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Kucinich in trouble now
« on: March 20, 2011, 02:46:47 PM »
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Impeach Obama Over Libya, You Got to Be Kidding
   
Impeach Obama Over Libya, You Got to Be Kidding
By earl ofari hutchinson

Perennial congressional gadfly Dennis Kucinich completely lost his political screws when he even uttered the word "impeachment" of President Obama over his action in Libya. Kucinich has often been the lone, outraged voice, in blistering Obama on everything from his tax cut compromise with the GOP to his Afghan war policy, but the Libya outburst made no sense by even Kucinich's radical rhetoric standards.

No one disputes the legal, constitutional and political need of Presidents to get approval from t Congress when the issue is waging war.

This obligation is clearly spelled out in the War Powers Act. And those congresspersons that made that point were right to make it. Kucinich and the handful of Democrats that rip Obama about Libya certainly know that there is virtually no possibility that Obama will blatantly abuse that power as Bush did in Iraq and Afghanistan and commit American ground troops to combat in Libya. That would be a gross violation of the provisions of the Act.

Obama backed the Libyan no fly zone because the United Nations "Security Council by unanimous vote backed it. The House Foreign affairs and intelligence committees backed the action. The Arab league backed it. And nearly every humanitarian group around has backed it. But most important he backed it because it's the politically and morally right thing to do. Kucinich and others would have screamed the loudest if Obama had done nothing and Khadafy slaughtered thousands in a revenge blood lust rampage against the rebel groups. In his case, and that of every other dictator that's ever been under siege from their own people that almost always translates out to the slaughter of innocent women children and old folk, under the guise of restoring order. If Obama hadn't acted he would have been even more loudly damned as being weak, indecisive and a chronic ditherer when it comes to making tough decisions on foreign policy issues.

He's already heard that slander endlessly from his GOP attackers. So the screams about the president violating congressional trust and prerogatives simply adds to the noise. Kucinich and some of Obama's severest critics among Democrats real goal is to send the message that they don't like a lot of what Obama does and they will pick at every little issue to dramatize their pique at him. They continue to hope that they can nudge Obama from his cautious, centrist stance they loath on issues a little more to the left. Libya is just the latest, and the most convenient way to do that.

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Kucinich has lost his mind!

A U.N. resolution is not a unilateral U.S. action.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x699861

Another god at DU thrown under the bus.
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Re: Kucinich in trouble now
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2011, 03:08:13 PM »
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Re: Kucinich in trouble now
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2011, 03:41:06 PM »
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ProSense  (1000+ posts)        Sun Mar-20-11 03:33 PM
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7. It's a U.N. action
 Congress cannot impeach a President for following the U.N. Charter. It's completely bizarre to even suggest that. ...
Sorry NonSense.
If a sitting president violates the laws of this country, he may be impeached.
The UN charter does not change that.

Might I add...screw the UN.

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Re: Kucinich in trouble now
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2011, 03:43:14 PM »
Quote from: Skul on March 20, 2011, 03:41:06 PM
Sorry NonSense.
If a sitting president violates the laws of this country, he may be impeached.
The UN charter does not change that.

Might I add...screw the UN.



Here, since you're shy I'll say it for you.

**** the UN.  O-)
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Re: Kucinich in trouble now
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2011, 04:03:15 PM »
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7. It's a U.N. action
Congress cannot impeach a President for following the U.N. Charter. It's completely bizarre to even suggest that. ...
Congress is the sole judge of what constitutes an impeachable offense. If a majority of the House of Representatives decides that playing golf is misfeasance, then they can impeach the president for a round of golf. If two-thirds of the Senate agree, then he's out, and there are no grounds for appeal. When Dubya shredded the Constitution, he must have hidden the pieces where the DUmmies can't find them.
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Re: Kucinich in trouble now
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2011, 04:49:13 PM »
 :ohnoes: :crybaby:
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Re: Kucinich in trouble now
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2011, 05:29:10 PM »
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If Obama hadn't acted he wshould have been even more  loudly damned as being weak, indecisive and a chronic ditherer when it comes to making tough decisions on foreign policy issues.

Nonsense got the words right more or less.  Obama, the Dithering Idiot, pResident White House Jock was henpecked into this according to Meat The Depressed.   :rotf:

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Re: Kucinich in trouble now
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2011, 06:23:53 PM »
I'll give Dennis Kucinich this... he is consistent. Stupid, but consistent. As one of the moonbat branch of the dem party he ought to know that you should never, ever go against a fellow dem or the collective will turn on you in a heartbeat and eat you alive.
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Re: Kucinich in trouble now
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2011, 07:42:12 PM »
Quote from: Randy on March 20, 2011, 03:43:14 PM
Here, since you're shy I'll say it for you.

**** the UN.  O-)
Well, yes.
I was being a nice guy. O-)
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Re: Kucinich in trouble now
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2011, 08:07:47 PM »
IIRC correctly UN Charter AR 49 is the one the lefties like to cite claiming Iraq was illegal.

The only hitch is further down the same article it says any nation may act unilaterally to defend itself.

Considering how many time Saddam shot at US planes and supported terrorists that attacked the US and its allies we had a free hand even by UN standards.

I might also add for the lurkers that multiple resolutions were passed in the UNSC to grant the US authority to occupy.

