, black, full of debris!!  It looked like the entire storm cloud was just a few yards off the earth, and this massive funnel just extended it to the ground.

The smallest twister I've ever seen was just outside York, Nebraska about 5 or 6 years ago.  It started way high, angled to my right for about 1/3 of it's length, then came down to the ground in a long, long white swirl.  It went across I-80 about a mile in front of us, and didn't do much damage to the nearby objects, just took off a few tree limbs.  When we got there, we could see it's path, it was a few feet wide - 10 or 12 feet would be my guess.

My advice about tornadoes, for what it's worth...if you see a sickening green tint to the clouds, hit your basement.  The only one I was close enough to observe forming had a lot of green in it before it got to the ground, a color that just shouldn't be in clouds.  That one missed us, Thank God, but hit about 1/4 mile later and destroyed several homes and downed some 100 year old trees in the park in North Platte.  Oh, and if you are watching a funnel, remember that the bottom of the funnel is invisible until it picks up dirt from the ground, so don't hang around figuring it's only part-way down.

We had an episode of what was called an iconic blast here a few years ago.  10 years before this one a so called blast took down half of a town park next door, strange as acres of trees were snapped off at half growth. It looked like a war zone, and devastated the area.

The one that hit us came in out of the blue, about 5 PM in the summer.  It began with high winds then torrential rain. Darn there was a white out in the front windows.  We had a large building in front of our home that some how saved us.    This took place for perhaps 10 minutes, then the sun came out and everywhere I looked I saw damage on all sides of me.

Huge tree limbs impaling roofs, one went through a livingroom window all the way across the home and out the back window.

We went out to the homes with damage and made sure the residents were OK.  This Blast seemed to have hopped about, some areas were bad, some no problem.  Both homes on each side of me had damage, we had one shingle lost.  Down the road this non tornado took out roofs and huge old trees, pulled siding off of homes.

This is not a tornado we were told but an iconic blasting one can see it coming, it just happens when the weather is right.

Great, I love the fact that at any time I will be out in the summer some kind of blast may occur.

Fast forward to 5 years later when one of these suckers hit a small lake in our area and took down a large number of homes on the lake front and a few miles of trees.   Big debate then was this some kind of tornado or what.  all the downed trees were laying in the same direction like hay walked on in the fields.

Still debate on these odd occurrences, scientists debate today on what the hell happend.  One can see a tornado coming, but these blasts come out of nowhere.  

I have a theory but Sparky and others much smarter then myself would jump on me like flys on rice so I will not post it.

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Re: tornados
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2011, 08:55:18 AM »
Vesta, I'm pretty sure that "iconic blast" as you call it was the result of straight line winds caused by the outflow of air before and during the thunderstorm. They are quite common. BTW, in the weather world, I have never heard of such a term, nor does Google show anything like that in regards to weather.
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Re: tornados
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2011, 09:21:31 AM »
Vesta, I'm pretty sure that "iconic blast" as you call it was the result of straight line winds caused by the outflow of air before and during the thunderstorm. They are quite common. BTW, in the weather world, I have never heard of such a term, nor does Google show anything like that in regards to weather.


Thor, I was thinking straight line winds too, when I read Vesta's post. However, if her local newscasters are anything like ours...just like the network people....they have to give an "event" a name. I'm thinking that some station called the SLW an "iconic blast" of some sort, and that's how Vesta is remembering it.

Several years ago, we had some bad flooding and all the news people were referring to it as "----- 100 year flood" with each one using some sort of adjective preceeding the 100. Worked real well....until we had "100 year flood" a couple of years in a row.  ::)  The one we had a month or so ago, was the "----- 150 year flood". Guess they figured out no one was buying into the 100 year flood nickname anymore.


Frank....is there some sort of device that you could get that would alert you to a tornado warning? We've had one of those little battery weather radios for years. Looks like a cross between an old transitor radio and a walkie-talkie. It only gets NOAA weather reports. I wonder if there is something available that vibrates when dangerous weather is approaching or if the have one that will do digital printing on it like a pager or cell phone does.

I do know that you can get weather applications for a "smart" cell phone. You could probably get a lot of use out of a smart phone, and get a payment plan that only does text messaging.
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Re: tornados
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2011, 09:27:50 AM »
Frank, I believe the pressure gradient that leads to tornado formation is actually low pressure above, and extending downward inside the funnel.   The size of the funnel cloud at the surface is pretty much a function of how much air is involved and how fast it's moving, which themselves are products of the pressure gradient, surface winds and winds aloft, and temperature gradient.   
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Re: tornados
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2011, 09:37:54 AM »
Where's djones when one needs him??
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Re: tornados
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2011, 09:45:02 AM »
Where's djones when one needs him??


Is he still over in Japan?
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Re: tornados
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2011, 10:14:29 AM »
Is he still over in Japan?

LOL, you don't keep up, do you!!  :fuelfire: :tongue: Last I knew, he was in Illinois.
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Re: tornados
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2011, 10:19:32 AM »
LOL, you don't keep up, do you!!  :fuelfire: :tongue: Last I knew, he was in Illinois.

Last I knew he was in Afghanistan, I think. 
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Re: tornados
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2011, 10:31:47 AM »
Last I knew he was in Afghanistan, I think. 

I thought he was sent somewhere after Illinois....cause he wasn't going to be able to take his family.
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Re: tornados
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2011, 10:36:45 AM »


I don't see him anywhere.

