Jews On A Plane

[dandi]

somone (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sun Mar-13-11 08:48 PM
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Pilots lock down cockpit over praying passengers
   
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_praying_passengers

Pilots lock down cockpit over praying passengers

LOS ANGELES – Pilots on an Alaska Airlines flight locked down the cockpit and alerted authorities after three passengers conducted an elaborate orthodox Jewish prayer ritual during their Los Angeles-bound flight.

Airline spokeswoman Bobbie Egan says the crew of Flight 241 from Mexico City became alarmed Sunday after the men began the ritual, which involves tying leather straps and small wooden boxes to the body.

FBI and customs agents, along with police and fire crews, met the plane at the gate at Los Angeles International Airport.

Airport police say two or three men were escorted off the plane, questioned by the FBI, and released. No arrests were made.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x636907

To me it's not so much the consternation on the part of the passengers and crew. Being ignorant of this particular Jewish ritual myself, I might have looked at it with more than just a passing interest. It's the blatant hypocrisy that is the hallmark of DUmmies. If it had been Muslims, the reaction would have been roundly condemned as bigotry and paranoia. But since it's JOOOoooooooos, well, let's just say DU finds ways to justify it:

pickle juice (48 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sun Mar-13-11 08:53 PM
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4. Prayer and all that goes with is what made boxcutters dangerous to begin with.

Boswell (230 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sun Mar-13-11 08:56 PM
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7. well, it has killed millions
   
over the centuries...

Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sun Mar-13-11 08:57 PM
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12. why would they feel a need to do this on the plane?
   
Seems as if it was done for show.

Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sun Mar-13-11 09:58 PM
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69. There are prayer rooms at airports for this.
   
If they were muslim it wouldn't be tolerated, right? Is the jewish faith that unbending that it doesn't tolerate any change in "the rules?"

And yes, it is for show--if you do it in front of a captive audience who have no choice but to watch, then it's for show. If the people have a choice to move away then no harm, no foul. They could have prayed before or after the flight if they had agreed that it was ok.

BTW, I seriously doubt that God gives a flying hoot that they are exactly on time, as somewhere on the planet their is a time difference.

RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sun Mar-13-11 09:32 PM
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55. I was wondering about that, it seemed ripe for controversy and reaction. n/t

HuckleB (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Mar-14-11 12:16 AM
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96. And all they would have to do is inform the airline and their fellow passengers.
   
When you fail to communicate, your communication tends to be misinterpreted.

blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sun Mar-13-11 09:00 PM
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18. Because everyone knows that the best place for an elaborate religious ritual
   
is in coach class of a fully seated 767... :eyes:

Who involved DIDN'T overreact, from the prayers, the pilots, etc?

Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sun Mar-13-11 09:19 PM
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42. If they are gonna be allowed to strap shit to their heads and chant,
   
I'm breakin' out my ganja and prayin' too! Maybe strangle a few chickens while I wait for some peanuts and a coke.

Cheers!

bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sun Mar-13-11 09:26 PM
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51.  It would sure as shinola creep me out too.

kickysnana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sun Mar-13-11 09:37 PM
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59. New rule. If you are going to do something besides pray silently in your plane seat..
   
you need to let the folks around you know what you are doing. Educational, respectful and wise.

The powers that be have many of the public scared of their own shadow and you will never get everyone to know all religious rituals.

A little common sense here, please.

snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sun Mar-13-11 10:36 PM
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81. This sounds like theatrics. I have never witnessed Jews donning their religious
   
Edited on Sun Mar-13-11 10:36 PM by snagglepuss
regalia and praying in public let alone on a plane. These idiots wanted to make a scene. I don't buy their piety BS.

Yes, those oh-so-tolerant DUers. Remember the case of the Flying Imams? How people on the plane reacted to their prayers and behavior? DUmmies attacked it viciously as being anti-Muslim and xenophobic. But it's open season when it comes to Jews and Christians.

To be fair, some of the moonbats criticize their ignorance, but you know it falls on deaf ears.

[BEG]

They are such hypocrites.  I can't wait for their outrage when the same thing happends to a Muslim again. 

