tinkerbell41 (623 posts) Tue Feb-22-11 02:15 AM
Original message
I've come for some sanity.
Unfortunately as crazy as this place is, my Union's FB page is even loonier.
For the past few weeks I have posted info about other News sources since they have been bitching and complaining about the MSM. I guess being the happy little idealist I am, I assumed they would appreciate it. Apparently not. They consider Faux News as reliable.
I have seen word for word postings on Glen Beck's view of the world. I have seen them stick up for
the insanely rich, downgrading their own, I mean my head is spinning. I don't know where to start with them. Even after spending 20 yr. among the dinosaurs, I hoped that they would have seen the light with the Wisconsin thing going on, realizing they better fight for what they have. Silly me, I am like a dog that gets kicked and comes back for more, hoping maybe this time....
I just can't. I can't do it anymore. I have no hope for them. i don't know what it will take. And after reading the Mother Jones article explaining what went wrong between the Democratic Party and Labor Unions, I guess I have my answer. It was the Hippies, and Abortion. Labor Unions couldn't deal with that so they walked away from the Democratic candidate at the time who backed them, stood behind them. And it's when the Democratic party turned it's back on Labor.
How in the world do you get them to move forward, and embrace progressive ideals, to save their jobs? Their livelihood? And how do I save my sanity, while having to walk amongst them?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x478832murielm99 (1000+ posts) Tue Feb-22-11 02:20 AM
Response to Original message
1. I think things will have to get very bad before some
people understand. They will have to be in a position where they have nothing left to lose before they will fight back. Maybe we will have to turn into a third world country before some of them see the light.
During the thirties, there were many people who fought because they literally had nothing.
Obama is doing his best to return us to that.
tinkerbell41 (623 posts) Tue Feb-22-11 02:24 AM
Response to Reply #1
3. True
But the thing is how in the hell are they going to find the truth? I feel like they will come out fighting the wrong people
Fighting DUmmies is fighting the right people.
whathehell (1000+ posts) Tue Feb-22-11 07:34 AM
Response to Reply #3
6. Can you tell us
what union you are in..Give us a hint, at least?
I was a union worker, my dad was a lifelong union member
I'm just curious.
Does it matter? There are lots of conservatives in unions, except maybe for public unions.
tinkerbell41 (623 posts) Tue Feb-22-11 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #6
7. I will say I am in Construction
Edited on Tue Feb-22-11 11:43 AM by tinkerbell41
And after 20 yrs I am seriously considering leaving, I love being in a Union, I love my trade, but unfortunately like I described in the OP I need to leave for my sanity.
Females were forced upon them, they don't like it, don't take us seriously, and really it undermines everything you do. Sure, they have their "mouthpieces" who crow about how their career has been great (chosen ones). You can't tell me I didn't have those experiences I had. There were some really great guys, guys who really took you under their wing. But they are outnumbered.
I have signed up for some classes (healthcare field) to hopefully train for another career. it will be a 25 an hr paycut, and I will probably have to work two jobs, but it would be worth it. I don't think you can imagine what it's like to be up til 1130 at night get up at 5 drop the kid off at daycare, go to a job where they will A) ignore you B) Scream at you C) piss in your hardhat(true)
D) Tell you repeatedly you should be at home E) Tell you after 20 yrs you don't know how to use a drill and then go home, cook, clean whatever for another 6 hrs and look forward to tomorrow.
Here is another one. Have some punk-ass Foreman that started 15 yrs after you pull you on the side alone and interrogate you as to why you got in the trade, what you like about it, what are your specialties. It wasn't to be friendly.
Before I forget, add to all that above sitting on a concrete floor for lunch, working outside in any and all weather, rain, snow, wind, 20 below, 90 with 90 humidity, having bathrooms where there is piss all over, no place to wash your hands, being told to pee in the crawlspace cause there are no bathrooms. I did it, I proved myself I have nothing left to prove.
Minorities were also forced on the unions and still are typically segregated today.
You proved nothing but that you were willing to take a job from a guy that would have stuck it out through the hard times.
RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Tue Feb-22-11 02:25 AM
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5. You have to have the sanity inside.
It is possible for many things externally to not make sane sense, for instance I am due beer and travel money and many experiences, yet that is not here yet, and should be, and will be, because that is just and compassionate.
You know what some think, that I have to fight to keep what I have. **** that, I am due what is not here, why would I fight for what I have. They already owe beer and travel money, not going to fight for their amusement.
everything between that debt and its paying, is some form of irrelevant passing of the days.
Because I am due beer and travel money and many experiences, and I don't have to fight for that, it is due, and thinking I have to fight for it would be some deal or strings attached.
In the same way threatening to try and take anything else, which doesn't mean anything anyways, is just to try to get you in a game playing type thought. Trying to get people to fight to keep something that is theres? What kind of society is that?
I do think people should stand up for their wages, and what is right, but don't fight, just blow their head off. Metaphorically at least, no reason to fight. Side note, I don't fight, I just post videos, because it would be dumb to fight for what is already mine, or to keep something when what is already mine is not here.
whathehell (1000+ posts) Tue Feb-22-11 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #5
10. Everyone needs support...Especially when they're being harrassed for
Edited on Tue Feb-22-11 12:55 PM by whathehell
and made a target of bigotry for something that is a condition of birth, e.g. race or gender.
