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Re: 4 Americans on hijacked yacht dead off Somalia
« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2011, 10:33:20 AM »
Great, the DOJ has 13 more piracy cases to **** around with instead of 15 dead pirates.

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Re: 4 Americans on hijacked yacht dead off Somalia
« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2011, 10:53:03 AM »
still they could have taken a more southerly course out of range.

They were actually hijacked 300  miles off the coast of Yemen, and 350 miles from the easternmost point in Somalia........a normally safe and secure part of the area.  The pirates are apparently expanding their area of operations due to increased naval security in their normal hunting grounds.

You don't sail a 40 meter sloop around the world twice by being a poor sailor.

Unfortunately the lack of will by the international community to just massacre them and sink their vessels has allowed them, through the influx of large amount of ransom dollars, to purchase larger, faster, and more sophisticated vessels, better arms and electronic navigation, and radar equipment.  They are NOT just a bunch of poor ragtag fishermen hijacking vessels close to shore with small open boats.  They are now a well equipped paramilitary force, and need to be dealt with with overwhelming force........

Unfortunately, with naval assets from a good number of nations conducting security operations in the area, the Russians seem to be the only ones willing to simply wipe them out without mercy.

Last report that I saw mentioned that 13 pirates were captured.........what do you want to bet that assuming the captors were US forces, that Obama drags them back here for a trial in front of a liberal judge, who at the most will give them a 20-year sentence for four murders, and piracy.  At worst they will stick them in a Federal prison where they will live a life several orders of magnitude better than their lives at home.

Under maritime law they SHOULD be simply shot on sight, and the bodies thrown overboard for the sharks.  A Harpoon missile should take care of the "mother ship" from where they typically embark.

Alas, however, since much of the PC west views them simply as poor, illiterate black people just "trying to survive" in a less than third world country, little will ever be done.

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Re: 4 Americans on hijacked yacht dead off Somalia
« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2011, 10:54:20 AM »
Great, the DOJ has 13 more piracy cases to **** around with instead of 15 dead pirates.

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No doubt Obumbles will say the SEALs, "acted stupidly," and offer an apology to the pirates.
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Re: 4 Americans on hijacked yacht dead off Somalia
« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2011, 11:15:26 AM »
No doubt Obumbles will say the SEALs, "acted stupidly," and offer an apology to the pirates.
And pay their surviving family members reparations for their deaths.

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Re: 4 Americans on hijacked yacht dead off Somalia
« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2011, 11:15:45 AM »
the Iowa's??? that's like killing a roach with a shot gun 
and your problem with that is....?

There are known seaports along the somali coastline that are havens for pirates.  They are viewed and treated as rockstars by the locals because of thevast wealth they are accumulating from their pirate antics as well as the whole "coolness" of the pirate mystique.  I don't think the civilized world would miss any of these seaports if they were to be disappeared.  
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Re: 4 Americans on hijacked yacht dead off Somalia
« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2011, 11:28:04 AM »
and your problem with that is....?

There are known seaports along the somali coastline that are havens for pirates.  They are viewed and treated as rockstars by the locals because of thevast wealth they are accumulating from their pirate antics as well as the whole "coolness" of the pirate mystique.  I don't think the civilized world would miss any of these seaports if they were to be disappeared.  

my problem with that is it would cost taxpayers millions/billions to take them outta mothballs and make them operational. in Nam the cost of keeping the New Jersey afloat was a million bucks a day !!!!

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Re: 4 Americans on hijacked yacht dead off Somalia
« Reply #31 on: February 22, 2011, 11:38:25 AM »
my problem with that is it would cost taxpayers millions/billions to take them outta mothballs and make them operational. in Nam the cost of keeping the New Jersey afloat was a million bucks a day !!!!

good point and thanks for thinking about the taxpayer $$.  How about we use a predator drone instead?  They are fairly inexpensive to operate, don't put any U.S. Servicemen at risk, and are accurate and can send a personalized message to these areas supporting and housing the pirate scum.
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Re: 4 Americans on hijacked yacht dead off Somalia
« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2011, 11:39:21 AM »
sure the hell not sailors
It isn't clear whether these missionaries were armed or not, likely not. It is a mean old world out there and naivete can get you killed. They certainly knew they were sailing in troubled waters but entering such an area willingly and unarmed is reckless and just plain stupid.

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These people were sailing around the world more or less on a permanent basis and doing so without at least a pump 12 gauge on board is begging for trouble. The gulf of Aden is not the only area rife with pirates, it is just the beginning of a band which extends from there down through Indonesia and north to PI, Muslim cutthroats all the way.

