The DUmbasses are still running in circles, pulling their hair, like a bunch of muzzies after a Predator strike. Without nadin's guidance, they have no idea what they should think about the Kloppenmas disaster. What is the script? Where is the tipping point? What is the trend? Oh, and yes, is the milk safe to drink? They just don't know.
AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-08-11 11:17 PM
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Wisconsin: How to steal an election and cover it up.
A wise person once said: "Don't listen to what they say. Look at what they do!"
The excuse given by Waukesha county clerk Nikolaus for omitting over 14,000 votes when reporting the county's voting numbers in the April 5, 2011 election is totally absurd.
Also absurd is the fact that allegedly nobody noticed this supposed "undercount" for the county. If the votes were withheld, it was not done accidentally. It was done with malice aforethought.
So what would be the purpose for intentionally withholding the reporting of some 14,000 votes?
A logical hypothesis would go something like this.
Think of how a magician tricks his audience. The magician gets the audience to look in a certain direction while he sets up the trick elsewhere.
In other words, the most important part of the illusion to enable it to succeed is the distraction of the audience by the magician.
The purpose of the "mistake" in reporting the votes in Waukesha was as a backup plan to prevent a statewide recount of votes in which irregularities such as "vote flipping" could be discovered in other predominantly right wing counties.
In the 2000 election, Florida was the distraction in which a complete statewide recount was prevented. With the country's attention on Florida, and particularly Dade county, little attention was paid to other parts of Florida and, in fact, other parts of the country.
In a close election, only 3 or 4 percent of the total votes need to be flipped to obtain a victory. In fact, the perpetrators wouldn't want to flip any more than that so as not to arouse suspicion.
The right wing did not expect such a large turnout against their candidate. They expected to be far enough ahead so that a modest vote flipping in predominantly right wing areas would be sufficient to ensure that their candidate could win without arousing any suspicion.
This hypothetical scenario for stealing an election, and making it look like an "honest" win, too conveniently correlates with the events of Tuesday's election in Wisconsin.
Kloppenburg's narrow lead near the end would give her a win and was an unexpected occurrence. Just finding a few more votes for Prosser would "trigger" a recount. A recount had to be prevented or any vote counting irregularities could be discovered. What better way to "discourage" a thorough statewide recount than to conveniently discover several thousand "missing" votes in a largely right wing locale.
These coincidences are just too convenient to have occurred by accident. A thorough investigation into the vote counting in the Wisconsin Supreme Court race and a statewide audit are needed.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x849111AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Sat Apr-09-11 12:04 AM
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6. Some information about vote flipping.
If a computer is used to tally votes cast on a paper ballot, you compare a hand count of the ballots with the count made by the machine after running a test set of ballots through it.
In the case of touch screen machines, you can test the computer by inputting a number of votes and seeing if the machine gives you back the same count of the data that you just entered into it.
Tests done on several voting machines done before an election have shown that vote flipping, whether due to software bugs or by design, is a serious problem with some voting machines.
In several cases, these machines with problems were used in elections without any serious troubleshooting of the hardware or software having been done beforehand.
Testing hardware and software is standard practice in the computer business. It is a major component of development and maintenance.
It's so beautiful to see their distress. Freudenschade! After decades of seeing Cuyahoga County (Cleveland) and Cook County (Chicago) come in hours after every other vote is counted, adding hundreds of thousands of bogus democrat votes to swing the entire state, it's nice for once to win one in overtime. Unlike the democrat system, though, these deciding votes were cast by living, registered, human beings.
shraby (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-08-11 11:34 PM
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4. That's what I said last night. The Waukesha votes are a
shiny object meant to hide the real stuff. Only a 10 vote switch in all red precincts if half the precincts are republican would add a good number of votes to republicans from democrats.
3630 precincts divided by 2 = 1815 times 10 votes from each to the other side = 18,150 votes switched.
bbgrunt (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-08-11 11:36 PM
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5. yes. they've got it down to a science.
jimlup (1000+ posts) Sat Apr-09-11 07:52 AM
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7. Yes, this is an important point
I would say that a statistical analysis of these votes should be able to detect such a ploy. Nate Silver, we need you here to more than just a voter participation analysis.
Better yet, they need DUmmy TruthIsAll. His crazy, mind-boggling, addled spreadsheets forced the repukes to give Ohio to Kerry, preventing the reelection of George W. Bush. Oh, wait.
http://richardcharnin.com/Imajika (1000+ posts) Sat Apr-09-11 03:10 PM
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11. So in other words, you have nothing..
Absolutely not one shred or indication of voter fraud, election tampering or anything else.
An entire city's ballots were not reported in the total. That appears to be it right now.
There will be a recount, Wisconsin has paper ballots, the Democratic canvass member agreed with the new totals, the city of Brookfield DID report their votes election night, when the city's votes were correctly added in to the total they matched exactly what they originally reported.
labor4ever (12 posts) Sat Apr-09-11 03:18 PM
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13. As a Professional Software Developer, with Decades of Experience, the Latest Error exposes...
many faults in the current system that leaves me with 0 confidence in their vote tallying processes.
A serious investigation must be conducted immediately.
And no serious investigation will satisfy the DUmbasses unless it includes cinder blocks and chickenwire.
AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Sat Apr-09-11 04:02 PM
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17. Incompetence is often used as a cover up for very clever fraud.
The details of Nickolaus "mistake" are unimportant.
The purpose of her "mistake" would be to distract people from any serious investigation into vote counting fraud, such as vote flipping, occurring in other counties.
The purpose of this "mistake" would be to have the public place all of its attention on this one person in one county, and forget about all of the other counties where the real fraud took place.
This technique worked very will to Republican advantage in Florida where all the attention was focused on "hanging chads", and little attention was placed on the vote counting irregularities that took place in other counties.
Of course, you won't find election fraud if you don't look for it.
"Incompetence is often used as a cover up for very clever fraud." I wonder if the DUmmy can cite even one example of this happening. Just one. Nope.
Cleita (1000+ posts) Sat Apr-09-11 04:28 PM
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24. Somehow they ended up not being counted, or counted
twice. It seems that the canvass isn't good enough and needs tighter protocols.
PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Sat Apr-09-11 04:29 PM
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25. It seems the canvass did exactly what it was designed to do - catch errors
Cleita (1000+ posts) Sat Apr-09-11 04:35 PM
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28. I don't want to start a pissing match with you, but it
seems the missing votes thing is what happened in Florida during the 2000 presidential election which emboldened the Supreme Court to do what it did, and I'm not satisfied that this was above board considering the people who were in charge and where their loyalties lie. The missing votes suddenly turning up thing is very common in voter fraud around the world. The next step is to make the voters so afraid to show up and vote contrary to the party in power that only those voting in favor of the ruling party show up so that the ruling party often wins with close to 100% of the vote.
Now that is funny! There has never been a pissing match that DUmmy Cleita didn't want to join. And what she said about Florida makes no sense whatever.
