Global warming bouncy!!!!!111111

[Freeper]

KelleyKramer (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sat Mar-12-11 03:41 PM
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my conversation with a global warming denier   Updated at 3:42 PM
   

I must confess, a long time ago I used to get all worked up and hot under the collar when talking to Ditto head types. Many times to the point of it becoming a shouting match. Maybe its just from getting older, or most likely during the Bush years it was so easy proving their talking points as utter bullshit.

In any case, I was at a small party last night and got into it with a real right wing nut. We eventually got on global warming. Now, I have always been curious about this topic, and what the motivation is for these rightwingers to so vehemently deny it.

This guy just refused to believe warming was taking place. He said something about all the snow storms and laughed.

I told him, 'you do know that more snow doesnt really mean its colder, it just means that its below 32 and there is a lot of rain'

For some reason that seemed to catch him off guard, so then I rattled off everything I could think of...

2010 was the hottest year ever recorded. 9 of the 10 hottest years ever recorded were all since the year 2000. Greenland and the Arctic ice are melting.

In the 400+ years we have know about the Northwest Passage above Canada, now for the first time ever ships can freely pass during the summer.

They are estimating that in the next 10-20 years, during the summer you will be able to sail a boat to Russia right over the top of the north pole.

There are huge chunks of ice, some the size of Rhode Island breaking off of Antarctica and melting.

Just last month we had to emergency evacuate some bases in Antarctica because the Ross ice shelf is breaking up and melting.

I told him about Glacier national park, that almost half the ice has already melted. I said if he wanted to go he better hurry because they are estimating it will ALL be melted in about 5-10 years. (On this one he actually mumbled 'yeah, I heard something about that')

I told him that this topic is the only rightwing issue I can think of that Sara Palin does not agree with. Why? Because she lives in AK and they SEE IT happening. She can literally see it from her kitchen window (I really had fun saying that part!)

I told him that a few years ago, for the first time ever the Iditarod dog sled race had to be moved, they had to move it 200 miles further north because all the snow and ice are melting.

And again, I just dont understand the motivation for these people to so vehemently deny the reality. I even asked him why he would so strongly deny something like weather reports? He said 'because it's bullshit!'

So I told him... look, if I am wrong then everything will be fine, if you are wrong then eventually millions and millions of people will die. Don't you think you shouldn't be so quick to scoff at it, you know, just in case??!!

He slowed down a little with that one, but not much, he still pretty much scoffed at it.

I told him that its more than just hot weather and melting ice, its screwing up the entire weather system. There will be more and more extreme weather. More storms, more hurricanes, more tornados, more floods, and even more droughts. 100 and 500 year floods are becoming more and more routine.

That slowed him down a little more, but it was still clear that there was really no way to change his mind. So I gave up, and hit him with my last shot...

I asked him if he had children. He said yes.

I told him he needed to do something very important. You need to talk to your children, you need to make it perfectly clear to all your children that their father does not believe in global warming, and that their father refused to do anything about it, ever.
You need to tell your children that every single day, so that they will never forget it for the rest of their lives.

With that it pretty much ended. When I first mentioned his kids he started to get really angry, but it was clear he had no idea where I was headed with it and by the time I finished he had a weird look and just mumbled something under his breath. I told him there was no point in going on about it and just walked off.

--

Every time I have one of these encounters I always come back later and second guess what I should have said. I have used alot of those points in one way or another before, the kid thing was new and I have no idea where that came from. In the end I may have made a dent but I'm guessing he will not change his mind.

One interesting thing, when I started stating specific things that have happened, his wife sure did get very interested in our conversation, maybe I won his wife over, but who knows?

But the thing that still baffles me is why are these rightwingers so strongly against any mention of global warning, they can't ALL have a billionaire uncle that owns an oil rig or coal power plant, so I just don't understand what the motivation is???

Yes, the guy was pretty much an asshole, and he clearly hates liberals, but there has to be more to it than that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x626167

he left out the part where the freeper told him that in the 80's they were estimating that by the year 2000 the oceans would be devoid of life. Here it is 2011 and the oceans still have plenty of life.

SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sat Mar-12-11 03:46 PM
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1. Why? They let Rush 'DraftDodger' Limbaugh do their thinking for them
   
Edited on Sat Mar-12-11 03:47 PM by SpiralHawk
and he gets paid $40 million RepubliCorp cashmoneybucks to lie to them, manipulate them, and sucker them.

Same thing for Beck, Hannity, O'Reilly etc. - all chickenhawks. All PAID outrageous sums of cashmoneybucks by RepubliCorp to SUCKER people.

Some day the suckers may wake up and realize the Republicons have been playing them for suckers.

They are likely to be one angry pack of suckers at that point...

Yep we are being used by Rush and the gang. They make it so we are dependent on them for every need and want. Oh wait that is you and the Govt. If anyone is being used it is you goons. The democrats swear that without them you would starve to death. Year after year they promise more goodies for you and just blame the GOP for no free ponies. And year after year you goons vote for them.

Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sat Mar-12-11 03:50 PM
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2. I have come to the conclusion that...
   
the rightwing response to everything... greed and denial of fact.. comes from their genes.

Every species needs a number of selfish individuals who blindly pursue their own goals, no matter the harm to the group and no matter how irrational their behavior is. That way, if the empathic individuals are wiped out trying to save the group, the One-Way Assholes (my pet name for the super-republicans) will survive to carry on the species.

They can't help being One-Way Assholes any more than I can help being empathic.

We just have to see to it the O-W-A group doesn't take over.
   

More projection. It isn't us who want the fruit of other people's labor. That is you goons who expect your cut from every dollar made.

[GOBUCKS]

he left out the part where the freeper told him that in the 80's they were estimating that by the year 2000 the oceans would be devoid of life. Here it is 2011 and the oceans still have plenty of life.

I fished "dead" Lake Erie a lot in the '60s and '70s. The fishing was fabulous. I could have sunk my boat with perch and bass. Every single word from environmental moonbats is a lie.

[Ballygrl]

Weather is cyclical, the fact that it's basically stayed the same for 10,000 years is pretty damn good. BTW it's not Globull Warming, it's Climate Change now, they had to change it because the East Anglia memos showed it's a fraud.

[PatriotGame]

KelleyKramer (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sat Mar-12-11 03:41 PM
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my conversation with a global warming denier   Updated at 3:42 PM
   

I must confess, a long time ago I used to get all worked up and hot under the collar when talking to Ditto head types. Many times to the point of it becoming a shouting match. Maybe its just from getting older, or most likely during the Bush years it was so easy proving their talking points as utter bullshit.

In any case, I was at a small party last night and got into it with a real right wing nut. We eventually got on global warming. Now, I have always been curious about this topic, and what the motivation is for these rightwingers to so vehemently deny it.

This guy just refused to believe warming was taking place. He said something about all the snow storms and laughed.

I told him, 'you do know that more snow doesnt really mean its colder, it just means that its below 32 and there is a lot of rain'

For some reason that seemed to catch him off guard, so then I rattled off everything I could think of...

2010 was the hottest year ever recorded. 9 of the 10 hottest years ever recorded were all since the year 2000. Greenland and the Arctic ice are melting.

In the 400+ years we have know about the Northwest Passage above Canada, now for the first time ever ships can freely pass during the summer.

They are estimating that in the next 10-20 years, during the summer you will be able to sail a boat to Russia right over the top of the north pole.

There are huge chunks of ice, some the size of Rhode Island breaking off of Antarctica and melting.

Just last month we had to emergency evacuate some bases in Antarctica because the Ross ice shelf is breaking up and melting.

I told him about Glacier national park, that almost half the ice has already melted. I said if he wanted to go he better hurry because they are estimating it will ALL be melted in about 5-10 years. (On this one he actually mumbled 'yeah, I heard something about that')

I told him that this topic is the only rightwing issue I can think of that Sara Palin does not agree with. Why? Because she lives in AK and they SEE IT happening. She can literally see it from her kitchen window (I really had fun saying that part!)

I told him that a few years ago, for the first time ever the Iditarod dog sled race had to be moved, they had to move it 200 miles further north because all the snow and ice are melting.

And again, I just dont understand the motivation for these people to so vehemently deny the reality. I even asked him why he would so strongly deny something like weather reports? He said 'because it's bullshit!'

So I told him... look, if I am wrong then everything will be fine, if you are wrong then eventually millions and millions of people will die. Don't you think you shouldn't be so quick to scoff at it, you know, just in case??!!

He slowed down a little with that one, but not much, he still pretty much scoffed at it.

I told him that its more than just hot weather and melting ice, its screwing up the entire weather system. There will be more and more extreme weather. More storms, more hurricanes, more tornados, more floods, and even more droughts. 100 and 500 year floods are becoming more and more routine.

That slowed him down a little more, but it was still clear that there was really no way to change his mind. So I gave up, and hit him with my last shot...

I asked him if he had children. He said yes.

I told him he needed to do something very important. You need to talk to your children, you need to make it perfectly clear to all your children that their father does not believe in global warming, and that their father refused to do anything about it, ever.
You need to tell your children that every single day, so that they will never forget it for the rest of their lives.

With that it pretty much ended. When I first mentioned his kids he started to get really angry, but it was clear he had no idea where I was headed with it and by the time I finished he had a weird look and just mumbled something under his breath. I told him there was no point in going on about it and just walked off.

--

Every time I have one of these encounters I always come back later and second guess what I should have said. I have used alot of those points in one way or another before, the kid thing was new and I have no idea where that came from. In the end I may have made a dent but I'm guessing he will not change his mind.

One interesting thing, when I started stating specific things that have happened, his wife sure did get very interested in our conversation, maybe I won his wife over, but who knows?

But the thing that still baffles me is why are these rightwingers so strongly against any mention of global warning, they can't ALL have a billionaire uncle that owns an oil rig or coal power plant, so I just don't understand what the motivation is???

Yes, the guy was pretty much an asshole, and he clearly hates liberals, but there has to be more to it than that.