[Thor]

I'll check with my sister, but something inside makes me think that this is a lie perpetrated by our "Peaceful Religion". Muslims are allowed to commit Taqiyyah as long as it furthers Islam. What a better way to test out a situation??

[MP_Sarge]

It's possible they were praying because they'd just heard about the brutal murder and mutilation of an Israeli family, to include CHILDREN.

[BlueStateSaint]

It's possible they were praying because they'd just heard about the brutal murder and mutilation of an Israeli family, to include CHILDREN.

Sarge, H5 for the win.  IMO, you're dead on.

[vesta111]

Sarge, H5 for the win.  IMO, you're dead on.

I find it impossible for every day people to know about all the rites and religions of the world at any time or any place.

Humans have to  be educated in their own faith that there is a time and a place to hold their rituals, and one place is not on an airplane full of 200 or more passengers that have no idea what they are doing.  A plane full of Europeans may become a bit fearful if 10 Haitians aboard the plane decide to light candles and do a Voodoo service.

Unless the plane is going down I do not expect a Nun to begin to read her rosary out loud, or the Baptists to start shouting Hallelujah.
OK then and only then with death immediate do I expect to hear Tibetan Chants, over my own cry to Save us Lord.

A time and a place, Airplanes , trains and buses are not the time unless death is near to practice anyones faith.

When did faith become a public affair, is faith not a covenant between ones self in GOD ?

[MP_Sarge]

I have to take offense at the implication that voodoo is either a religion [it isn't, it is a long dead tradition like paganism, that was briefly revived by the Duvaliers], or a practice common in Haitian people.

My girlfriend is first generation American, her father and most of his siblings immigrated to the US from Haiti.  

All but about 10% of Haitians are Christian.  

[VivisMom]

I find it impossible for every day people to know about all the rites and religions of the world at any time or any place.

Humans have to  be educated in their own faith that there is a time and a place to hold their rituals, and one place is not on an airplane full of 200 or more passengers that have no idea what they are doing.  A plane full of Europeans may become a bit fearful if 10 Haitians aboard the plane decide to light candles and do a Voodoo service.

Unless the plane is going down I do not expect a Nun to begin to read her rosary out loud, or the Baptists to start shouting Hallelujah.
OK then and only then with death immediate do I expect to hear Tibetan Chants, over my own cry to Save us Lord.

A time and a place, Airplanes , trains and buses are not the time unless death is near to practice anyones faith.

When did faith become a public affair, is faith not a covenant between ones self in GOD ?

My first airplane ride in 15 years was my senior year of college, when my friends and I decided to go to Italy for spring break. We had a connecting flight from DC to NY, and being terrified, I had my rosary in one hand and my friend's hand in the other. You can bet your sweet ass I prayed as we took off and landed! When we landed in NY, the people in front of us turned to us and asked (with a smile) who the first time flier was. No offense, just some mild amusement on their part.

People can pray anytime and anyplace they want, it is not their job to make you comfortable. Is there a way to do it discreetly? Yes. But I am not about to tell people they cannot pray when the mood strikes them, especially not if it is in no way interfering with me. I may be curious and ask them about it, but I would never tell someone that their praying is inappropriate. We don't know what their situation is.

[vesta111]

I have to take offense at the implication that voodoo is either a religion [it isn't, it is a long dead tradition like paganism, that was briefly revived by the Duvaliers], or a practice common in Haitian people.

My girlfriend is first generation American, her father and most of his siblings immigrated to the US from Haiti.  

All but about 10% of Haitians are Christian.  

Sorry but a huge number of Haitians and Cubans and those in Mexico---not to mention Louisiana and Brownsville Texas follow the faith. as a part of Christianity.

This faith came from Yoruba in Africa and was brought to America by the slaves at one time.    Because they were not allowed to follow their faith they mixed in into the christian faith.

Most of the followers in the early days changed the names of their gods to the names of Catholic Saints as in Chango was the name they called John the Baptist.   Santa Barbara came from Mary, very complex.

Most people consider them selves good catholics and would be insulted by being called anything else.    Still the faith lives on intermixed with Christianity.

Interesting how religion evolves, Brownsville TX. has the largest company's that deal in the faith.  One can get catalogers on line or write to the Church of the 7 saints there to receive instructions in the faith.

