Egypt sentences 5 men for homosexuality - Christians at fault

[Flame]

hmmm...so I wonder if TNO would consider the Berkeley Pink Freaks guilty of hate crime against the Marines.  I mean, they are singling out one segment of the population to protest against, and harass.

[Lord Undies]

hmmm...so I wonder if TNO would consider the Berkeley Pink Freaks guilty of hate crime against the Marines.  I mean, they are singling out one segment of the population to protest against, and harass.

The smelly Pink Freaks are committing occupational terrorism, economic terrorism, and attempting to deny others free choice to associate.  Every one of the the pink lesbians and their male puppets, if we applied liberal logic consistently, should be jailed immediately. 

[The Night Owl]

hmmm...so I wonder if TNO would consider the Berkeley Pink Freaks guilty of hate crime against the Marines.  I mean, they are singling out one segment of the population to protest against, and harass.

Are you talking about Code Pink? Unless Code Pink activists do something illegal to protest against the Marines, then I don't see how they could be charged with a crime, let alone a hate crime.

One of the misconceptions about hate crimes legislation is the idea that it outlaws expressions or acts which were once legal. It does not.

[The Night Owl]

You are right. I misread what you said.  I still think it is just as bad either way.

I don't think it is better to terrorize a few people over many people or many people over a few people.

But I guess you are saying DUmmie Land is worse because they are misanthropic and hate the whole of humanity.

We can agree on that.  Liberalism too.  I simply do not understand liberalism's hate of humanity and of life in general.  It's like something out of a 1973 Hammer studios Dracula movie.  Or a modern day mosque.

I have no idea what you're talking about. Perhaps you don't either.

[Chris_]

hmmm...so I wonder if TNO would consider the Berkeley Pink Freaks guilty of hate crime against the Marines.  I mean, they are singling out one segment of the population to protest against, and harass.

Are you talking about Code Pink? Unless Code Pink activists do something illegal to protest against the Marines, then I don't see how they could be charged with a crime, let alone a hate crime.

One of the misconceptions about hate crimes legislation is the idea that it outlaws expressions or acts which were once legal. It does not.

When does murder not terrorize?
 

Murder terrorizes the family and friends of the victims, but in some cases, murder can terrorize the family and friends of the victims and an entire segment of the population. For instance, lynchings conducted by the KKK terrorized not only the family and friends of those lynched but blacks in general. In other words, people hung in KKK lynchings weren't the only victims of KKK lynchings.

Allow me to restate, since you did not answer the question...as usual.

When does murder not terrorize?

Still no answer.   

[The Night Owl]

Still no answer.   

Why do you keep asking me to come up with examples of murders which don't cause terror? I haven't argued that some murders don't cause terror so stop badgering me to present information to support an argument I have not made.

[Chris_]

Still no answer.   

Why do you keep asking me to come up with examples of murders which don't cause terror? I haven't argued that some murderers don't cause terror so stop badgering me to present information to support an argument I have not made.

Still busy telling us what you have not told us.  And still not answering the question...   

When does murder not terrorize?
 

Murder terrorizes the family and friends of the victims, but in some cases, murder can terrorize the family and friends of the victims and an entire segment of the population. For instance, lynchings conducted by the KKK terrorized not only the family and friends of those lynched but blacks in general. In other words, people hung in KKK lynchings weren't the only victims of KKK lynchings.

Allow me to restate, since you did not answer the question...as usual.

When does murder not terrorize?

Still no answer.   

You support additional punishment for crimes committed while the perp had un-PC thoughts/motives...i.e. a murder that terrorizes a group of people.  It's a simple question really...when does a murder not terrorize?

[BlueStateSaint]

Still no answer.   

Why do you keep asking me to come up with examples of murders which don't cause terror? I haven't argued that some murders don't cause terror so stop badgering me to present information to support an argument I have not made.

Okay, then, here's one that you did make.

Quote from: Bondai on April 12, 2008, 01:27:52 pm
Don't forget to correct your incorrect accusation aimed at me...OTAY?


No. I read you right. In response to an article about homosexuals in Egypt being punished for their homosexuality, you wrote...

Some act as though the death penalty for homosexuals is a bad idea.

Only after your confederates rightly disagreed with your disgusting post did you change your tune.
 
« Last Edit: April 12, 2008, 01:57:25 pm by The Night Owl »

And I wrote . . .

TNO, where in that post did he say that he agreed with the sentiment?  Tell us which pixel has that statement.

Well, then?  Answer the question.
 

