More irresponsible pet owners

[thelaughingman]

Thought I'd start a new thread as the other one is pretty advanced.

We have neighbors who lost their dog the first week we moved into our new home.  They allowed the dog the run of the neighborhood (probably should've called the cops, because I don't think that's legal) and it got hit by a car at dusk while it was crossing the street.  My son and I were outside raking leaves and he saw it happen.  I went to inform the neighbors.  The wife was home with her young children and she was pretty distraught.  Another neighbor came to help while I called the vet because the dog wasn't quite dead yet.  It died while I was talking to the vet.

Fast forward a few weeks.

The neighbors have not one, but TWO new puppies and guess what they (they neighbors) do.  You'll never guess.  (Yes, you actually will.)  They let the dogs run around the neighborhood!!!     Some people never learn.  I wonder how many dogs they will lose before they think, "Hey, maybe we shouldn't do this."

[TexasCop]

Did you help it out of its suffering?
 

[Evil_Conservative]

It should be against the law to let dogs roam around freely.  We live in a township of Las Vegas and have leash laws.  I don't see why your area wouldn't.  Call animal control and report it.

[Boudicca]

Those puppies need a better caregiver than the family they've been unlucky enough to be adopted into.  Call animal control.  Even if perchance there are no leash laws in your neighborhood, which would be rather odd, animal control can still confiscate dogs if they're perceived to be in danger; just make sure you take some pictures of the puppies running loose so it's not your word against the neighbor's.  And I'm sure you can do all this anonymously.

[Eupher]

Those puppies need a better caregiver than the family they've been unlucky enough to be adopted into.  Call animal control.  Even if perchance there are no leash laws in your neighborhood, which would be rather odd, animal control can still confiscate dogs if they're perceived to be in danger; just make sure you take some pictures of the puppies running loose so it's not your word against the neighbor's.  And I'm sure you can do all this anonymously.

Agreed. Having an animal means being responsible for its safety and its well-being, not just for the personal satisfaction of the owner. And chaining the dog up isn't the answer either.

Sounds like the resident asshat needs to put up a fence, but if you see the puppies running loose, a call to animal control hopefully will put an end to it.

But I doubt it. Some people just don't learn.

[vesta111]

Agreed. Having an animal means being responsible for its safety and its well-being, not just for the personal satisfaction of the owner. And chaining the dog up isn't the answer either.

Sounds like the resident asshat needs to put up a fence, but if you see the puppies running loose, a call to animal control hopefully will put an end to it.

But I doubt it. Some people just don't learn.

Depends if you live in the boonies with 40 acres of land and you can let a dog run free without bothering the neighbors and getting into the road.   

Chaining up a dog will just make it nuts, if it gets loose there is no telling what it may do.    Chain a dog is to prevent them from getting exercise and a feel for their area, poor dogs get hyper protective of their area and this spells trouble.

It upsets me to see dogs placed in kennels, dogs are pack animal and if kept 18 hours a day  /7 days away from their humans and any part of their life, they go as strange as a human child would under that circumstance.

Farmers keep dogs in the barn, but these dogs are not chained and have a protective instinct for the cows and sheep and they seldom go 8 hours without a humane to follow or bond with.

Dogs that are let to run free often become what we call Coydogs, dogs that have been abandoned that gather in packs and run down deer or as they have been domesticated have no fear of humans and will attack small children or other small dogs, cats and whatever they can find to eat.

[whiffleball]

This is beyond irresponsible:  http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/03/newark_woman_charged_in_abused.html

[BlueStateSaint]

Agreed. Having an animal means being responsible for its safety and its well-being, not just for the personal satisfaction of the owner. And chaining the dog up isn't the answer either.

Sounds like the resident asshat needs to put up a fence, but if you see the puppies running loose, a call to animal control hopefully will put an end to it.

But I doubt it. Some people just don't learn.

On a related note, when we adopted a cat, she was a neglected cat that had been an outdoor cat.  The only time she sees the outdoors is from inside the cat carrier.  She still twitches from time to time, when she sees something through the window that she feels that she can kill.

Keeping cats inside greatly increases their life expectancy--especially around here, where the coyotes have learned that they like cat flesh.

