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Re: Unanswered Questions about Barack Obama
« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2011, 09:50:18 AM »
I don't understand why this non-issue is an issue. The financial institutions gave us Barack Obama. It wouldn't matter if he was a sock puppet, MUCH LESS a non-citizen. Barack Obama has given you conservatives everything you could hope for, and possibly more. He's extended the two wars started by Bush. He's bombed Yemen (always a plus). He's kept as many dictators in power as he possibly can (Maybe a tribute to the soft heartiness of the left?). He is currently leading a coup in Libya for oil and stability (Libya is the third largest EU exporter of sweet crude). He gave the swindling health care companies MORE money which conservatives could only dream of doing. Obama isn't a Republican, but he is a straight shooting **** up, no doubt about that.

His promise to not be a war monger, and give universal health care are all over and done dreams. Pat yourselves on the back conservatives, your inside horse is winning the race.

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Re: Unanswered Questions about Barack Obama
« Reply #26 on: April 02, 2011, 10:17:55 AM »
I don't understand why this non-issue is an issue. The financial institutions gave us Barack Obama.

Nope. Liberal idiots like you gave us Barack Obama. Conservatives didn't vote for him.
Financial institutions just gave him a loan. And he paid them back with interest baby.

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It wouldn't matter if he was a sock puppet, MUCH LESS a non-citizen. Barack Obama has given you conservatives everything you could hope for

Umm...Not quite all this conservative could hope for.

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"...and possibly more. He's extended the two wars started by Bush. He's bombed Yemen (always a plus). He's kept as many dictators in power as he possibly can (Maybe a tribute to the soft heartiness of the left?). He is currently leading a coup in Libya for oil

I wish he was doing it for oil. That would make sense. But I still don't know WTF he went into Libya for or why he escalated in Afghanistan.
Even Dubya wasn't stupid enough to do that.

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and stability (Libya is the third largest EU exporter of sweet crude). He gave the swindling health care companies MORE money which conservatives could only dream of doing. Obama isn't a Republican, but he is a straight shooting **** up, no doubt about that.

His promise to not be a war monger, and give universal health care are all over and done dreams. Pat yourselves on the back conservatives, your inside horse is winning the race.

Welcome to the Conservative Cave BTW.

When a President lies, it's an issue. Obama was a Muslim in his childhood. That's not his fault.
But when he was an adult, he lied to us about it. That is his fault.

I don't know where he was born. He is a US Citizen - until the State of Hawaii rescinds his short-form
or until Congress subpoenas the records and finds there aren't any.

Neither is going to happen. So he is a US Citizen for the time-being.
This is something historians will probably have to figure out down the road.
And I'm confident they will.

But he sure acts like he's trying to hide something.

And he lied about religion. He may have converted to Christianity.
But he was raised a Muslim until he returned to Hawaii. And he lied about it.
And under Islamic law, he was born a Muslim to a Muslim father.
That's not his fault. But it is his fault he lied about it.
 
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Re: Unanswered Questions about Barack Obama
« Reply #27 on: April 02, 2011, 10:24:40 AM »
Nope. Liberal idiots like you gave us Barack Obama. Conservatives didn't vote for him.
Financial institutions just gave him a loan. And he paid them back with interest baby.

Come now, I am no idiot. I have devoted a vast amount of time precisely to not be called an idiot.

 

I wish he was doing it for oil. That would make sense. But I still don't know WTF he went into Libya for.

It's for sweet crude. And it's the reason. You don't have to believe me now, but we'll later find out it was ANOTHER horrible atrocity for resource and stability. Which is to say, that it wouldn't have mattered if the mans face was purple pokkadots and was from outer space. Voting is meant to be a spectacle, ever since Madison. With all the PAC lobbies you're pretty much voting for your favorite company, and I'd argue most of the time it wouldn't matter who you voted for. This next election is to cost billions, and with ANOTHER financial crisis VERY SOON, I imagine Barack or another centered democrat will be put into office. So that the "free-market" titans can go running to the "Nanny-State" as often as it needs to, and then go back to funding conservatives.

For the above "conspiracy" his birth is of no significance.

Thanks for the welcome. :)


*Edit I should also note, that I voted for McCain because of the financial institutions backing! You may be pleased to know.
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Re: Unanswered Questions about Barack Obama
« Reply #28 on: April 02, 2011, 10:29:22 AM »
Come now, I am no idiot. I have devoted a vast amount of time precisely to not be called an idiot.
It was apparently wasted.

You do make a little sense, now & then though.

