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Offline thundley4

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Under capitalism, socialists are FREE to be socialists.
« on: March 27, 2011, 07:17:58 PM »
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Under capitalism, socialists are FREE to be socialists.
   
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Capitalists believe in individual rights, self-determination and voluntary associations. On the other hand, socialists believe in collective rights, central control and coerced associations.

In a capitalist, individualist, and voluntary society, those who want to live under socialism are free to do just that. They can institute mutual aid societies, housing co-ops, subsidize irresponsible behavior, or even establish a full-blown commune for themselves if they are true believers.

Capitalists will not meddle if they choose to equalize their incomes, redistribute their wealth, ban politically incorrect jokes, incandescent light bulbs, meat, SUVs, electricity, bathing, or whatever.

Indeed, capitalists do not object to their choices, because capitalists recognize the right to dispose of your energy and your property as you see fit; no matter how irrational or mindless it seems to them.

However, socialists do not reciprocate. In a socialist society, capitalists are not FREE to follow their own paths and deal with like-minded capitalists without the socialists meddling in their affairs. The socialists point their guns at the capitalists and FORCE them sacrifice their lives to their ambiguous notion of the common good.

Then, the socialists have the nerve to tell us that all this is for our own good. Well, gee, if socialism is really the path to a utopian society, why does it have to be instituted at gun-point?

This country was founded on the liberal principle that the inalienable rights of life, liberty and property, are not negotiable. Socialism is antithetical to that principle; hence, socialism is antithetical to liberalism.
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quinnox (1000+ posts)           Sun Mar-27-11 06:23 PM
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3. Sounds like an argument made by CEOs sitting in mansions
   
Yea, the system works awesome for the super rich.

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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts)           Sun Mar-27-11 06:26 PM
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4. capitalism is fine. Capitalism gone wild with regulation bought and paid for by industry is another
   
matter.

The reason you see this resurgence in socialism is because of the American model of capitalism. It's capitalism gone wild.

However , European countries are moving away from the failed socialist policies and even China is moving towards more capitalistic business model. Go figure.

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WillyT   (1000+ posts)             Sun Mar-27-11 06:32 PM
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7. So I Take It You Were A Business Major ???
   
Cause you sure weren't a History Major.

A history major would know that socialism fails every time.

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fittosurvive (530 posts)           Sun Mar-27-11 07:04 PM
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17. Do you need a weatherman to tell you which way the wind is blowing?

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WillyT   (1000+ posts)             Sun Mar-27-11 07:42 PM
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39. No... But I Rely On Meteorologists To Warn Me When A Huge, Well Organized, System Is Threatening...
   
me, my family and friends, and the very society that WE WORKERS built with our blood, sweat and tears.

And if that well huge, well organized, system consists of human beings doing the same, I expect MY GOVERNMENT to see it, alert us, and take appropriate actions to prevent the impending destruction.

Jail some/all of the Mother ****ers who caused this, and tax the rest to appropriate levels to pay for the services and society that we have been building all along.

A government powerful enough to do everything you want can also take everything from you.

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fittosurvive (530 posts)           Sun Mar-27-11 07:03 PM
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16. Please provide an example where capitalism has "crushed socialism."
   
The opposition of legislation is not a legitimate example, because legislation requires FORCE to implement.

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shraby   (1000+ posts)             Sun Mar-27-11 06:36 PM
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10. I don't believe I've seen so many wrong ideas in one post..
   
some have come close, but you win the prize.

Yet, just like the claims that Fox News lies, you offer no evidence.
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Re: Under capitalism, socialists are FREE to be socialists.
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2011, 08:04:42 PM »
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quinnox (1000+ posts)           Sun Mar-27-11 06:23 PM
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Yea, the system works awesome for the super rich.
I'm not super rich, but the system has worked "awesome" for me. It has also worked "awesome" for nearly everyone I've done business with over the years. I have no doubt it will continue to work "awesome" for hard-working people for generations into the future, DUDE.
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Re: Under capitalism, socialists are FREE to be socialists.
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2011, 08:47:49 PM »
I dare dummies to watch John Stosel special: Freeloaders. Come on DU, I dare ya. 
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Re: Under capitalism, socialists are FREE to be socialists.
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2011, 04:15:34 AM »
Quote from: BEG on March 27, 2011, 08:47:49 PM
I dare dummies to watch John Stosel special: Freeloaders. Come on DU, I dare ya. 

Hell, milady, they are probably profiled on the show!
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Re: Under capitalism, socialists are FREE to be socialists.
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2011, 10:49:39 AM »
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Bandit (1000+ posts)      Mon Mar-28-11 11:18 AM
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133. So what's your point?
 Even if what you say had any merit, what is your point? Do you hear socialist whining and wailing about in some fit to be tied rant about how Capitalistic the President is? All of the Right Wing seems truly upset at Democrats for being socialists...I rarely ever hear Democrats railing about how Capitalistic Republicans are
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EFerrari  (1000+ posts)        Sun Mar-27-11 07:16 PM
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21. LOL
 
Including that despicable little kicking rolling icon, which I can't stand. 



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anarch  (1000+ posts)        Sun Mar-27-11 08:21 PM
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57. What in the world are you talking about?
 "Capitalists will not meddle..."? You are mixing metaphors.
  You don't know what a metaphor is, do you?

Well, fittosurvive suffers an onslaught, but defends himself pretty well.  The magistrate shows up, but I cannot read him. 
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Re: Under capitalism, socialists are FREE to be socialists.
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2011, 11:30:26 AM »
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anarch  (1000+ posts)        Sun Mar-27-11 08:21 PM
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57. What in the world are you talking about?
 "Capitalists will not meddle..."? You are mixing metaphors.

I believe you're correct Karin.  I don't think this DUmmie knows what the word means.  It reminds me of a time I filled in some profile information on a MB and I put 'Avid SCUBA diver' as one of my interests.  I had a member tell me "That was an interesting use of the word avid."

Uhhhhh ... Ok?

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Re: Under capitalism, socialists are FREE to be socialists.
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2011, 11:37:32 AM »
To the OP:

You are correct.  Socialists can be socialists in a capitalist society, particularly a FREE, democratically-based society such as the United States.

Unfortunately, in countries where socialism has been attempted, those who attempt to practice socialism usually end up like this:

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Re: Under capitalism, socialists are FREE to be socialists.
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2011, 07:00:47 PM »
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Re: Under capitalism, socialists are FREE to be socialists.
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2011, 07:01:55 PM »
Quote from: Ballygrl on March 28, 2011, 07:00:47 PM


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Re: Under capitalism, socialists are FREE to be socialists.
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2011, 07:32:19 PM »
I can already hear the scampering of tiny feet.
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Re: Under capitalism, socialists are FREE to be socialists.
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2011, 07:59:43 PM »
Not sure for you DUmmies, but capitalism worked well for me.
Funny how those "rich" can supply the jobs for we, the people, to make money and buy things with, huh primitives?!?!
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