[vesta111]

http://www.unitedwildlife.com/AnimalsFeralDogs.html


At one time this was the norm, tourists would come here, rent a summer camp for 3 months , go to the SPCA to adopt a dog to keep the kids amused for the summer.

When it came time to go home many would just pack up, go back to the city and leave the dogs to fend for themselves.    We locals called these abandoned pets Coydogs.

Alone , confused, these dogs did in fact meet up and became packs that hunted down what ever they could find to eat. These dogs were between the trust and distrust of humans, when they were run off, or shot at they became dangerous, even a poodle would turn feral.    

These dogs were use to humans and had trusted them, now they feared people, but still could not overcome domestication.     Most every dog will chase pray, in just one instance do I know of a way up in Maine 3 kids ,little ones got off a school bus and were attacked by a group of Feral dogs.

Deer hunting when the hunters were not hunting just checking out the areas the deer were to be found  saw that something was running the pregnant dear to their death. At that time the wolves and coyotes had not come into the area.

It became a big thing here, all dog owners were warned to keep their dogs under controll and not roam free.  Any dog caught in the woods be it a Lab, Shepard or other large dog would be shot as a  deer runner.  

That has all gone today, now that the Wolfe and coyote has moved in.   Was interesting at that long ago time,
people began to keep their pets under controll and the SPCA began to ask questions on people that were summertime visitors about why they wanted to adopt.

In one SPCA in New Hampshire the SPCA does in fact profile the adopters if they are Asian as in this state it is legal to raise dogs for food.

[Eupher]

Depends if you live in the boonies with 40 acres of land and you can let a dog run free without bothering the neighbors and getting into the road.    

Chaining up a dog will just make it nuts, if it gets loose there is no telling what it may do.    Chain a dog is to prevent them from getting exercise and a feel for their area, poor dogs get hyper protective of their area and this spells trouble.

It upsets me to see dogs placed in kennels, dogs are pack animal and if kept 18 hours a day  /7 days away from their humans and any part of their life, they go as strange as a human child would under that circumstance.

Farmers keep dogs in the barn, but these dogs are not chained and have a protective instinct for the cows and sheep and they seldom go 8 hours without a humane to follow or bond with.

Dogs that are let to run free often become what we call Coydogs, dogs that have been abandoned that gather in packs and run down deer or as they have been domesticated have no fear of humans and will attack small children or other small dogs, cats and whatever they can find to eat.

Well, vesta, once again you've taken the topic and run off the end of the earth with it.

I specifically said, "it sounds like the resident asshat needs to put up a fence..." a practice that would have kept the dog that got run over alive. That means, of course, that the resident asshat doesn't have 40 acres and lives out in the boonies.

That makes that point of your post completely irrelevant to the discussion. But relevancy is not one of your strong suits, is it?  

This next part is not meant for you, vesta, since you have difficulty staying on point. Read it if you like, but please note I'm not expecting a reply -- though that, of course, is a flaming invitation for you to do so. *sigh*

Anyway....

I live out in the boonies, but I don't have 40 acres. I have a little over three acres. I also live adjacent to a county road with a 55 mph speed limit. More than one animal has been obliterated by the traffic that hurtles along that road.

Ergo, my conclusion is -- if I'm going to get a dog, which is what Mrs E finally bludgeoned me into -- I've got to put up a fence.

About $400 later, a shitload of cattle panels and 6-ft. T-posts and a lot of digging for post holes/gates, I've got a fenced-in area of about 1.5 acres in which both our dogs can run as they please. I should note that while we have a kennel, both our dogs do not live in the kennel 24/7. When we come home from work, they are permitted outdoors to do their business, then they come indoors with us.

They are protected and safe while outdoors, unless some kind of weird shit happens.

That is responsible pet ownership.

[IassaFTots]

And, I might add that responsible pet ownership means registering your dog with the city.  If you live in a city, of course.

[vesta111]

Well, vesta, once again you've taken the topic and run off the end of the earth with it.

I specifically said, "it sounds like the resident asshat needs to put up a fence..." a practice that would have kept the dog that got run over alive. That means, of course, that the resident asshat doesn't have 40 acres and lives out in the boonies.