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It's for sweet crude. And it's the reason. You don't have to believe me now, but we'll later find out it was ANOTHER horrible atrocity for resource and stability. Which is to say, that it wouldn't have mattered if the mans face was purple pokkadots and was from outer space. Voting is meant to be a spectacle, ever since Madison. With all the PAC lobbies you're pretty much voting for your favorite company, and I'd argue most of the time it wouldn't matter who you voted for. This next election is to cost billions, and with ANOTHER financial crisis VERY SOON, I imagine Barack or another centered democrat will be put into office. So that the "free-market" titans can go running to the "Nanny-State" as often as it needs to, and then go back to funding conservatives.

For the above "conspiracy" his birth is of no significance.

Thanks for the welcome. :)


*Edit I should also note, that I voted for McCain because of the financial institutions backing! You may be pleased to know.

Well, I'll take your word for it. In the future, I'll remove one word, 'Liberal' or Idiot', take your pick.
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Re: Unanswered Questions about Barack Obama
« Reply #29 on: April 02, 2011, 10:35:05 AM »


Well, I'll take your word for it. In the future, I'll remove one word, 'Liberal' or Idiot', take your pick.

Liberal. I rather you assume my intelligence is lower than yours, than put a platform under me for which you can make repeated attacks under no basis or knowledge of my lifestyle or my life choices. Idiot is virtual, it's in the eye of the beholder, "Liberal" in a conservative forum, is chum in the waters.

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Re: Unanswered Questions about Barack Obama
« Reply #30 on: April 02, 2011, 10:52:12 AM »
Come now, I am no idiot. I have devoted a vast amount of time precisely to not be called an idiot.

 

It's for sweet crude. And it's the reason. You don't have to believe me now, but we'll later find out it was ANOTHER horrible atrocity for resource and stability. Which is to say, that it wouldn't have mattered if the mans face was purple pokkadots and was from outer space. Voting is meant to be a spectacle, ever since Madison. With all the PAC lobbies you're pretty much voting for your favorite company, and I'd argue most of the time it wouldn't matter who you voted for. This next election is to cost billions, and with ANOTHER financial crisis VERY SOON, I imagine Barack or another centered democrat will be put into office. So that the "free-market" titans can go running to the "Nanny-State" as often as it needs to, and then go back to funding conservatives.

For the above "conspiracy" his birth is of no significance.

Thanks for the welcome. :)


*Edit I should also note, that I voted for McCain because of the financial institutions backing! You may be pleased to know.
You voted for McCain? Then you're right about not being an idiot. You are an imbecile, an absolute ****ing retard.  :thatsright:


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Re: Unanswered Questions about Barack Obama
« Reply #31 on: April 02, 2011, 11:00:38 AM »
You voted for McCain? Then you're right about not being an idiot. You are an imbecile, an absolute ****ing retard.  :thatsright:

Haha, I bet you couldn't explain that position if you tried.

What is this, a veiled cover up for the racist tea baggers? I thought this was a conservative forum, not a radical Nazi xenophobic gathering of tea baggers (Not to be confused with their master syndicate the Republican party).

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Re: Unanswered Questions about Barack Obama
« Reply #32 on: April 02, 2011, 11:39:57 AM »
Haha, I bet you couldn't explain that position if you tried.

What is this, a veiled cover up for the racist tea baggers? I thought this was a conservative forum, not a radical Nazi xenophobic gathering of tea baggers (Not to be confused with their master syndicate the Republican party).

Tryptamine, if they're the tea baggers, what does that make you? 
 
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Re: Unanswered Questions about Barack Obama
« Reply #33 on: April 02, 2011, 05:00:08 PM »

Tryptamine, if they're the tea baggers, what does that make you?  
 
Close your eyes, it makes it easier and less gross.....

Is this you explaining your position? I did not insult you, I was merely stating an observation, which led to an opinion.

I'd like to see you try ad explain what makes me "an absolute retard". I doubt you'll be able to on your own two feet and defending your position without previous disposed of rhetoric that you caught off the air ways. If you are able to stand on your two feet, you can explain to me, your statement, and then, why it would be wrong to have my stance.

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Re: Unanswered Questions about Barack Obama
« Reply #34 on: April 02, 2011, 07:28:25 PM »
You're not from the Harmony Central P*** Parade are you?

You writing resembles some of the *GLAD's in that place. And a lot of them are bailing out from the Imam Barack's rat-infested playpool.
But I don't know any of them who voted for McCain.

