We must seek agreement on gun reforms [op-ed by Obama]

[cavegal]

http://azstarnet.com/news/opinion/mailbag/article_011e7118-8951-5206-a878-39bfbc9dc89d.html?mode=story

It's been more than two months since the tragedy in Tucson stunned the nation. It was a moment when we came together as one people to mourn and to pray for those we lost. And in the attack's turbulent wake, Americans by and large rightly refrained from finger-pointing, assigning blame or playing politics with other people's pain.

But one clear and terrible fact remains. A man our Army rejected as unfit for service; a man one of our colleges deemed too unstable for studies; a man apparently bent on violence, was able to walk into a store and buy a gun.

He used it to murder six people and wound 13 others. And if not for the heroism of bystanders and a brilliant surgical team, it would have been far worse.

But since that day, we have lost perhaps another 2,000 members of our American family to gun violence. Thousands more have been wounded. We lose the same number of young people to guns every day and a half as we did at Columbine, and every four days as we did at Virginia Tech.

[Janice]

Clearly, the marxist community organizer did not write this piece.

[Ballygrl]

But since that day, we have lost perhaps another 2,000 members of our American family to gun violence.

Of those 2,000 how many lived in cities with bans on guns? what's the ratio in violence between legal gun owners versus unlicensed thugs?

[cavegal]

did you notice this??

But one clear and terrible fact remains. A man our Army rejected as unfit for service

He wasn't gay? What is that sentence for the ones who LOVE the Military? What??? WHAT??? You are a s$$ el heffe!!

When I think I have had all I could take from him...HE DOES IT AGAIN....

[franksolich]

What's the ratio in violence between legal gun owners versus unlicensed thugs?

That's my question too.

Without knowing for sure, I'll bet the farm it's rather, uh, lopsided.

[Janice]

"We must seek agreement on gun reforms"

"We must seek agreement on how much tyranny you can endure"

There, fixed the headline for you.

[Janice]

That's my question too.

Without knowing for sure, I'll bet the farm it's rather, uh, lopsided.

Here ya go. Some stats posted on my site in 2006:

Gun Control

Whether you agree or not, it's an interesting lesson in history.
Something to think about...

------------------------------ In 1929, the Soviet Union established
gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to
defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------ In 1911, Turkey established gun
control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend
themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------ Germany established gun control in 1938
and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were
unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------ China established gun control in 1935.
From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend
themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------ Guatemala established gun control in
1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend
themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------ Uganda established gun control in
1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend
themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------ Cambodia established gun control in
1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million 'educated' people, unable to
defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
----------------------------- Defenseless people rounded up and
exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
------------------------------ It has now been 12 months since gun
owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381
personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a
program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in:
. Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent . Australia-wide,
assaults are up 8.6 percent . Australia-wide, armed robberies are up
44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

. In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up
300 percent.
(Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals
did not, and criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in
armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the
past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is
unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of
the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public
safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was
expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns.

The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.
You won't see this data on the American evening news or hear our
president, governors or other politicians disseminating this
information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,
gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note my fellow Americans ... before it's too late!

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them
of this history lesson.

With guns, we are 'citizens'.

Without them, we are 'subjects'.

[Traveshamockery]

Hey Obamalamadindong!  I have an idea.  Let's let Rahm Emmanuel clean up the thuggery gun violence in Chicago and then we'll talk. 

 

[cavegal]

I would love to see the look on his face if a reporter would ask him about Project Gunrunner???? I know it will never happen. I do know they will sweep Project Gunrunner under the rug. Still gotta wonder how many weapons were tied to that program associated with crimes here? We know 1 mabey 2 agents are dead because of it.

[Janice]

^(Click to listen to ballad)^

Technology aside, I can imagine the old times musta had some grand moments to them ... before the panty waist girlie men took the reins of power ...

[compaqxp]

I still think there needs to be a good amount of gun control. We have tougher gun restrictions and laws here and have far less deaths caused by people with guns. Far, far less.

[Ptarmigan]

Here ya go. Some stats posted on my site in 2006:

Gun Control

Whether you agree or not, it's an interesting lesson in history.
Something to think about...