That makes that point of your post completely irrelevant to the discussion. But relevancy is not one of your strong suits, is it?  

This next part is not meant for you, vesta, since you have difficulty staying on point. Read it if you like, but please note I'm not expecting a reply -- though that, of course, is a flaming invitation for you to do so. *sigh*

Anyway....

I live out in the boonies, but I don't have 40 acres. I have a little over three acres. I also live adjacent to a county road with a 55 mph speed limit. More than one animal has been obliterated by the traffic that hurtles along that road.

Ergo, my conclusion is -- if I'm going to get a dog, which is what Mrs E finally bludgeoned me into -- I've got to put up a fence.

About $400 later, a shitload of cattle panels and 6-ft. T-posts and a lot of digging for post holes/gates, I've got a fenced-in area of about 1.5 acres in which both our dogs can run as they please. I should note that while we have a kennel, both our dogs do not live in the kennel 24/7. When we come home from work, they are permitted outdoors to do their business, then they come indoors with us.

They are protected and safe while outdoors, unless some kind of weird shit happens.

That is responsible pet ownership.

I am sitting here wondering about the cost to fence 1.5 acres-------Amazes me that anyone can fence in that amount of land as cheap as you did. You and your wife spent some money to protect your pets---Great for you you, my respect for you is going higher.

May I ask what breed of dogs you have, the reason I ask is I had a Saint Bernard that had 3 acres to roam but he seldom left the patio or home, he was more interested in guarding the baby's then moving but 100 feet from the house.   Strange dog, all that land to roam about but he insisted to be at the side of my 9 month baby the 18 month old baby and the 4 year old.  Huge dog short hair Saint and would climb in bed with the 8 year old during a thunder storm.

We would take him hiking, off leash into the Red Woods in N. California and he had a chance to run to play to check things out, but he never left our side.  No way would he leave us to play, hunt or sniff about as dogs do, he was keeping an eye on the baby's and the 2 other kids and us.

 Not trained to do so, I got him out of a dog pound the day after my home was broken into, Scared the jeepers out of me,   I had to face down a punk in my home with 4 kids in the house. so I called the pound and asked what they had for the biggest dog, they told me a Saint Bernard whose family was going over seas---

I went to get him sight unknown at night my babysitter had the kids in bed and I picked up this dog, and it took 3 people to to put him in my car, poor dog was discombobulated.  I got the beast home opened the sliders to the back door that led in a good size back yard and ---Hid and watch.
 

[vesta111]

I am sitting here wondering about the cost to fence 1.5 acres-------Amazes me that anyone can fence in that amount of land as cheap as you did. You and your wife spent some money to protect your pets---Great for you you, my respect for you is going higher.

May I ask what breed of dogs you have, the reason I ask is I had a Saint Bernard that had 3 acres to roam but he seldom left the patio or home, he was more interested in guarding the baby's then moving but 100 feet from the house.   Strange dog, all that land to roam about but he insisted to be at the side of my 9 month baby the 18 month old baby and the 4 year old.  Huge dog short hair Saint and would climb in bed with the 8 year old during a thunder storm.

We would take him hiking, off leash into the Red Woods in N. California and he had a chance to run to play to check things out, but he never left our side.  No way would he leave us to play, hunt or sniff about as dogs do, he was keeping an eye on the baby's and the 2 other kids and us.

 Not trained to do so, I got him out of a dog pound the day after my home was broken into, Scared the jeepers out of me,   I had to face down a punk in my home with 4 kids in the house. so I called the pound and asked what they had for the biggest dog, they told me a Saint Bernard whose family was going over seas---

I went to get him sight unknown at night my babysitter had the kids in bed and I picked up this dog, and it took 3 people to to put him in my car, poor dog was discombobulated.  I got the beast home opened the sliders to the back door that led in a good size back yard and ---Hid and watch.
 

The people that had helped me get this huge dog home and I had just gotten the dog into the house and left him flat out on the floor at the front door.   we all went into the kitchen to eat pizza and we ignored the beast.

After a bit of food and booze I went looking for the beast, I finally found him curled up under my bed. Everyone went home and as I had not had much drink I could hear the dog as it entered room to room, nailes on the tile. 