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Re: tornados
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2011, 10:56:48 AM »
Dude, he's right by the hat table.  Look again!

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Re: tornados
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2011, 12:13:49 PM »
We had an episode of what was called an iconic blast here a few years ago.  10 years before this one a so called blast took down half of a town park next door, strange as acres of trees were snapped off at half growth. It looked like a war zone, and devastated the area.

The one that hit us came in out of the blue, about 5 PM in the summer.  It began with high winds then torrential rain. Darn there was a white out in the front windows.  We had a large building in front of our home that some how saved us.    This took place for perhaps 10 minutes, then the sun came out and everywhere I looked I saw damage on all sides of me.

Huge tree limbs impaling roofs, one went through a livingroom window all the way across the home and out the back window.

We went out to the homes with damage and made sure the residents were OK.  This Blast seemed to have hopped about, some areas were bad, some no problem.  Both homes on each side of me had damage, we had one shingle lost.  Down the road this non tornado took out roofs and huge old trees, pulled siding off of homes.

This is not a tornado we were told but an iconic blasting one can see it coming, it just happens when the weather is right.

Great, I love the fact that at any time I will be out in the summer some kind of blast may occur.

Fast forward to 5 years later when one of these suckers hit a small lake in our area and took down a large number of homes on the lake front and a few miles of trees.   Big debate then was this some kind of tornado or what.  all the downed trees were laying in the same direction like hay walked on in the fields.

Still debate on these odd occurrences, scientists debate today on what the hell happend.  One can see a tornado coming, but these blasts come out of nowhere.  

I have a theory but Sparky and others much smarter then myself would jump on me like flys on rice so I will not post it.

We had something like this happen a few years ago.  My kids were next door, helping a neighbor set up for a garage sale, and there was a sudden down burst.   Their only warning was the stuff picked up in the pasture next to the house, the neighbor tossed my kids inside her house and slammed the door just in time.  Everything in the front yard went flying, the trampoline cleared our house, hit my other-side neighbor's house and removed a large amount of shingles,  then landed in the back yard of another house nearly 2/3 of the way down the block.  Most of the stuff she had out to sell was scattered down our block, but several things were never found, including her card table.  Thankfully, it wasn't as bad as yours!!  :o
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Re: tornados
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2011, 12:19:56 PM »
I've always been aware of this green-in-the-clouds "warning," because as you might guess, madam, that's the only tornado warning I'm ever likely to get, not being able to hear sirens or weather bulletins.

The deal is, I've been looking for this phenomenon since I first learned of it when a little lad, but again, that's a phenomenon that seems to have evaded me while being caught by everybody else.

The one that touched down near here back in 2006 came down during the middle of the night, and was, I guess, considered a small one.  It tore up the flora, ground, and fences about 20' in width (there weren't any buildings or people for it to churn into).  About a mile west of town (or, five miles from franksolich) it sprung high up into the air, and floated over the town, and then after reaching the eastern city-limits, dipped down to the ground again.

Not even a cow or chicken got carried away by it, and again, there were no people, vehicles, or structures in its way.  Hell, not even a tree, nary a bush.
  I always watch incoming storms, either by going out and looking for myself, or by pulling up NOAA or WeatherUnderground and watching the radar.  They are usually 10 or 15 minutes behind real life, but if the storm looks nasty enough, you could head for the basement just in case.

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« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2011, 12:29:53 PM »
I thought he was sent somewhere after Illinois....cause he wasn't going to be able to take his family.

Yup.  And I thought that was Afghanistan, but I could be wrong.  I thought I saw TRG and him talk about meeting up.
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Re: tornados
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2011, 01:30:39 PM »
You don't need to hear anything if a tornado approaches.  Yes it sounds like a train but there are warnings other than wind sound.

Lightning.  It will strobe.  Very dense, very quick, very scary.  It will raise the hair on your arms if you're outside.

It will rain sideways. It will also rain in different directions at the same time.  Hard rain, sheet rain, whipping rain with little visability. Twice I've been in a car when a tornado passed over me or in front of me.  It rocked the car so bad I cried.

Hail.  It's a sure thing a tornado is close.  Doesn't matter the size.

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« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2011, 04:51:36 PM »
Yup.  And I thought that was Afghanistan, but I could be wrong.  I thought I saw TRG and him talk about meeting up.

His profile tells where he is....
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Re: tornados
« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2011, 04:02:31 AM »
Weather is really strange, this is the reason both hubby and I had baskets on the front of our Kayaks to hold our little dogs when we went out on lakes or rivers.   

The pups who weighed about 12 pounds each loved the adventure and when I got out their little dog life vests
they went wild knowing an adventure awaited them.

Reason we took them even as we had a small Noah radio with us the dogs were OUR life savers.  It is all in the ears for these dogs, when the barometer drops very fast it causes them to have pain in the ear and they whine or shake their heads.  Allot like having your ears pop when driving up a mountain or flying in an airplane --the sudden change in altitude in some people case great pain.

So when the dogs got restless we headed as fast as we could go for shore even on a cloudless bright blue sky day.   My dogs have never been wrong.

Lightening is unbelievable, it will avoid the 50 foot masts of sail boats and go for someone in a dingy 4 feet above the water line.



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« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2011, 05:59:07 AM »
His profile tells where he is....

Close....only a stan away.   :-)
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« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2011, 10:46:09 PM »
That's right. He did deploy abroad. Kryzykstan or some weird place like that.
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