------------------------------ In 1929, the Soviet Union established
gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to
defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------ In 1911, Turkey established gun
control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend
themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------ Germany established gun control in 1938
and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were
unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------ China established gun control in 1935.
From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend
themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------ Guatemala established gun control in
1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend
themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------ Uganda established gun control in
1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend
themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------ Cambodia established gun control in
1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million 'educated' people, unable to
defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
----------------------------- Defenseless people rounded up and
exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
------------------------------ It has now been 12 months since gun
owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381
personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a
program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in:
. Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent . Australia-wide,
assaults are up 8.6 percent . Australia-wide, armed robberies are up
44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

. In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up
300 percent.
(Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals
did not, and criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in
armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the
past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is
unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of
the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public
safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was
expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns.

The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.
You won't see this data on the American evening news or hear our
president, governors or other politicians disseminating this
information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,
gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note my fellow Americans ... before it's too late!

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them
of this history lesson.

With guns, we are 'citizens'.

Without them, we are 'subjects'.

All those figures are rather conservative estimates. Anyways, no surprise that they all engaged in seizing privately owned weapons.

[Ballygrl]

I still think there needs to be a good amount of gun control. We have tougher gun restrictions and laws here and have far less deaths caused by people with guns. Far, far less.

Do you have gangs in Canada? are your cities over-run by thugs illegally using guns? look at how well gun control is working in cities like Chicago and Washington DC before the law was changed.

[Janice]

More ...

An armed American is a citizen; an unarmed American is a subject.

A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

Smith & Wesson: The original point-and-click interface.

If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

If guns cause accidents, then accidents cause drunk driving.

Free people do not have to ask permission to be armed.

The government of a free people is not expected to "grant" such permission.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

Here's a news headline you'll never see: "85 Million Gun Owners Killed No One Today"

Guns only have two enemies – rust and politicians.

You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

"911" – government-sponsored "Dial-A-Prayer"

Assault is a behavior, not a device.

Criminals love a disarmed society; it makes their job easier.

If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson.

Only a government that is afraid of its citizens would try to control them.

When you remove "the right to keep and bear arms," you create slaves.

The American Revolution would never have happened if the colonists had succumbed to gun control.

__ without the means to exercise God-given rights, we will lose them.

[catsmtrods]

I still think there needs to be a good amount of gun control. We have tougher gun restrictions and laws here and have far less deaths caused by people with guns. Far, far less.

Your an ass! Your comparing 31 million to 310 million. I don't have time but my bet is if gun crime were related to population you have more. Everywhere guns are banned crime goes up! They always add the people that should be dead (self defence shootings) to the count of gun deaths.

[rich_t]

I still think there needs to be a good amount of gun control. We have tougher gun restrictions and laws here and have far less deaths caused by people with guns. Far, far less.

Who cares about how Canada does things?

This is the United States.

[Eupher]

Clearly, the marxist community organizer did not write this piece.

Of course not. He's too busy playing golf.

[JohnnyReb]

Of course not. He's too busy playing golf.

He's shooting some golf's....shouldn't there be some kind of control on golf clubs....and aren't golf's a pretected species?

[Eupher]

He's shooting some golf's....shouldn't there be some kind of control on golf clubs....and aren't golf's a pretected species?

I just don't want to go hunting golfs with him. Something tells me he'd bring Eric Holder with him and since Holder likes shooting at anything that's white, I'd probably get shot.

[DefiantSix]

We must seek agreement on gun reforms

Fine dickhead.  When you finally arrive at the conclusion that you need to keep yer damned mitts off my bloody guns, then I'll cease fire, and we'll have d'accord.  Until then, Μολὼν λαβέ, ****nuts!

[JohnnyReb]

I just don't want to go hunting golfs with him. Something tells me he'd bring Eric Holder with him and since Holder likes shooting at anything that's white, I'd probably get shot.

I hear that Eric and Obama play with black balls.




ETA: I just furnished the off ramp...lets see if Gina takes it.

[TVDOC]

Actually I kinda hope that he starts pushing and campaigning on reviving gun control.  He arrogantly believes that "history starts with him".  If he does it, our local garbage collector could be the landslide victor for the presidency in 2012.

He should ask Bill Clinton about the political wisdom of proceeding down this path.

doc

[CG6468]

He should ask Bill Clinton about the political wisdom of proceeding down this path.

doc

No, he shouldn't. Let him sink by his own methods.

[thundley4]

He's shooting some golf's....shouldn't there be some kind of control on golf clubs....and aren't golf's a pretected species?

Didn't Tiger Wood's wife attack his car with a golf club?

[Airwolf]

Gun control like Nobama wants is for pussies. real gun control means hitting your target and I love a target rich environment.