No more worries about breakins , but the best WAS THAT TO COME.   

[thelaughingman]

This is beyond irresponsible:  http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/03/newark_woman_charged_in_abused.html

No kidding!  I'm no lover of dogs, but I don't hate them either and that story made me mad.




(On a light-hearted note, though, doesn't that dog look a little like Jar-Jar Binks?)

[Eupher]

I am sitting here wondering about the cost to fence 1.5 acres-------Amazes me that anyone can fence in that amount of land as cheap as you did. You and your wife spent some money to protect your pets---Great for you you, my respect for you is going higher.

May I ask what breed of dogs you have, the reason I ask is I had a Saint Bernard that had 3 acres to roam but he seldom left the patio or home, he was more interested in guarding the baby's then moving but 100 feet from the house.   

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The $400 was the cost in materials. I and a guy I hired to help me did the installation labor. Cattle panels and T-posts are not high-tech items, therefore the cost is not high. All  the same, it took two weekends of busting ass to run the cattle panels, pound the T-posts in the ground, and wire the panels to the T-posts. It took a third weekend to build the gates (4 of them), dig the holes, mix the concrete, and hang them.

We have a golden retriever and a lab mix. The lab mix was dumped in our area, along with her siblings and dam in July '09. We found homes for the other dogs, best we could do, and kept Lexie. She is the alpha dog with the golden, and is very watchful around the house, but is completely subservient to us. They're both great dogs in their own ways, especially with our parrots which had kept us from getting dogs for many years.

[vesta111]

The $400 was the cost in materials. I and a guy I hired to help me did the installation labor. Cattle panels and T-posts are not high-tech items, therefore the cost is not high. All  the same, it took two weekends of busting ass to run the cattle panels, pound the T-posts in the ground, and wire the panels to the T-posts. It took a third weekend to build the gates (4 of them), dig the holes, mix the concrete, and hang them.

We have a golden retriever and a lab mix. The lab mix was dumped in our area, along with her siblings and dam in July '09. We found homes for the other dogs, best we could do, and kept Lexie. She is the alpha dog with the golden, and is very watchful around the house, but is completely subservient to us. They're both great dogs in their own ways, especially with our parrots which had kept us from getting dogs for many years.

hi5  To you guys, all that work for a pet where as some people won't work or spend the time or money to keep their own children out of the street.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12706946

[Habsfan]

At one time this was the norm, tourists would come here, rent a summer camp for 3 months , go to the SPCA to adopt a dog to keep the kids amused for the summer.

When it came time to go home many would just pack up, go back to the city and leave the dogs to fend for themselves.    We locals called these abandoned pets Coydogs.

Alone , confused, these dogs did in fact meet up and became packs that hunted down what ever they could find to eat. These dogs were between the trust and distrust of humans, when they were run off, or shot at they became dangerous, even a poodle would turn feral.    

Never in my life have I seen anything like this. Your stories are so weird. Sometimes I think you are imagining them.

[MP_Sarge]

Depends if you live in the boonies with 40 acres of land and you can let a dog run free without bothering the neighbors and getting into the road.   

Chaining up a dog will just make it nuts, if it gets loose there is no telling what it may do.    Chain a dog is to prevent them from getting exercise and a feel for their area, poor dogs get hyper protective of their area and this spells trouble.

It upsets me to see dogs placed in kennels, dogs are pack animal and if kept 18 hours a day  /7 days away from their humans and any part of their life, they go as strange as a human child would under that circumstance.

Farmers keep dogs in the barn, but these dogs are not chained and have a protective instinct for the cows and sheep and they seldom go 8 hours without a humane to follow or bond with.

Dogs that are let to run free often become what we call Coydogs, dogs that have been abandoned that gather in packs and run down deer or as they have been domesticated have no fear of humans and will attack small children or other small dogs, cats and whatever they can find to eat.

Nope, sorry.

I don't believe in letting dogs have the run of the farm, either.
Dogs don't know where the farm ends, and plenty of dogs have been mistaken for coyotes predating the livestock and shot.

