Egypt sentences 5 men for homosexuality - Christians at fault

[Chris_]

The people decide the laws and the punishments for them. If they decide to execute homosexual pedophiles while giving lesser sentences to heterosexual pedophiles that is their legislative perogative unless it violates the BoR...which is absolutely silent concerning faggotuality.

The Fourteenth Amendment provides equal protection to all citizens.

You propose SPECIAL protection to CERTAIN citizens.

*pat pat*

[Duke Nukum]

The people decide the laws and the punishments for them. If they decide to execute homosexual pedophiles while giving lesser sentences to heterosexual pedophiles that is their legislative perogative unless it violates the BoR...which is absolutely silent concerning faggotuality.

The Fourteenth Amendment provides equal protection to all citizens.

Does it provide more protections in the case of "Hate" crimes?

Could we prosecute Democrats under hate crime legislation for their hatred of America and Americans?

[The Night Owl]

You propose SPECIAL protection to CERTAIN citizens.

*pat pat*

LOL! Arguing in favor of the law treating homosexuals in the same way it treats heterosexuals is not an argument in favor of "special" protections. It is an argument rooted in the idea that all men are created equal.

[Bondai]

In some cases.

Whatever you say, Mr. Bondadinejad.

You never fail to amuse....

[Lord Undies]

"Hate" crime is a designation designed by liberalism to let the normal people know that a crime against a liberal's pet is going to get special consideration.  It has nothing to do with justice and everything to do with power and control.

If we insisted liberal logic be consistent on the subject, abortion would be a "hate" crime too.

Of course, liberalism falls apart under any guidelines of consistency.  Given that fact we are forever assured "hate" crimes will be prosecuted solely on an "as needed" basis.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

The people decide the laws and the punishments for them. If they decide to execute homosexual pedophiles while giving lesser sentences to heterosexual pedophiles that is their legislative perogative unless it violates the BoR...which is absolutely silent concerning faggotuality.

The Fourteenth Amendment provides equal protection under the law to all citizens.

Which in no logical manner can be construed to refer to homosexuality. Homosexuality is a BEHAVIOR and behavior is exactly what the law seeks to modify and punish. Homosexuals have full constitutional rights in that they have the right to assemble politically, petititon for the redress of grievances, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, the right to be protected from unreasonable search and seizure, the right to keep and bear arms, the right to vote etc etc etc

That is what the 14th Amendment protects.

The corollary is: if homosexulaity is a 14th amendment right then necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, etc also must be granted equal protection under the law; but this claim is absurd on its face. Faggotry is a political fad, not a fact of law or morality.

[The Night Owl]

Which in no logical manner can be construed to refer to homosexuality. Homosexuality is a BEHAVIOR and behavior is exactly what the law seeks to modify and punish. Homosexuals have full constitutional rights in that they have the right to assemble politically, petititon for the redress of grievances, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, the right to be protected from unreasonable search and seizure, the right to keep and bear arms, the right to vote etc etc etc

Homosexual acts are behavior. Homosexuality is nature.

[Chris_]

Which in no logical manner can be construed to refer to homosexuality. Homosexuality is a BEHAVIOR and behavior is exactly what the law seeks to modify and punish. Homosexuals have full constitutional rights in that they have the right to assemble politically, petititon for the redress of grievances, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, the right to be protected from unreasonable search and seizure, the right to keep and bear arms, the right to vote etc etc etc

Homosexual acts are behavior. Homosexuality is nature.

Homosexuality is not nature. This gets my vote for most absurd post ever.

[The Night Owl]

I keep knocking the balls out of the park and yet my bitch-slap rating only gets higher. I detect right wing bias at work here! Then again, the number of people ignoring me has gone from 7 to 5, so perhaps I'm gaining traction after all.

[The Night Owl]

Homosexuality is not nature. This gets my vote for most absurd post ever.

Feeling sexual and/or romantic attraction to someone of the same sex is not behavior. ******* someone of the same sex is behavior.

[Chris_]

Homosexuality is not nature. This gets my vote for most absurd post ever.

Feeling an attraction to someone of the same sex is not behavior. ****ing someone of the same sex is behavior.

You said it was nature, which by extension means natural and it is, in fact, an abnormality.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Homosexual acts are behavior. Homosexuality is nature.

Horse shit.

Any anthropologist worth his weight in salt will recite the list of societies with acculturated homosexuality.

It is either a behavior or it is a deviation of normal physiology. You might as well argue kleptomaniacs, dipsomaniacs, necrophiliancs and pyromaniacs deserve special protections for their "natures". Of course the same argument of "biological urge" can be applied to any sexual deviant as I noted--and you ignored--in my previous post. Fags have full constitutional rights as I also listed--and you again ignored--in the previous post.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Homosexuality is not nature. This gets my vote for most absurd post ever.