(GLADs: Gay Liberal Atheist Democrats/'GLAMs = Gay Liberal Atheist Muslims).

So contribute to this thread. What are the unanswered questions about the Imam Barack you've noticed?

We've settled - he was born and raised a Muslim until he returned to Hawaii.

So what's he trying to hide?
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Re: Unanswered Questions about Barack Obama
« Reply #35 on: April 02, 2011, 07:36:08 PM »
Actually I just have a non-polarized view and belong to no said organization. Not that it would matter, your conclusions are made before the conversation has ended.

There's more to hide than his Birth Certificate. Do you think the biggest tragedy of Bill Clinton was the sex act? No. He murdered many, many people. And supplied arms to many terrorists and dictators. Keeping you worried where he was born keeps you from asking deeper questions where you then will see that it is not black and white. Grey rules the world, and it is vicious. Do you think JFK getting shot was a world changing event? No. Nothing changed. The failure of the Bay of Pigs, to almost ending the world, to upping the aggression in Vietnam. These democrats are no better than the war mongering Republicans. You can argue they're just sneakier as the Hawks are overt and posturing about it.

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Re: Unanswered Questions about Barack Obama
« Reply #36 on: April 02, 2011, 07:38:24 PM »
GLAMs = Gay Liberal Atheist Muslims

Isn't that a bit of an oxymoron?
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Re: Unanswered Questions about Barack Obama
« Reply #37 on: April 03, 2011, 04:47:02 AM »
Isn't that a bit of an oxymoron?

Yeah.

Someone else invented that acronym, not me. But all this is very HCPP.
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Re: Unanswered Questions about Barack Obama
« Reply #38 on: April 05, 2011, 06:26:27 AM »
It's starting to make sense now.

Fascinating article at WND by former Hawaii Vital Statistics employee.

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401

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"Certifications of Live Birth were given to people who were born at home, or to people who were born overseas and whose parents brought them back to the islands. If his parents were U.S. citizens, or if one parent was a U.S. citizen, as was the case with Obama, the family would apply for a Hawaiian birth certificate when the parents came back from overseas. That's normally how you would have gotten on [a Certification of Live Birth] in the 1960s."

Read more: Hawaii official now swears: No Obama birth certificate http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401#ixzz1IeAjrHFZ
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Re: Unanswered Questions about Barack Obama
« Reply #39 on: April 05, 2011, 06:44:25 AM »
This stuff is very interesting and I start to wonder about it and then I say to myself "wouldn't Hill/Bill busted his ass then?"






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Re: Unanswered Questions about Barack Obama
« Reply #40 on: April 05, 2011, 06:47:38 AM »
This stuff is very interesting and I start to wonder about it and then I say to myself "wouldn't Hill/Bill busted his ass then?"

Bill didn't want to ruin his status as the "first black president" and Hillary couldn't get someone else to do her dirty work for her. They always wanted to do as much as possible to keep their hands clean.
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Re: Unanswered Questions about Barack Obama
« Reply #41 on: April 05, 2011, 06:49:55 AM »
This stuff is very interesting and I start to wonder about it and then I say to myself "wouldn't Hill/Bill busted his ass then?"

You've got a point. I've wondered too.

But then, what motivates the Clintons?

Self-interest.

Maybe it wasn't in their interest to bust this story open before the election.

If a short-form certification could be had by any person born to a US Citizen overseas
in the 1960's, this is a HUGE scandal. Hawaii was running its own US Citizenship service -
bypassing INS completely and falsifying public records.

The benefit of being born on US soil is not just that you can be elected President.
It gets you automatic, irrevocable US Citizenship, a blue passport, Social Security Number,
public school enrollment, entitlement eligibility.
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Re: Unanswered Questions about Barack Obama
« Reply #42 on: April 05, 2011, 07:19:20 AM »
Haha, I bet you couldn't explain that position if you tried.

What is this, a veiled cover up for the racist tea baggers? I thought this was a conservative forum, not a radical Nazi xenophobic gathering of tea baggers (Not to be confused with their master syndicate the Republican party).

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Re: Unanswered Questions about Barack Obama
« Reply #43 on: April 05, 2011, 09:18:38 AM »
I was talking this BC problem with a friend who was adopted herself in the 1960's.   She has both her original birth certificate and the new one issued when she was adopted.   

Her original hospital records were sealed after the adoption, but her mother had kept the original certificate.    The only difference in the two long forms are the name and information on her birth farther was removed and the name and information on the adopted father put in its place.  She had to laugh as the certificate shows that she was born to parents that would not meet until 5 years later after her birth. 