Certainly these folks had every right to be in international waters doing as they please, thousands of people on yachts are doing just that all over the world. Part of our Navy's mission is to protect them but it doesn't help to have an empty shirt as C-in-C that does virtually nothing to address the problem until an incident like this does happen and then micro manage it from the Oval Office on a case by case basis.

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It is painfully obvious that we need sufficient forces tailored to the mission to remain on station in the area permanently. It wouldn't take much, a few fast patrol boats and one larger ship with helicopters and a response force aboard. A small number of single engine observation aircraft can cover a lot of water and do so very economically. Just the presence of such a force would put a stop to much of this BS but they need to have the standing orders to be able to do the job without their hands tied and their every move dictated from outside the theater. Obama needs to turn them loose to do what they need to do and keep his nose out of it. A take no prisoners response is the only thing these sea going neanderthals understand.

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Re: 4 Americans on hijacked yacht dead off Somalia
« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2011, 11:40:24 AM »
good point and thanks for thinking about the taxpayer $$.  How about we use a predator drone instead?  They are fairly inexpensive to operate, don't put any U.S. Servicemen at risk, and are accurate and can send a personalized message to these areas supporting and housing the pirate scum.

Lob a few cruise missiles and we can say they were aspirin factories.  :-)

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Re: 4 Americans on hijacked yacht dead off Somalia
« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2011, 11:44:02 AM »
Lob a few cruise missiles and we can say they were aspirin factories.  :-)

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Re: 4 Americans on hijacked yacht dead off Somalia
« Reply #35 on: February 22, 2011, 11:51:20 AM »
Arc Lights.  Thatisall.
ARC Light, Rolling Thunder, Linebacker,  it's all good when dealing with this scum
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Re: 4 Americans on hijacked yacht dead off Somalia
« Reply #36 on: February 22, 2011, 11:58:07 AM »
Ya Know, it's funny how history repeats itself, and governments seem never to learn from that history.

We had a nearly identical problem with the Barbary pirates shortly after 1800.........uniquely we had a president with balls.

The solution, as I've related in another thread on this topic was to send a fleet with assult troops, engage and burn their ships to the waterline, follow them home, burn their towns villages, and cities to the ground......kill men women, children, dogs, cats and cattle........salt the earth, and repeat until  the problem goes away.

It went away.........but we DID have a president that decided that he wasn't going to spend his term apologising for America..........

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Re: 4 Americans on hijacked yacht dead off Somalia
« Reply #37 on: February 22, 2011, 12:04:38 PM »
Nobody in the world fears us anymore. I am surprised  el douche even let the Navy help out. I am even surprised they were allowed to kill two of the pirates. Any one see the new Navy TV commercial?  A GLOBAL FORCE FOR GOOD?   http://www.navy.com/navy/about/gffg/


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Re: 4 Americans on hijacked yacht dead off Somalia
« Reply #38 on: February 22, 2011, 12:16:15 PM »
AP article I read on this said....

there are currently 30 ships and over 660 people being held hostage by these pirates.

the pirates have been paid millions upon millions of dollars (or Euros or whatever) in ransoms. and reportedly just ONE ransom paid last year was $9.5 MILLION. that all of the ransoms being asked are in the millions.

the people who owned the yacht have been sailing around the world since 2004 with a boat full of Bibles and handing them out. the other couple was from Seattle and joined them at some point, and are well-known at their yacht club as "great sailors, good people".

it was US Special Forces that attempted the rescue. (since they most likely came from one of the 4 Navy vessels, including the USS Enterprise,  trailing the yacht, they would be SEALS?)

the pirate guy that stood trial for pirating the Alabama, was tried in New York, and was sentenced to 30 years. (that means the US is giving him better food, shelter, and tv reception than he had in Somalia)  

the pirates' "camp" location is apparently quite known, by most governments.

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Will any governmental agency - from any country - be willing to risk 660+ hostages, to go in and destroy the pirates' lair?

Would there be repercussions from governments - who have some of their citizens being held - if those hostages were killed in the process of annihilating the pirates, if said governments didn't agree with the attacking governments?