Feeling sexual and/or romantic attraction to someone of the same sex is not behavior. ******* someone of the same sex is behavior.

You're not suggesting that feelings should not be criminalized in the same thread where you're advocating hate-crime laws, are you?

And before you start sputtering about anti-homosexuality laws being hypocritically applied by anti-HCL types allow me to remind you that sodomy the behavior was outlawed, not homosexuality the (unDarwinistic) feeling.

[Chris_]

Homosexuality is not nature. This gets my vote for most absurd post ever.

Feeling sexual and/or romantic attraction to someone of the same sex is not behavior. ******* someone of the same sex is behavior.

You're not suggesting that feelings should not be criminalized in the same thread where you're advocating hate-crime laws, are you?

And before you start sputtering about anti-homosexuality laws being hypocritically applied by anti-HCL types allow me to remind you that sodomy the behavior was outlawed, not homosexuality the (unDarwinistic) feeling.

Even in Catholicism, being a homosexual is not a sin, but acting on it is.

[The Night Owl]

It is either a behavior or it is a deviation of normal physiology. You might as well argue kleptomaniacs, dipsomaniacs, necrophiliancs and pyromaniacs deserve special protections for their "natures". Of course the same argument of "biological urge" can be applied to any sexual deviant as I noted--and you ignored--in my previous post. Fags have full constitutional rights as I also listed--and you again ignored--in the previous post.

I'm not arguing that all forms of behavior should be protected. That would be nuts. What I'm arguing is that all people, straight or gay, should be treated equally by the law.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

I'm not arguing that all forms of behavior should be protected. That would be nuts. What I'm arguing is that all people, straight or gay, should be treated equally by the law.

Why do fags gain special dispensation?

[Rebel]

LOL! Arguing in favor of the law treating homosexuals in the same way it treats heterosexuals is not an argument in favor of "special" protections. It is an argument rooted in the idea that all men are created equal.

What are you, a ****ing retard? You kill hetero you're charged with murder. You kill a homo, you're charged with murder. There IS nothing that absolves a criminal from a criminal act just because the victim is a homo. These laws have been on the books for centuries, dipshit. We didn't need some ****ing dumbass liberal mucking up the judicial system even more.

[Rebel]

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I just wanted to make sure you weren't arguing that a homosexual and a heterosexual who commit the same kind of crime should be punished differently. That would be un-American.

I support hate crimes laws which increase the penalty for criminal acts which are proven to have been committed with the intent to terrorize or harrass not just primary victims but an entire segment of the population.

 

Just to rehash.

[Ptarmigan]

We don't need hate crime laws. Last time I checked, rape, murder, and assault is a crime.

As for the Kinsey report, it is flawed in every way. Some accused it of being too biased towards White Midwesterners. Anyways, it is meaningless.

[Duke Nukum]

It is either a behavior or it is a deviation of normal physiology. You might as well argue kleptomaniacs, dipsomaniacs, necrophiliancs and pyromaniacs deserve special protections for their "natures". Of course the same argument of "biological urge" can be applied to any sexual deviant as I noted--and you ignored--in my previous post. Fags have full constitutional rights as I also listed--and you again ignored--in the previous post.

I'm not arguing that all forms of behavior should be protected. That would be nuts. What I'm arguing is that all people, straight or gay, should be treated equally by the law.

And they are.  So what's your beef?

[MrsSmith]

This may have been mentioned already, but just wanted to remind TNO that, where sodomy is still illegal, it is just as illegal for heterosexuals.  The behavior, the action, is illegal...nothing else.

[Bondai]

Some act as though the death penalty for homosexuals is a bad idea....

You're thinking homosexuals should be killed? 

In some cases.

And what would those cases be?  For child rape, yes.  That's about the only instance I can think of. 

I don't like the agenda being forced on children.  Live and let live.

These punishment should apply to non-fudge packers as well.

Child molestation.
Knowingly spreading the HIV virus to another person.
Willfully indoctrinating children with the gay agenda.

There are more reasons I'm sure....

[The Night Owl]

Why do fags gain special dispensation?

What the hell are you talking about? No one is suggesting that anyone should get special dispensation... whatever that means.

Read carefully. Patriot Game and Bondai argued that if a homosexual and a heterosexual commit the same kind of crime, the homosexual should be punished more harshly. All I'm saying is that the homosexual and heterosexual should face the same punishment.

[The Night Owl]

This may have been mentioned already, but just wanted to remind TNO that, where sodomy is still illegal, it is just as illegal for heterosexuals.  The behavior, the action, is illegal...nothing else.

Right. I don't think that sodomy between consenting adults should be illegal, but if it's going to be illegal, it should be illegal for everyone.

[The Night Owl]

And they are.  So what's your beef?

My beef is with Bondai and Patriot Game. They argued, with straight faces, that homosexuals should be punished more harshly than heterosexuals for the same crimes. Do you not see how un-American their attitude is?