She told me that 30 years later she met her birth father and for some reason they went looking for the original certificate but the records had been sealed and the State had no record of the birth.   Finally someone came up with the bright idea of going to the hospital she was born and requesting a list of the names of children born on that date.   Sure enough her name was there.

So if Barry was adopted there will be no original long form as those records would be sealed.  His birth certificate would be under his adopted fathers name. 

 How hard is it to find out what hospitals were in Honolulu at that time and just request a listing of children born on his birthday.???

Then the strange idea that perhaps it was his mother that took the new born  from a relative of her husband  in Kanya and for some reason had to get the newborn out of Kenya real fast by claiming the child was hers and an American citizen -----perhaps to protect an unwed woman in a Muslem country from the harsh punishment she would be given if the facts were known. 

We concentrate on the fathers but seldom ask questions about the mother.    Barry's father's 2 wife [ who is referred to as grandmother in that culture] says she was there when Barry was born, but no one speaks about his mother .

Another scenario is while pregnant his father took on another wife so Berry's mother upset got the child out of the country as fast as she could to make her baby an American citizen and beyond the reach of her husbands family.

All of the above is I know far fetched, but truth is stranger then fiction and any  cockamamie ideas we may think up.  Does anybody out there have any kind of--- way out there---- ideas on what may have happend.???

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Re: Unanswered Questions about Barack Obama
« Reply #44 on: April 05, 2011, 09:51:31 AM »
If a short-form certification could be had by any person born to a US Citizen overseas
in the 1960's, this is a HUGE scandal. Hawaii was running its own US Citizenship service -
bypassing INS completely and falsifying public records.

The benefit of being born on US soil is not just that you can be elected President.
It gets you automatic, irrevocable US Citizenship, a blue passport, Social Security Number,
public school enrollment, entitlement eligibility.

Huh?

What exactly are you objecting to, or alleging here?
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Re: Unanswered Questions about Barack Obama
« Reply #45 on: April 05, 2011, 10:20:16 AM »
You've got a point. I've wondered too.

But then, what motivates the Clintons?

Self-interest.

Maybe it wasn't in their interest to bust this story open before the election.

If a short-form certification could be had by any person born to a US Citizen overseas
in the 1960's, this is a HUGE scandal. Hawaii was running its own US Citizenship service -
bypassing INS completely and falsifying public records.

The benefit of being born on US soil is not just that you can be elected President.
It gets you automatic, irrevocable US Citizenship, a blue passport, Social Security Number,
public school enrollment, entitlement eligibility.

I don't know.  Hillary thought it was, remember it was her team that floated this story to start.  It just didn't get any real traction.  Also, the Dem party bosses and the media were pretty much all in the Barry tank by then.  The only thing she would have accomplished by pushing harder would be to look like a mean, grasping, power-hungry harpy-bitch.

Ok, looking like more of a mean, grasping, power-hungry harpy-bitch.   :-)

The party even changed the rules to suit Barry while people who looked into the citizenship thing were marginalized.  She gets nothing from following that path. 

She might get something by leaving it alone and letting the other side work it, though.  She ain't dumb.

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Re: Unanswered Questions about Barack Obama
« Reply #46 on: April 05, 2011, 10:52:26 AM »
I don't know.  Hillary thought it was, remember it was her team that floated this story to start.  It just didn't get any real traction.  Also, the Dem party bosses and the media were pretty much all in the Barry tank by then.  The only thing she would have accomplished by pushing harder would be to look like a mean, grasping, power-hungry harpy-bitch.

Ok, looking like more of a mean, grasping, power-hungry harpy-bitch.   :-)

The party even changed the rules to suit Barry while people who looked into the citizenship thing were marginalized.  She gets nothing from following that path. 

She might get something by leaving it alone and letting the other side work it, though.  She ain't dumb.

We have to remember, also, that some of Barry's backers are ethically and morally challenged to put it mildly.  Maybe Hillary was "told" it would be best for her to leave the birth certificate thing alone. 

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Re: Unanswered Questions about Barack Obama
« Reply #47 on: April 05, 2011, 11:08:25 AM »
Huh?

What exactly are you objecting to, or alleging here?

Concerning the State of Hawaii policies of COLB:

The laws governing derivative citizenship were different before 1971. Conceivably, children born abroad
to US Citizen mothers who were not eligible for derivative citizenship, could have been issued COLB's by Hawaii.
COLB's state that the children were born IN Hawaii. INS would accept as evidence of US citizenship by birth.

