http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x857790Oh my.
By the way, a few months ago, franksolich got an e-mail from one of his sources on Skins's island who alleged that the bitter old Vermontese cali primitive is an elderly aunt, or something, of my fellow alum Skins.
Since it didn't seem credible, I disregarded it.
Now I'm wondering if I should have regarded it.
cali (1000+ posts) Sun Apr-10-11 09:55 AM
THE BITTER OLD VERMONTESE CALI PRIMITIVE
Original message
I don't hate democrats. I don't think they're as bad as repubs, but I am frustrated and fearful. I'm frustrated by their lack of fighting spirit inability to frame the debates, as well as the corporate mindset of too many of them. I'm fearful that they will continue participating in the dismantling of the social net in order to "save it".
I'm fearful that out of party unity, few elected dems will really buck the President and will continue to allow him to set the democratic agenda. And let's face it, the agenda he's setting runs counter to many democratic values.
I'm so tired of feeling ill, day after day, when I hear what the dems have accepted, endorsed, not fought against. I wouldn't mind losing so much if there was at least a good fight against the repukes.
But there isn't.
Yours in discouragement,
cali
kentuck (1000+ posts) Sun Apr-10-11 09:58 AM
THE BLUEGRASS PRIMITIVE
Response to Original message
1. It's understandable...
At the very least, put up an argument. Present a message worthy of a national Party. Simply rolling over is not acceptable.
Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Sun Apr-10-11 10:00 AM
Response to Original message
2. Presiding over the death of the New Deal.
Now there is a legacy.
cali (1000+ posts) Sun Apr-10-11 10:01 AM
THE BITTER OLD VERMONTESE CALI PRIMITIVE
Response to Reply #2
4. more like lackeys to those presiding over the death of the new deal
ugh.
dkf (1000+ posts) Sun Apr-10-11 10:00 AM
Response to Original message
3. The problem is how do you defend spending when the country is in debt?
The only area we feel like cutting is defense and getting into Libya makes that impossible.
Taxes will go up with the expiration of the Bush cuts so to me fighting for higher taxes is moot. The expiration will pit tax receipts close to the 20% we have traditionally been at. Now we need to figure out how to cut spending to 20% of GDP.
You know, I'm starting to feel rather fondly towards this dkf primitive.
Not only does the dkf primitive not seem to like the sparkling husband primitive, but the dkf primitive doesn't seem especially impressed by the bitter old Vermontese cali primitive.
cali (1000+ posts) Sun Apr-10-11 10:03 AM
THE BITTER OLD VERMONTESE CALI PRIMITIVE
Response to Reply #3
5. baloney. there are plenty of places to cut- yes, defense but many more. How about the billions and billions in subsidies for oil companies or agribusiness. And as for the supposed expiration of the bush tax cuts, I have a lovely bridge to sell you.
dkf (1000+ posts) Sun Apr-10-11 10:22 AM
Response to Reply #5
12. Aren't those tax credits? They aren't cutting spending, they are raising revenue.
If the govt gives you an exemption for your mortgage interest payments that is not an expense.
bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Sun Apr-10-11 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #12
21. Tax reveue can be applied to the debt.
You can give it any name you want, but it still is simple math.
dkf (1000+ posts) Sun Apr-10-11 11:15 AM
Response to Reply #21
27. It increases revenue.
The question is if you have spending that is constantly growing will you keep on increasing taxation? At what point does everyone acknowledge that the spending is too much?
kentuck (1000+ posts) Sun Apr-10-11 10:04 AM
THE BLUEGRASS PRIMITIVE
Response to Reply #3
6. Do you really think the Bush taxcuts will be permitted to expire?
That is gold to the Repubs.
dkf (1000+ posts) Sun Apr-10-11 10:25 AM
Response to Reply #6
13. Like this last time they will automatically expire.
I think any serious person who looks at the budget has to let them expire. Either that or they will do as Obama wants and revamp the whole thing.
But it will be obvious by then that the increases are necessary and that we need all of them, not simply for the top 2%.
Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Sun Apr-10-11 10:04 AM
Response to Reply #3
7. The bush tax cuts are going to expire like the last time??
dkf (1000+ posts) Sun Apr-10-11 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #7
14. There was sound reasoning for not increasing taxes in a recession.
The plan was that they would be reinstated after we had recovered.
Unless you think we will still be in a recession, the rationale for keeping them isn't there unless spending is cut to a level that doesn't require more income.
Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Sun Apr-10-11 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #14
22. Does that also take into account that you don't lower taxes when you are at war??
This country follows no sane economic policy. It is feed by emotion and agenda.
The majority of the people passing laws that the bottom lives with have no idea what it takes to live in this country when the President considers $172,000 a modest salary.
A teacher makes $50,000 and is said to be making too much, the one that has the power to shape young minds.
And a man that goes out and talks to the press after he has been fed the words he is suppose to say. He makes $172,000 and his boss says he can understand why he wants to go out in the real world and make more money. Tell me what is wrong with this picture.
The top is out of touch with the bottom and they do not care.
You tax the money. How many jobs have been created through all these tax cuts for the top?? I do not see any.........
The campfire burns on and on pretty much like the discourse above.
ProSense (1000+ posts) Sun Apr-10-11 11:10 AM
THE UNBANNABLE PRIMITIVE
Response to Original message
25. "continue participating in the dismantling of the social net"
When did Democrats participate in "dismantling of the social net"?
Here:
Obama signs veterans, caregivers legislation
Health Reform Expands Medicaid Coverage For People with Disabilities
Providing Free Preventive Care for Seniors.
Bernie Sanders: Health Care Retreat Is Beyond Comprehension (video)
Alan Grayson: What I Didn't Hear
"first major federal antipoverty effort in decades"
Federal Strategic Plan to End Homelessness
HUD MAKES AVAILABLE $61 MILLION TO SIX APPLICANTS TO PROVIDE QUALITY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, REVITALIZE NEIGHBORHOODS
Govt announces plan to reduce health disparities
Interesting details about the budget deal
Did I miss something?