BTW have you ever been to a Baptist church that believes in exorcism, of talking in Tungus and the snake handlers???

And I have not the spelling for this but it was said that 50 years ago the Voodoo stopped the act of ---Palo mendera--, Yet in Mexico we still find people with their Nunga pots full of copper Penny's, iron nails and human genitals to protect the Pot growers.

Darn I wish I could spell better.

[MP_Sarge]

BTW have you ever been to a Baptist church that believes in exorcism, of talking in Tungus and the snake handlers???

I can't say that I have.
But I know a large group of people who were born and raised in Haiti, and fled the country when it was under "Baby Doc" Duvalier.

I'll have to tell them they believe in voodoo.  I suspect they'll be shocked.

[debk]

There are several Baptist churches in this area that speak in tongues, and though snake handling has been banned in the state, it's still done. They usually only get caught when someone dies from a snake bite.

According to the article, the men were Orthodox Jews. Wouldn't they have been wearing yamulkes? I don't know of any other religion that wears them.

I think their prayer shawls, which they most likely had on if they were adding the "little boxes"...also have Star of David on them.

Seems odd to me, that pilots and flight attendents in today's world, wouldn't recognize a yamulke, a prayer shawl, or a Star of David. 

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Boswell (230 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sun Mar-13-11 08:56 PM
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7. well, it has killed millions
   
over the centuries...

Socialism killed hundreds of millions in less than a century.

And yet you persist.

[MP_Sarge]

There are several Baptist churches in this area that speak in tongues, and though snake handling has been banned in the state, it's still done. They usually only get caught when someone dies from a snake bite.

According to the article, the men were Orthodox Jews. Wouldn't they have been wearing yamulkes? I don't know of any other religion that wears them.

I think their prayer shawls, which they most likely had on if they were adding the "little boxes"...also have Star of David on them.

Seems odd to me, that pilots and flight attendents in today's world, wouldn't recognize a yamulke, a prayer shawl, or a Star of David. 

If they were Orthodox Jews, yes, they would have been wearing kippot, since any other sort of headwear would be a tad unwieldy in coach.
And tzittzit too, but if they were seated, they may not have been visible to the other passengers.
Not to mention the high likelihood that they had peyos [long unshaven side-burns].

[vesta111]

At the plant I worked in we often made Kosher food and darn that was a bitch.The Kosher rabbi's came in 6-8 hours ahead of production and drove everyone nuts.   The inspected every nut and bolt of the machinery, checked out any additives we used as of breading  to insure the additives them selves were Kosher.  These dudes were all over the place making sure the the workers wore gloves, hair coverings and were personally clean.  They even went onto the loading docks for the incoming trucks to insure the Kosher products were not loaded with non Kosher products.

We workers wondered at times about the clothing they wore, some had shirts with some kind of tassels on the hem and why they were the only ones allowed on the production floor with out a covering for their Yamaka.

My company at no time explained to us what was going on, no education about Kosher food or the faith, we had just to sit back and wonder.

Then came the workers that are Muslim and became 1/4 of our work force.    We had allot of Asian Buddhists working with us and when the Muslim prayer time came  and the men's locker room was used for prayer time, both Christians and others had to wait to use the toilet or change clothing to have any space to do so.

The Muslem faith is the only faith that demands space to do their prayers, they insist on doing their duty any where at the time they believe it should be done.   

 So one should take their faith and do what is needed but the followers of that faith need to time them self and not expect outhers as IFIRC a college had to build a separate room for for the Muslims to pray at half time during a foot ball game.

[debk]

If they were Orthodox Jews, yes, they would have been wearing kippot, since any other sort of headwear would be a tad unwieldy in coach.
And tzittzit too, but if they were seated, they may not have been visible to the other passengers.
Not to mention the high likelihood that they had peyos [long unshaven side-burns].

I figured the sideburns too, but a lot of guys have those...so that might not be as distinguishable.

I still think the flight attendants and pilots would have known, and allayed the "fears" of the other passengers.

Hmmm. So now it's Christians and Jews being profiled. And the Muslims are still breezin' right through security.

[vesta111]

I figured the sideburns too, but a lot of guys have those...so that might not be as distinguishable.