Concerning Obama: (This assumes he was NOT born in Hawaii. If he was - this doesn't apply).

The law governing children born outside the US to US Citizen mothers & 'alien' fathers, at the time of Obama's birth was:

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"a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided that any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States by such citizen parent may be included in computing the physical presence requirements of this paragraph."

Obama's mother was 17 at the time he was born. It would be impossible for her to have resided in the US
for five years after age 14.
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Re: Unanswered Questions about Barack Obama
« Reply #48 on: April 05, 2011, 03:32:30 PM »
This is documented history.. RESEARCH IT YOURSELF THEN SPREAD THE WORD lib media has destroyed all reality and facts

During the process of writing the U.S. Constitution Alexander Hamilton submitted a proposal for the qualification requirements in Article II as to the necessary Citizenship status for the office of President and Commander in Chief of the Military.

Alexander Hamilton’s suggested Presidential requirement appearing in the first draft of the Constitution wherein Hamilton on June 18, 1787 submitted the following:
"No person shall be eligible to the office of President of the United States unless he be now a Citizen of one of the States, or hereafter be born a Citizen of the United States."

Many of the founders and framers had a fear of foreign influence on the person who would in the future be President of the United States since this particular office was singularly and uniquely powerful under the proposed new Constitution. He was also the Commander in Chief of the military. This fear of foreign influence on a future President was particularly strongly felt by John Jay, who later became the first Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. He felt so strongly about the issue of potential foreign influence that upon reading the proposed language put forward by Hamilton that he took it upon himself to draft a letter to General George Washington, the presiding officer of the Constitutional Convention, recommending/hinting that the framers should strengthen the Citizenship requirements. John Jay was an avid reader and proponent of natural law and particularly Vattel's codification of natural law and the Law of Nations. In his letter to Washington he said that the Citizenship requirement for the office of the President should be a "strong check" against foreign influence and he recommended to Washington that the Presidency be open only to a "natural born Citizen", not just simply a "born Citizen" as Hamilton had proposed. See a transcription of Jay's letter to Washington dated 25 Jul 1787 at this link.

The below is the relevant proposed change language from Jay's letter which he proposed to strengthen what Hamilton had proposed for Article II and to require more than just being a "born Citizen" of the United States to serve as a future Commander in Chief and President.

John Jay wrote in a letter to George Washington dated 25 Jul 1787:

"Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen. "

This letter from Jay was written on July 25, 1787. It is historically in direct response to Alexander Hamilton’s suggested Presidential qualification requirements appearing in the first draft of the Constitution wherein Hamilton – five weeks earlier on June 18, 1787 - which required one only be "born a Citizen of the United States". General Washington passed on the recommendation from Jay to the convention and it was adopted in the next draft and was accepted adding the adjective "natural" making it "natural born Citizen of the United States" for future Presidents and Commanders in Chief of the military. Thus Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution, the fundamental law of our nation reads:

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of U.S. Constitution as adopted 17 Sep 1787:

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

There you have the crux of the issue now before the nation and the answer.

Hamilton’s original drafted presidential citizenship eligibility requirement was that a Citizen simply had to be a born Citizen of the USA, i.e., a Citizen by Birth. But that status was rejected by the framers. Instead of allowing any person "born a citizen" to be President, the framers chose to adopt the more stringent requirement recommended by John Jay to block any chance of the person with foreign allegiances or claims on their allegiance at birth from becoming President and Commander of the Military. No person having any foreign influence or claim of allegiance on them at birth could serve as a future President. The person must be a "natural born citizen" with unity of citizenship and sole allegiance to the United States at birth.

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Re: Unanswered Questions about Barack Obama
« Reply #49 on: April 05, 2011, 11:38:35 PM »
Concerning the State of Hawaii policies of COLB:

The laws governing derivative citizenship were different before 1971. Conceivably, children born abroad
to US Citizen mothers who were not eligible for derivative citizenship, could have been issued COLB's by Hawaii.
COLB's state that the children were born IN Hawaii. INS would accept as evidence of US citizenship by birth.

Concerning Obama: (This assumes he was NOT born in Hawaii. If he was - this doesn't apply).

The law governing children born outside the US to US Citizen mothers & 'alien' fathers, at the time of Obama's birth was:

Obama's mother was 17 at the time he was born. It would be impossible for her to have resided in the US
for five years after age 14.

I wasn't clear- this cleared it up.
I couldn't tell from your previous post if you were objecting to Certificates of Birth Abroad, or to the specific circumstances here.
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