I believe you can support the military action in Libya and not be a war monger

[dutch508]

I left the OP's title as is...

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cali  (1000+ posts)        Sun Mar-20-11 04:51 AM
Original message
I believe you can support the military action in Libya and not be a war monger
 Edited on Sun Mar-20-11 05:26 AM by cali
I believe you can oppose it and that doesn't make you a Gaddafi enthusiast.

I hate the accusations being hurled that those on one side of the fence or the other are all kinds of evil or dupes or misguided.

It wasn't an easy decision for me to come down on the side of being against the military action against Libya. And perhaps some of those who are supporting it have some discomfort about supporting it.

People can support it or oppose it and have honorable reasons for doing either.

Support the troops?

leftstreet  (1000+ posts)        Sun Mar-20-11 04:54 AM
Response to Original message
1. Apparently the talking points are still evolving
 Hell, the M$M can't even figure out how to characterize the "rebels"

This time around the propaganda is all very messy

That is because your leftist ****s are in charge of coming up with the truth to feed you.

joshcryer  (1000+ posts)        Sun Mar-20-11 05:07 AM
Response to Reply #8
11. Nah, if you follow it it's really simple, imho.
 Gaddafi killed thousands of protesters (this is not including "armed rebels"). Protesters and their council asked for intervention from the international community for a week straight. Three cities were razed in 24 hours, hundreds more killed. Benghazi, a city of about 800k was about to come under attack. The UNSC acted under R2P, the first time it was ever invoked since it became law. (Actually, that's not true, it was invoked for Burma, which many DUers are ignorant of, but Russia and China vetoed it.)

Change Gaddafi to Saddam, Benghazi to the Kurds and we are back in the 1990s.

bobbolink  (1000+ posts)        Sun Mar-20-11 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #13
102. As those with a minority view are beig silenced now.
 I am proud of the fact that with all I have to deal with, and the work I am trying to do, that I have paid pretty close attention to the Libyan revolution, as I did the Egyptian one before that.

I've had all kinds of mixed feelings, BUT... I have been listening to the Libyan people, and their opinions and needs and requests trump all the DU judgments against what *I* have come to think. I admire these people tremendously, and since they are the ones in the middle of it and are intimately aware of the US involvment in the Middle East, I must give their views much more weight than the views of the majority of DU (who mostly weren't participating in listening to the Libyans as this was unfolding.)

You are right, joshcryer..... this wasn't a view I came to easily. Having protested wars since Vietnam, this is difficult for me.

Then I remember that we are always fighting the last war, and that what makes this different is that the Libyans themselves ASKED for the No Fly Zone. The Vietnamese, the Iraqies, etc DID NOT.

Woah...Bobo the Hobo posts and doesn't mention she/he/it is homeless?

Nevernose  (1000+ posts)      Sun Mar-20-11 09:54 AM
Response to Reply #6
57. I have a totally different recollection of DU in 2003
 There were a lot of people arguing pretty vehemently, just like now. Most of the pro-war people would say "No I'm no fan of *, but Saddam has got to go." Eventually they either left DU or their minds were changed.

A ditch or reeducation. Sounds like leftists to me.

[franksolich]

Whoa...Bobo the Hobo posts and doesn't mention she/he/it is homeless?

Whoa.  Wait.  What?

It sounds impossible, but I checked; it's true.

[GOBUCKS]

Whoa.  Wait.  What?

It sounds impossible, but I checked; it's true.

She's done that several times lately, and she even joined in the fun when the DUmp was whomping on know-it-all nadin the other day.

[formerlurker]

Then I remember that we are always fighting the last war, and that what makes this different is that the Libyans themselves ASKED for the No Fly Zone. The Vietnamese, the Iraqies, etc DID NOT

[youtube=425,350]68ZaD95FCls[/youtube]

[whiffleball]

Whoa.  Wait.  What?

It sounds impossible, but I checked; it's true.

I'm amazed, but what's more amazing is "the work I'm trying to do now'.  There's where I say Wait, What - Work, The Hobo?

[AprilRazz]

Whoa.  Wait.  What?

It sounds impossible, but I checked; it's true.

She most have expanded the living space in the buick through to the trunk. It's a two bedroom now. Guess that is why she is in a good mood.

[zeitgeist]

[youtube=425,350]68ZaD95FCls[/youtube]

I am at about page four hundred of his book.  Great read but it takes more time than a dime store novel.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Whether or not attacking Libya is a matter of defense is arguable and even those who support the action admit it is in US defense interests in more abstract terms or as much-belated retaliation for offenses long past and already partially answered.

Even then the abstract good is counter-weighted by the abstract threat. Witness the fact that 9/11 hijackers Hamza al-Ramdi and Wael el-Shemari made their martyr video explaining Serbian Christian attacks on Muslims was the motive for their slaughter of 3,000 citizens of the nation that fought those Serbian Christians on behalf of Bosnian Muslims.

We are dealing with a people whose civilization must be replaced or else the people must be eliminated.

I'll leave it to you liberals to decide which is the most humane.

[AllosaursRus]

Whether or not attacking Libya is a matter of defense is arguable and even those who support the action admit it is in US defense interests in more abstract terms or as much-belated retaliation for offenses long past and already partially answered.

Even then the abstract good is counter-weighted by the abstract threat. Witness the fact that 9/11 hijackers Hamza al-Ramdi and Wael el-Shemari made their martyr video explaining Serbian Christian attacks on Muslims was the motive for their slaughter of 3,000 citizens of the nation that fought those Serbian Christians on behalf of Bosnian Muslims.

We are dealing with a people whose civilization must be replaced or else the people must be eliminated.

I'll leave it to you liberals to decide which is the most humane.

After hearin' 84% agreed with Sharia in Egypt, after their so called Rev, I'll go with eliminated, but I ain't a DUmmie, so ah'm pretty sure my vote won't count!

[jukin]

I believe that you can have your head completely up your ass and still post at the DUmp......and i have proof, lots of it.