Why would anyone sail around the world with a boatload of Bibles, knowing that there are more non-Christians in the world who truly hate Christians? While it might make them martyrs, to some, it is isn't going to make them any less dead.
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Re: 4 Americans on hijacked yacht dead off Somalia
« Reply #39 on: February 22, 2011, 12:20:04 PM »
You'd be amazed at what a loadout of SEALs from an SSGN can accomplish.
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Re: 4 Americans on hijacked yacht dead off Somalia
« Reply #40 on: February 22, 2011, 12:28:55 PM »
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiWYhgpY8iM[/youtube]

Now where did they go??

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Re: 4 Americans on hijacked yacht dead off Somalia
« Reply #41 on: February 22, 2011, 12:30:52 PM »
Nobody in the world fears us anymore. I am surprised  el douche even let the Navy help out. I am even surprised they were allowed to kill two of the pirates. Any one see the new Navy TV commercial?  A GLOBAL FORCE FOR GOOD?   http://www.navy.com/navy/about/gffg/
There goes that disgusting word "GLOBAL" again. Been seeing it a lot lately. Why don't we just have our troops all paint their helmets blue, burn the constitution and run up the UN flag on the Capitol? It's what their pushing for.


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Re: 4 Americans on hijacked yacht dead off Somalia
« Reply #42 on: February 22, 2011, 12:34:31 PM »
You'd be amazed at what a loadout of SEALs from an SSGN can accomplish.

Not so much amazed as in awe.

But they can't do it, without a leader who allows them to do it.
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Re: 4 Americans on hijacked yacht dead off Somalia
« Reply #43 on: February 22, 2011, 12:44:27 PM »
good point and thanks for thinking about the taxpayer $$.  How about we use a predator drone instead?  They are fairly inexpensive to operate, don't put any U.S. Servicemen at risk, and are accurate and can send a personalized message to these areas supporting and housing the pirate scum.

sure. there's a lot of good hardware that can do it. but will the empty suit give the order???

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Re: 4 Americans on hijacked yacht dead off Somalia
« Reply #44 on: February 22, 2011, 12:47:23 PM »
Nobody in the world fears us anymore. I am surprised  el douche even let the Navy help out. I am even surprised they were allowed to kill two of the pirates. Any one see the new Navy TV commercial?  A GLOBAL FORCE FOR GOOD?   http://www.navy.com/navy/about/gffg/

we didn't have that in Nam. maybe i should re enlist ????  :-)

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Re: 4 Americans on hijacked yacht dead off Somalia
« Reply #45 on: February 22, 2011, 01:03:29 PM »
The policy towards pirates should be: Take no prisoners.
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Re: 4 Americans on hijacked yacht dead off Somalia
« Reply #46 on: February 22, 2011, 03:04:10 PM »

It's a hard place to avoid if you want to get from the Indian Ocean to the Med.

Exactly! Hell they were 300 miles out! Ya can't get much more careful than that! My question is, why hadn't our guys boarded this vessel if they suspected them to be pirates? WTF were they waitin' for??????????

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Oh lord, I just heard Hitlery make a response! More diplomacy, right, that's worked so well so far! How 'bout givin' our guys the decision who are already there? Any boat, suspect of bein' a pirate vessel, should be boarded, if they are indeed pirates, execute them on site and sink the vessel and just shut the hell up! Who the hell is goin' to miss 'em???
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Re: 4 Americans on hijacked yacht dead off Somalia
« Reply #47 on: February 22, 2011, 03:11:01 PM »
We need to DEMAND action from our appeasers in charge. Not Diplomacy, not tactfulness, not anything "peaceful"!!! KILL them ****ers DEAD!!
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« Reply #48 on: February 22, 2011, 03:54:40 PM »
Exactly! Hell they were 300 miles out! Ya can't get much more careful than that! My question is, why hadn't our guys boarded this vessel if they suspected them to be pirates? WTF were they waitin' for??????????

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Oh lord, I just heard Hitlery make a response! More diplomacy, right, that's worked so well so far! How 'bout givin' our guys the decision who are already there? Any boat, suspect of bein' a pirate vessel, should be boarded, if they are indeed pirates, execute them on site and sink the vessel and just shut the hell up! Who the hell is goin' to miss 'em???

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My question is, why hadn't our guys boarded this vessel if they suspected them to be pirates? WTF were they waitin' for??????????

orders from HQ. they can't board without it. but then why were the orders not issued sooner??? he was on the golf course

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« Reply #49 on: February 22, 2011, 04:09:51 PM »
Not only did 0bamao neglect his duties, but I also heard that the Navy was trying to resolve the issue without having the 4 civilians killed. That all ended when the Somali pirates opened fire on the Navy ship that was nearby.
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