[The Night Owl]

Still busy telling us what you have not told us.  And still not answering the question...   

Do you have a reading comprehension problem or something? I've already stated that murder terrorizes the families of victims, the friends of victims, and in some cases entire communities, so why do you keep expecting me to provide examples of murders which haven't caused terror?

[delilahmused]

Still no answer.   

Why do you keep asking me to come up with examples of murders which don't cause terror? I haven't argued that some murderers don't cause terror so stop badgering me to present information to support an argument I have not made.

So basically what you're saying is that some terror/murder is worse than others? Two women are murdered. The first one, a white woman, was viciously tortured and beaten to death. The guy who did it to her was also white. The second woman is black. She was shot in the head and died instantly. Her killer is also white. However, during their investigation the police discover an email on killer #2's computer he sent to one of his friends that said, "Hank, I'm gonna go kill me one of those black ho's. Those people make me sick." Now, while "those people" could be blacks or ho's he was talking about, but thanks to the "new and improved" hate crimes legislation, the DA reads the guys mind and decides he meant "blacks". Now, there's this added component to murderer #2 that punishes him more severely than murderer #1. But that's okay...maybe the white girl took longer to die, maybe she suffered more...at least her perp was the same race. Because as we all know, finding an email that professes hatred for a certain race is SO much worse than being tortured and beaten.

Cindie

[The Night Owl]

TNO, where in that post did he say that he agreed with the sentiment?  Tell us which pixel has that statement.

Well, then?  Answer the question.

If Bondai feels that homosexuals should be executed, then I think we must conclude that he applauds Egypt's policy of punishing homosexuals.

[BlueStateSaint]

TNO, where in that post did he say that he agreed with the sentiment?  Tell us which pixel has that statement.

Well, then?  Answer the question.

If Bondai feels that homosexuals should be executed, then I think we must conclude that he applauds Egypt's policy of punishing homosexuals.

Let's go over this again . . .

You wrote:

Only after your confederates rightly disagreed with your disgusting post did you change your tune.

You imply that Bondai feels that way, and is not just pointing the fact that some people feel that the death penalty for homosexuals isn't a bad idea (Islamists, and the government of Iran for example).  Therefore, you're either jumping to conclusions where none was given, and you owe Bondai a huge apology; or you're outright lying, and probably need to take a "time-out."

Which is it?  It's one or the other.  No gray areas here, just like you applied to Bondai.

[Chris_]

Still busy telling us what you have not told us.  And still not answering the question...   

Do you have a reading comprehension problem or something? I've already stated that murder terrorizes the families of victims, the friends of victims, and in some cases entire communities, so why do you keep expecting me to provide examples of murders which haven't caused terror?

You support additional punishment for crimes committed while the perp had un-PC thoughts/motives...i.e. a murder that terrorizes a group of people.  It's a simple question really...when does a murder not terrorize?

[delilahmused]

Still busy telling us what you have not told us.  And still not answering the question...   

Do you have a reading comprehension problem or something? I've already stated that murder terrorizes the families of victims, the friends of victims, and in some cases entire communities, so why do you keep expecting me to provide examples of murders which haven't caused terror?

You support additional punishment for crimes committed while the perp had un-PC thoughts/motives...i.e. a murder that terrorizes a group of people.  It's a simple question really...when does a murder not terrorize?

I'm guessing he believes the "terror" part is okay as long as said murderer doesn't "hate" the protected group the victim belongs to and expresses that hate, before, during, or after the crime.

Cindie

[The Night Owl]

You support additional punishment for crimes committed while the perp had un-PC thoughts/motives...i.e. a murder that terrorizes a group of people.  It's a simple question really...when does a murder not terrorize?

I'll try this one more time...

I cannot provide examples of murders which don't terrorize because all murders cause at least some amount of terror.

[DixieBelle]

Ahem, TNO - go re-read page 11 of this thread. 

[The Night Owl]

You imply that Bondai feels that way, and is not just pointing the fact that some people feel that the death penalty for homosexuals isn't a bad idea (Islamists, and the government of Iran for example).

You need read more carefully. Bondai declared that some people feel that the death penalty for homosexuals is a bad idea and then placed the "censored" emoticon after the declaration to suggest that he curses people who think that the death penalty for homosexuals is a bad idea. The implication of Bondai's statement, in the context of this thread, was very clear.

Let me know if you need further clarification.

[The Night Owl]

Ahem, TNO - go re-read page 11 of this thread. 

Okay. Done. What is your point?