I still think the flight attendants and pilots would have known, and allayed the "fears" of the other passengers.

Hmmm. So now it's Christians and Jews being profiled. And the Muslims are still breezin' right through security.

Now I have to wonder about the Jewish comunity in New York that have a tradition that the woman shave their heads after marriage, they wear wigs when in public.      How do these woman get past the TSA without removing their wigs.???
 
The biggest problem I see with screening passengers may be in the fact that as we all know males---the dancing boys-- can imitate a female as well as the cross dressers, perhaps even look and appear more feminine then some woman themselves.  So to be politically correct and not do a pat down on a person in full regalia of a female, who knows it that passenger is in fact a man or woman, what  could they if  male have strapped to their body's under all the flowing robes??

On the other hand the remarkable rise in females who for what ever reason [?] decide to become a suicide bomber makes me wonder it they have been charged with a crime and given the choice--to be stoned to death or go out quick and fast.

Very strange world for us in the West to understand.   This is a bit like being able to travel into the past on a time machine to see how people lived 1000 years before America was found.

[MP_Sarge]

Okay.

You are just officially not allowed to comment on any religion other than your own.


Who in G-d's name told you it was common for Orthodox Jewish women shave their heads after marriage!?!?
While many Orthodox [and other sects] women wear head coverings that may be in the form of a wig, it doesn't mean their heads are shaved underneath.  It means they're covering their hair.  Those women would be no different than a woman wearing a burka or headscarf.  

Further, you don't seem to understand TSA practices.
You only get patted down *if* you refuse a full body scan at an airport equipped with a full body scanner, if something doesn't look right on the scanner, or if you otherwise set off a metal detector or explosive detector.  
So, the likelihood that anyone who doesn't want to have to be patted down or otherwise remove an article of clothing will have to, is actually pretty slim.  You just go through the scanner to avoid it.

But more importantly, who told you women don't get patted down by TSA?
Even extremely conservative Muslim women in full burka get patted down by TSA.
If a woman needs to remove a headcovering for TSA, she can be removed to a private room, where a member of her family may accompany her while she is searched by a female TSA guard, which doesn't violate a single religion's modesty practices that I'm aware of.

[AllosaursRus]

I have to take offense at the implication that voodoo is either a religion [it isn't, it is a long dead tradition like paganism, that was briefly revived by the Duvaliers], or a practice common in Haitian people.

My girlfriend is first generation American, her father and most of his siblings immigrated to the US from Haiti. 

All but about 10% of Haitians are Christian. 

No kiddin'! There's more VooDoo in Louisiana than there is in Haiti nowadays.

[DixieBelle]

More here - http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/15/airline-apologizes-for-plane-prayer-scare/

[DefiantSix]

Da JOOOOOOOOOs on planes are nothing.  These are the Zionists you have to watch out for:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YgxI9W_3qU[/youtube]

 

[IassaFTots]

Da JOOOOOOOOOs on planes are nothing.  These are the Zionists you have to watch out for:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YgxI9W_3qU[/youtube]

 

I am glad you popped that one.  Been thinking it since the thread began.   Everytime I saw that thread title, I kept  seeing Mel Brooks.  I know, I know.  Bless me Father for I have sinned.  I pray for the pygmys in New Guinea.

[Duke Nukum]

They are such hypocrites.  I can't wait for their outrage when the same thing happends to a Muslim again. 

They are all made from the right timber to destroy individual liberty. DUmmie/Muslim/socialist/fascist all allies in the end.

[DefiantSix]

I am glad you popped that one.  Been thinking it since the thread began.   Everytime I saw that thread title, I kept  seeing Mel Brooks.  I know, I know.  Bless me Father for I have sinned.  I pray for the pygmys in New Guinea.

To be honest, knowing the depths of anti-semitism to which the DUmbasses routinely descend, I figured the DUmp thread would be making allusions to this:

But fortunately, DUmbshits aren't that talented with PhotoShop.

[true_blood]

Boswell (230 posts)   Sun Mar-13-11 08:56 PM
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7. well, it has killed millions
over the centuries...

Socialism killed hundreds of millions in less than a century.
And yet you persist.

Ahhh,,......the mind of a primitive. How quick they forget.