Scott Walker Prank Called?

[Ballygrl]

The governor takes many calls everyday," spokesman Cullen Werwie said. "Throughout this call the governor maintained his appreciation for and commitment to civil discourse. He continued to say that the budget repair bill is about the budget. The phone call shows that the governor says the same thing in private as he does in public and the lengths that others will go to disrupt the civil debate Wisconsin is having."

That's actually a good response Rev!

[Revolution]

Unfortunately, I cannot lay claim to it.

[thelaughingman]

I posted this elsewhere, but it needs to be posted wherever the topic of this prankster comes up.  He's a complete sack of shit and here's the proof:

http://buffalobeast.com/117/let_there_be_retards.htm

No way the left would ever stand for someone on the right pulling such a stunt.

[Revolution]

Hi-5 for revealing this atrocity, sir. You deserve it. What a disgusting excuse for a human being.

[thelaughingman]

Hi-5 for revealing this atrocity, sir. You deserve it. What a disgusting excuse for a human being.

Pfft!  The people who are crowing about this current prank are the ones who are proudly reminiscing about the earlier prank.  Case in point:

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/02/big_time_beast.php

The link on "Dougie" points to the  "Let There Be Retards" article.

[thelaughingman]

Anyone know anything about the law?  I saw this argument being made:

Additionally, the call was placed from Buffalo, NY.
NY is a one-party-consent state, which means that only one party to a call needs to know it's being taped. No THIRD party can tape, but you can tape your boyfriend threatening to kill you in a phone rant.

A good way to have it, IMO. So there was no law broken in Murphy taping the call.

That doesn't smell right.

[thundley4]

Anyone know anything about the law?  I saw this argument being made:

That doesn't smell right.

Wisconsin has something in their law about calls made across state lines, so the person may have broken Wisconsin laws.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Wisconsin has something in their law about calls made across state lines, so the person may have broken Wisconsin laws.

Not the issue.

The issue is: there is nothing in that call this is illegal, unethical or bad policy on Walker's part.

[thundley4]

Not the issue.

The issue is: there is nothing in that call this is illegal, unethical or bad policy on Walker's part.

On Walker's part,  no there isn't.  Can the caller be charged, is my question.

[Revolution]

^ Well, in speaking with many liberals, I've noticed that their "unethical" bitch is what Walker said AFTER the "Koch" brother asked if Walkker wanted plants in the crowd. I've tried to explain to them that everyone who has a mind, a brain, and a light, and dark side, would THINK about it for starters. However, Walker did what anyone with a consience would do, and basically said NO! Many on the left would not say "No."

These people I have talkked to...they wouldn't budge.

[vesta111]

State laws are all quite different on this.    If a Cop comes to your door in some states he can record what you say and even film the process.
If you record the conversation and have a nanny cam in the area, you cannot use either recordings for defence purposes.

In some States it is Illegal to record any altercation with a cop , or even film a police action happening outside your front door.

Phone recording are another thing, depends on the State, I have myself received calls from Insurance Company's that inform me they are tapping the calls for quality assurance.   When I reply no problem I am also tapping this call they get right uptight and belligerent with me.

It is a crime in some states to tape someone without their knowledge, but using a sound video camera of an act is exceptable.

This Governor has not done the one thing he should have done when he took office, have a well trained staff.  He may be using College Students that have no idea of the Skull Duggery that goes on in politics.  He should have known that no one can take on the Unions without plenty of Savvy back up, body guards and remember Jimmy Hoffa.

Hard lessons for a young politician especially when facing down a TIGER.

[GOP Congress]

Disregarding any criminal laws, Koch can certainly sue for defamation. And should.

Applicable recording laws from Wikipedia (and sources cited in Wikipedia)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_recording_laws

Twelve states currently require that all parties consent to the recording. These states are:

    * California[11]
    * Connecticut
    * Florida
    * Illinois
    * Maryland[12]
    * Massachusetts[13]
    * Montana
    * Nevada
    * New Hampshire
    * Pennsylvania[14]
    * Washington[15]

[edit] One-party notification states

All other states (and the District of Columbia) not listed above require only that one party consent. Michigan's eavesdropping statute seems to put it into the two-party category, but the courts have ruled that in Michigan, a party may record their own conversation without the consent of any other parties but cannot grant that right to a third party[16] There are certain exceptions to these rules. See full rules here.

Of course, if a caller in a one-party state records a conversation with someone in a two-party state, that caller is subject to the stricter of the laws and must have consent from all callers. (Cf. Kearney v. Salomon Smith Barney Inc., 39 Cal. 4th 95 (2006).)

So if the call originated by one of the 2-party states listed above, than a criminal law was broken.

However, there may even be identity theft criminal charges that can be considered, particular if a cell or internet phone were used.

[vesta111]

Disregarding any criminal laws, Koch can certainly sue for defamation. And should.

Applicable recording laws from Wikipedia (and sources cited in Wikipedia)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_recording_laws

So if the call originated by one of the 2-party states listed above, than a criminal law was broken.

However, there may even be identity theft criminal charges that can be considered, particular if a cell or internet phone were used.

This is a bag of worms.

I have not listened to the Court TV programs --Judge Judy etc.-- in Years, however I do remember a couple of cases she had that involved phone conversations in California.

One involved a case where the defendant taped a phone conversation without the knowledge of the caller--that case ruled that the Judge could not allow the tape to be used or listened to.

Another case where the caller left a message on a answering device was allowed.

This leads to the question of do people have the right to tape record conversations in ones own home without telling a visitor.

VA> back in the 1970 in cases involving the Child Protection Agency was turned on its head when Parents felt they needed proof of in compent workers took to recording the conversations of the workers when they came to their home. Phone conversations recorded and in fact investigated the investigates. Big turn over in workers for that Agency, much embarrassing things came to light. 

When someone calls you on the phone are they not just in fact within your home as if they were in the street with a bull horn.

Now to stolen identity, to  call or visit and misrepresent your self as a person with power, say a police officer, the Mayor or who ever and record the conversation under the name of or position of someone is Identity theft.    The person who had their name stolen needs to put the hammer down on whoever used their name for their own benefit.

Rant here , question:     Why did the Governor not have his incoming calls taped himself.   Tapes can be edited and without a tape by the Governor to expose or counter what he did or not say------We have to remember Rosemarie Woods that accidentally lost some tapes in the days of Nixon.