[The Night Owl]

Do you believe in evolution, TNO?

Yes.

[Chris_]

You support additional punishment for crimes committed while the perp had un-PC thoughts/motives...i.e. a murder that terrorizes a group of people.  It's a simple question really...when does a murder not terrorize?

I'll try this one more time...

I cannot provide examples of murders which don't terrorize because all murders cause at least some amount of terror.

...and yet you advocate additional punishment for murders that cause terror.  

[The Night Owl]

Ok, now, is being gay a "choice" or are they just "born that way"?

A loaded question. Homosexual behavior is a choice, but the reason why some people are attracted to persons of the same sex may be the result of genetics.

Science has not determined the reason why some people are attracted to persons of the same sex. I believe that homosexuality, in regard to sexual attraction, is probably the result of genetics combined with external factors, but I haven't ruled out the possibility that it may be the result of purely genetic factors or purely external factors.

[DixieBelle]

You imply that Bondai feels that way, and is not just pointing the fact that some people feel that the death penalty for homosexuals isn't a bad idea (Islamists, and the government of Iran for example).

You need read more carefully. Bondai declared that some people feel that the death penalty for homosexuals is a bad idea and then placed the "censored" emoticon after the declaration to suggest that he curses people who think that the death penalty for homosexuals is a bad idea. The implication of Bondai's statement, in the context of this thread, was very clear.

Let me know if you need further clarification.

Bondai did come back and clarify the post. That's why I told you to go back and re-read the thread. And, I made a small error. I should have told you to start re-reading on page 10, not page 11. Please do that now.

Your accusation was answered and debunked. Now, let me know if you need further clarification. 

This thread is veering off track. I will shut it down if we can't keep it on topic and civil.

If anyone feels the need to call someone out, please use the Fight Club.

[BlueStateSaint]

You imply that Bondai feels that way, and is not just pointing the fact that some people feel that the death penalty for homosexuals isn't a bad idea (Islamists, and the government of Iran for example).

You need read more carefully. Bondai declared that some people feel that the death penalty for homosexuals is a bad idea and then placed the "censored" emoticon after the declaration to suggest that he curses people who think that the death penalty for homosexuals is a bad idea. The implication of Bondai's statement, in the context of this thread, was very clear.

Let me know if you need further clarification.

Bondai did come back and clarify the post. That' why I told you to go back and re-read the thread. And, I made a small error. I should have told you to start re-reading on page 10, not page 11. Please do that now.

Your accusation was answered and debunked. Now, let me know if you need further clarification. 

This thread is veering off track. I will shut it down if we can't keep it on topic and civil.

If anyone feels the need to call someone out, please use the Fight Club.

Hear, hear!  Mega dittos!

Oh, nocturnally foul one . . . 

[The Night Owl]

Bondai did come back and clarify the post. That' why I told you to go back and re-read the thread. And, I made a small error. I should have told you to start re-reading on page 10, not page 11. Please do that now.

Your accusation was answered and debunked. Now, let me know if you need further clarification. 

This thread is veering off track. I will shut it down if we can't keep it on topic and civil.

If anyone feels the need to call someone out, please use the Fight Club.

I believe that what you call Bondai's clarification was actually a reversal. Anyway, if you don't think that my criticism of Bondai is fair, then feel free to assume that it applies only to Patriot Game and Bad Cat since they have no qualms about admitting that the persecution of homosexuals makes them deliriously and unapologetically gleeful.

[DixieBelle]

Bondai did come back and clarify the post. That' why I told you to go back and re-read the thread. And, I made a small error. I should have told you to start re-reading on page 10, not page 11. Please do that now.

Your accusation was answered and debunked. Now, let me know if you need further clarification. 

This thread is veering off track. I will shut it down if we can't keep it on topic and civil.

If anyone feels the need to call someone out, please use the Fight Club.

I believe that what you call Bondai's clarification was actually a reversal. Anyway, if you don't think that my criticism of Bondai is fair, then feel free to assume that it applies only to Patriot Game and Bad Cat since the persecution of homosexuals makes them deliriously and unapologetically gleeful.

By your own admission, you assumed Bondai meant something that was never posted. You read between the lines and refused to accept the explanation. So, no, this is not an issue of whether or not I think your criticism is fair. It's about being dead wrong and refusing to admit it when you've been given clarification. Feel free to continue to disagree with the others though. They are also invited to disagree with you. By all means, debate away. Keep it civil and on topic though. 

Again, consider this a general warning to all. And please use the Fight Club for any beefs you have. It's why we have it.