So... :tongue:
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Re: Kucinich in trouble now
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2011, 07:11:14 AM »
This Noob is a real peacenik:

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10. A piece of paper means diddly. War is wrong no matter what's collecting dust in our law archives. nt

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8. Sounds good to me. A decision to go to war should always be met with such action. nt

Oh the squabbling over there!  They don't know what to think. 
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Re: Kucinich in trouble now
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2011, 08:11:32 AM »
Hmmmm...seem to recall that we had UN okay AND an approval to use force in both Afghanistan AND Iraq, but that wasn't enough for you libtards.

And Earl Ofari Hutchinson?  What a friggin tool.  This is the same guy that says Clarence Thomas needs to be impeached.

Idiot.
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Re: Kucinich in trouble now
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2011, 09:21:25 AM »
Quote from: NHSparky on March 21, 2011, 08:11:32 AM
Hmmmm...seem to recall that we had UN okay AND an approval to use force in both Afghanistan AND Iraq, but that wasn't enough for you libtards.

And Earl Ofari Hutchinson?  What a friggin tool.  This is the same guy that says Clarence Thomas needs to be impeached.

Idiot.

And we had a coalition when we went in.  But it is more fun to call president Bush a dumb, go it alone cowboy.

Liberals managed to elect the biggest fool of our generation to the highest office in the land.  And Jimmah Cater will be eternally grateful for that having fact taking away the stain from his presidency (second worst is better than worst).  :whistling: 

The affirmative action figure Backtrack Obumbler, installed by the history making left, has done more to their cause than they can realize or comprehend.  How many little black children want to grow up to be like Backtrack Obumbler now?  He is the greatest failure of affirmative action, a puppet propped up by the man, who, when the strings are cut falls flat on his face.  Hardly the role model for future generations. 


 


 



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Re: Kucinich in trouble now
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2011, 09:55:35 AM »
Kucinich is the one Dim that, while vehemently disagreeing with him, I " somewhat" respect because he's consistent. I don't mind disagreeing on politics, but when it comes to, "well, it's ok when "our" guy does it", you're not pulling for a country, you're pulling for a f'n team.
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Re: Kucinich in trouble now
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2011, 10:40:43 AM »
As said Kucinich is a loon but he does have ethics and has gone up in my opinion. Do I agree with him, no. But he is not a hypocrite and has stayed to his beliefs no matter what party is in control of the White House. 
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Re: Kucinich in trouble now
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2011, 11:25:03 AM »
Quote from: jukin on March 21, 2011, 10:40:43 AM
As said Kucinich is a loon but he does have ethics and has gone up in my opinion. Do I agree with him, no. But he is not a hypocrite and has stayed to his beliefs no matter what party is in control of the White House. 

And, anyway, lots of people fantasize about really, really tall chicks.
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Re: Kucinich in trouble now
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2011, 11:42:57 AM »
Quote from: GOBUCKS on March 21, 2011, 11:25:03 AM
And, anyway, lots of people fantasize about really, really tall chicks.


Considering that Kucinich is somewhere right around 5'4" it would make his wife about my height.
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Re: Kucinich in trouble now
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2011, 11:53:24 AM »
Quote from: BlueStateSaint on March 21, 2011, 11:42:57 AM
Considering that Kucinich is somewhere right around 5'4" it would make his wife about my height.
He claims to be 5'7". News stories around the time of their marriage said she was over 6'. I was admiring The Kootch's million-dollar teeth.
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Re: Kucinich in trouble now
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2011, 12:14:07 PM »
It is the red hair and dog collar that does it for most guys I figure.  :-)

But yes, any Kooksandwich post should really have her picture just because he is such a dork. :rotf:
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Re: Kucinich in trouble now
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2011, 12:17:15 PM »
Quote from: zeitgeist on March 21, 2011, 12:14:07 PM
It is the red hair and dog collar that does it for most guys I figure.  :-)

But yes, any Kooksandwich post should really have her picture just because he is such a dork. :rotf:

Yeah, but you gotta understand, that probably makes her just as batshit crazy as him.
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Re: Kucinich in trouble now
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2011, 12:18:25 PM »
Quote from: zeitgeist on March 21, 2011, 12:14:07 PM
It is the red hair and dog collar that does it for most guys I figure.  :-)

But yes, any Kooksandwich post should really have her picture just because he is such a dork. :rotf:

I thought that was a bandage around her throat to hide the fang marks.
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Re: Kucinich in trouble now
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2011, 12:23:12 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on March 21, 2011, 12:18:25 PM
I thought that was a bandage around her throat to hide the fang marks.

Or the open sores...
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« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2011, 12:27:21 PM »
Quote from: zeitgeist on March 21, 2011, 12:14:07 PM
It is the red hair and dog collar that does it for most guys I figure.  :-)

But yes, any Kooksandwich post should really have her picture just because he is such a dork.
One of the endearing details that were in the news is that she's got a metal stud in her tongue.
That may be why The Kootch has such a broad smile.
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Re: Kucinich in trouble now
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2011, 12:35:48 PM »
Quote from: GOBUCKS on March 21, 2011, 12:27:21 PM
One of the endearing details that were in the news is that she's got a metal stud in her tongue.
That may be why The Kootch has such a broad smile.

She is the third wife for Kooch, right?  Dirt old man syndrome I figure.
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Re: Kucinich in trouble now
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2011, 03:09:16 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on March 21, 2011, 12:18:25 PM
I thought that was a bandage around her throat to hide the fang marks.

Or the adams apple.
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