One question DUmbShit - did you sell your cars yet and forgo all forms of non-"green" energy?

No?

Why?

Figures!

Note:

hyp·o·crite
noun \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\
Definition of HYPOCRITE
1: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion

2: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

— hypocrite adjective

Examples of HYPOCRITE

1. the hypocrites who criticize other people for not voting but who don't always vote themselves.

2. DUmmys who spout the useful idiot "global warming" lines yet continue to lead a lifestyle that according to their very own words, causes it.

[diesel driver]

I think I found where DUmmie KeggerKramer found his "research":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_temperature_record

It's at the bottom of the page.

[Ballygrl]

I think I found where DUmmie KeggerKramer found his "research":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_temperature_record

It's at the bottom of the page.

Oh no! in 120 years it increased a half a degree?

[diesel driver]

I don't disagree that there is global warming or whateverthehell DUmmies want to call it.

I maintain that mankind doesn't have a damned thing to do with it, and doubt we could do a damned thing about it, even if we did. 

[Freeper]

I don't disagree that there is global warming or whateverthehell DUmmies want to call it.

I maintain that mankind doesn't have a damned thing to do with it, and doubt we could do a damned thing about it, even if we did. 

What part of, taxing people will fix it, do you not understand?
Yeah, I don't understand it either.
 

[thelaughingman]

I think I found where DUmmie KeggerKramer found his "research":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_temperature_record

It's at the bottom of the page.

Ever notice that these people only go back a handful of years?  They never mention periods like the Medieval Warm Period when people had no phone, no lights no motor cars, not a single luxury that would contribute to "climate change."

[I_B_Perky]

Well KellyKramer perhaps you could explain this:

another ice age?

Or this:

How about newsweek?

Or this:

Mars polar ice caps melting

I had another article that showed the so called scientists yelling about global warming... and cooling... depending on the trend... since the early 1900's. Can't find it now. Fact is, KellyKramer, is that the Earth is gonna get hotter and cooler all by itself as it has done since the beginning of it's formation. Ever wonder why Greenland is called Greenland you moron? Ever hear of the ice age? Ever hear that the Earth has been warmer in it's past and when it got warmer it got warmer faster than it is now?

You lose moron. Only the true believers think man has something to do with it now.

[compaqxp]

How often do the make up or post these stories? I see one of theirs posted over here every other day

[BlueStateSaint]

How often do the make up or post these stories? I see one of theirs posted over here every other day

At least as often as the bolded.

[Red October]

Have you ever heard of the ice-age, you bastion of knowledge, you?  How 'bout the so called mini-ice ages of the medieval periods and the 19th century?  The climate of the earth always has been and always will be in flux.  I would have told you to take all of your candy-assed Algore talking points, turn them sideways, and stick them up your ass.  Then I'd advise you to piss away your entire life's savings on Carbon Credits, turn THEM sideways, and stick them up your ass as well.  But I would certainly not have wasted a perfectly good night out by listening to you.   

[I_B_Perky]

How often do the make up or post these stories? I see one of theirs posted over here every other day

I see proofreading isn't one of your strong suits.   

[jukin]

I see proofreading isn't one of your strong suits.   

Sadly it is not one of mine either but I are engineer.

Speaking of that, I have designed over thirty IR, UV, and X-Ray machines. I know a bit about EM energy transfer and control theory of thermal systems. It's the SUN!

Really it is the SUN, So called green house gases have a very small influence (.01% or less) on the thermal system called the Earth. Now water is a whole other matter.  I bet that very few, if any, climate scientists could tune a temperature control loop because they have no idea of the parameters.  OTOH, I bet very few control engineers could write a grant proposal for a hoax and get it funded.

[I_B_Perky]

Sadly it is not one of mine either but I are engineer.

Speaking of that, I have designed over thirty IR, UV, and X-Ray machines. I know a bit about EM energy transfer and control theory of thermal systems. It's the SUN!

Really it is the SUN, So called green house gases have a very small influence (.01% or less) on the thermal system called the Earth. Now water is a whole other matter.  I bet that very few, if any, climate scientists could tune a temperature control loop because they have no idea of the parameters.  OTOH, I bet very few control engineers could write a grant proposal for a hoax and get it funded.

Well I are IT guy so I understand. Unfortunately Mom is an English teacher... an old school one at that... and it has been drilled into me for the last 40 plus years. Nothing worse than sending your mom an email and having her send it back with the corrections in red.   

BTW... she absolutely hates it when I use ellipses in place of commas. Last time I did it she sent me a pic of a hand with a ruler being smacked on it. I need a damned professional editor just to send my Mom an email! 

[FreeBorn]

Ever notice that these people only go back a handful of years?  They never mention periods like the Medieval Warm Period when people had no phone, no lights no motor cars, not a single luxury that would contribute to "climate change."

Excellent point, +1!

[compaqxp]

I see proofreading isn't one of your strong suits.   

Nope, neither is English with it not being my first language and all. 

[I_B_Perky]

Nope, neither is English with it not being my first language and all. 

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They all say that.