Most jurisdictions don't even require the dog to be mistaken as a coyote or wolf.  If a dog is chasing livestock, it can be shot, lawfully.

Not to mention the potential for the dog to be attacked by coyotes, wolves, etc.

Dogs shouldn't be permitted to roam unsupervised, period.

It is no more humane to let your dog get ripped to shreds by a coyote, another dog, or shot by the neighbor than it is to chain it.

No one advocated chaining a dog on this thread, and I'll be the first to jump on anyone who does.  I promise.

[MP_Sarge]

Another dog suffering courtesy of irresponsible owners:
http://www.waow.com/Global/story.asp?S=14362477

Jake was riding in the back seat of his family's car when he stepped on the automatic window switch.

When the window rolled down, Jake fell out and was hit by an on-coming car.

Seriously people.  How friggin' hard is it to contain your animal correctly in a vehicle?
Danke in the Wrangler:

Danke in the Cherokee:


If you can't fit a crate in your vehicle, then get a harness designed for restraining a dog in a vehicle.
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=639

[MP_Sarge]

Thought I'd start a new thread as the other one is pretty advanced.

We have neighbors who lost their dog the first week we moved into our new home.  They allowed the dog the run of the neighborhood (probably should've called the cops, because I don't think that's legal) and it got hit by a car at dusk while it was crossing the street.  My son and I were outside raking leaves and he saw it happen.  I went to inform the neighbors.  The wife was home with her young children and she was pretty distraught.  Another neighbor came to help while I called the vet because the dog wasn't quite dead yet.  It died while I was talking to the vet.

Fast forward a few weeks.

The neighbors have not one, but TWO new puppies and guess what they (they neighbors) do.  You'll never guess.  (Yes, you actually will.)  They let the dogs run around the neighborhood!!!     Some people never learn.  I wonder how many dogs they will lose before they think, "Hey, maybe we shouldn't do this."

Call animal control, and keep calling.
Encourage your neighbors to do the same.
Take pictures, and record dates and times.
They'll keep getting, and killing, dogs until AC steps in and charges them with animal cruelty and they aren't legally allowed to own them anymore.
People like this don't learn, and we have to step in and protect the dogs who can't protect themselves.

If you have to, you could just pick the pups up next time you see 'em out and drive 'em in to animal control yourself.

"I found these puppies in my backyard.  I *think* they're my neighbors, but he wasn't home and I have to leave soon and I didn't know what else to do.  Here's his address."

[IassaFTots]

Another dog suffering courtesy of irresponsible owners:
http://www.waow.com/Global/story.asp?S=14362477

Seriously people.  How friggin' hard is it to contain your animal correctly in a vehicle?
Danke in the Wrangler:

Danke in the Cherokee:


If you can't fit a crate in your vehicle, then get a harness designed for restraining a dog in a vehicle.
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=639


I have always used a safety belt harness on my dog whenever he is in the car.   I started the practice because I needed to restrain him in his puppy days.  To this day he knows where to sit, so I can latch him in.  (always in the back seat)

[vesta111]

Never in my life have I seen anything like this. Your stories are so weird. Sometimes I think you are imagining them.

Dear Habs,  if you live long enough to find out, there is a world of weird stuff out there.  Actually I find that in memory's of being raised a Navy brat and then raising my 4 kids as Navy brats there is perhaps more laughter and outrageous times then sad or Bord times.

I was very lucky to have been born to 2 very special people, both outgoing and Mom is still a HOOT.  She gets me into trouble all the time.  Lately as my age and health have gone kaput, things have calmed down quite a bit.  But, my MOM still manages to make me shake my head when she gets  spunky, picture Betty White and the comments she makes to the girls on Hot in Cleaveland.

Everyones story's on here are different from my life, a  few I can relate to, so I would guess I can say most have had different experiences then me.   

[Thor]

... perhaps more laughter and outrageous times then sad or Bord times.

"Bord" times?? Is that some offshoot of the Borg collective??

[vesta111]

"Bord" times?? Is that some offshoot of the Borg collective??

Thor, must you nit pick me every time you have a chance ???

[IassaFTots]

Thor, must you nit pick me every time you have a chance ???

Yep.