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'Wisconsin' is your fault.
« on: February 18, 2011, 11:19:35 AM »
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earthside (1000+ posts)         Fri Feb-18-11 11:38 AM
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'Wisconsin' is your fault.
   
I've heard this several times on progressive talk radio this morning:

"This is what happens when progressives (or Democrats) stay home and don't vote."
(Repuglicans and Teabaggers winning big in 2010.)

I'm not falling for that line and I hope most progressives and Democrats don't either.

That kind of thinking shows that the establishment Democratic leadership still has disdain for its own progressive base.

Here is the truth, in my opinion: This is what happens when Democrats are given the White House and majorities in Congress -- and then govern like weenies and constantly blame their very own base supporters for all their problems.

The empowering position to take -- and the only position that will make sure the "shellacking" of 2010 doesn't happen again -- is to insist that Democrats stand-up and fight for progressive values instead of compromising and 'horse trading' on the issues important to us.

Listen, elected Democrats, if you don't support the progressive principles upon which you were elected, don't turn around and blame us voters when we don't find enough enthusiasm to get to the polls to re-elect you.
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HereSince1628   (1000+ posts)             Fri Feb-18-11 11:43 AM
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2. Which Democratic Tactics would you choose? Madison's or DC's?
   
This week democracy is showing some stirring views of vitality in Madison.
As far as I can tell, not nearly so much along that power axis that runs 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue though to the Capitol.

Oh come on. Obama has his "Organizing for Against America" helping to stir the pot, along with his SEIU thugs.

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cali   (1000+ posts)               Fri Feb-18-11 11:44 AM
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4. uh, Wisconsinites had Feingold as their Senator. They had choices.

Yep, and some leftist POS wasn't their choice.

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7. Great Point!
   
I'm so glad you posted as sometimes, I do fall for the "we stayed home" ploy, even though I didn't.

The democrats had every opportunity to get things done in the 2 years they held it all. Granted, there was a lot of opposition from the rethugs, but he who holds the pen rules. Had Obama simply steam rolled his way to whatever he wanted like Bush did, we wouldn't be where we are today.

That said, What does Obama want?
 

The ruination of the US. Next question?

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10. The first 2 years would have been a success if nothing had been accomplished!
   
Edited on Fri Feb-18-11 12:04 PM by FredStembottom
....If O had spent them simply standing firm on the solutions that work and help millions.
....If he had used his TV time to reveal the Radical lies that multiply in the Captive Media.

With 2 years of refuting the Radical Right's lies - they are so FREAKIN' EASY to refute with the barest of facts - we would be a country in the midst of a full recovery from mass delusion.

If only he had fought.............
and taught........

The man has bravery issues.

Even with the MSM trying to deny the truth coming from the right, people still found the truth before November, 2010.

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murielm99   (1000+ posts)             Fri Feb-18-11 11:57 AM
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8. But it is true.
   
Many people did stay home. And others voted for repubs to "teach the Democrats a lesson" for not being progressive enough.

I see it here on DU when people criticize President Obama. Of course we can criticize Obama and his administration. We need to hold them accountable. But we need to support them now and in 2010 as well.

I think we need to learn from this. We need to GOTV in every election.

Man, I hope these DUmmies stick with thinking that the DemonRats lost because they weren't far enough left.

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Re: 'Wisconsin' is your fault.
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2011, 11:30:40 AM »
"I am not going to vote for you if you don't give me everything I want for free.", Dummies.

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Re: 'Wisconsin' is your fault.
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2011, 11:51:16 AM »
Another fine example illustrating the DUmmies are completely clueless!!!

They still think their policies are backed by the majority of a free people! I can't believe I used "free" and "DUmmies", in context, within' the same post! Will wonders never cease!
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Re: 'Wisconsin' is your fault.
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2011, 11:58:17 AM »
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This week democracy is showing some stirring views of vitality in Madison.
That's true, only to the extent that "democracy" means "mob rule".

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Re: 'Wisconsin' is your fault.
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2011, 01:12:58 PM »
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others voted for repubs to "teach the Democrats a lesson" for not being progressive enough.
  This is what they're telling themselves?   :lmao:  So absurd, it's insane!   :mental:

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Re: 'Wisconsin' is your fault.
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2011, 03:49:16 PM »
  This is what they're telling themselves?   :lmao:  So absurd, it's insane!   :mental:

That primitive, I would bet, is . . . not a primitive. O-)
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Re: 'Wisconsin' is your fault.
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2011, 09:09:42 PM »
That's true, only to the extent that "democracy" means "mob rule".


That's sure as hell what they expect to work in this instance. I have a feeling the people will prevail, if all the polls are any indication!
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Re: 'Wisconsin' is your fault.
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2011, 09:56:44 PM »
Actually, the problems that exist in WI are the result of not enough conservatives voting for conservatives and voting to keep Leftists out of office.

We're working on fixing that.


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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2011, 10:26:00 PM »
Actually, the problems that exist in WI are the result of not enough conservatives voting for conservatives and voting to keep Leftists out of office.

We're working on fixing that.

Well, I think the people have realized the DimWits aren't the answer. Took 'em long enough. They have pretty well shut their eyes for a whole generation! It may be too late to fix it!
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Re: 'Wisconsin' is your fault.
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2011, 10:36:35 PM »
Well, I think the people have realized the DimWits aren't the answer. Took 'em long enough. They have pretty well shut their eyes for a whole generation! It may be too late to fix it!

Tell me about it. Waaay too many Leftist "progressives" around here. Very discouraging for the much-vaunted Midwest.


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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2011, 10:51:19 PM »
This is what is the result of all those draft dodging asshats during the Vietnam war and later did by staying in college and getting degrees in Education. They think they can get what ever they want by holding the state or country hostage. Good luck with that at least in some of the states the Governers will fire the teachers before the state goes under.
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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2011, 11:06:45 PM »
This is what is the result of all those draft dodging asshats during the Vietnam war and later did by staying in college and getting degrees in Education. They think they can get what ever they want by holding the state or country hostage. Good luck with that at least in some of the states the Governers will fire the teachers before the state goes under.

I sure as hell hope so! The only thing we can look forward to, is more intelligent children! Won't that just kick their ass!

They have spent damn near 2 generations indoctrinating our children. I have a real fear for those that had "progressive" parents and teachers. Just what the hell did they learn?
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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2011, 03:28:23 AM »
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Here is the truth, in my opinion:

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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2011, 05:01:18 AM »
Another fine example illustrating the DUmmies are completely clueless!!!

They still think their policies are backed by the majority of a free people! I can't believe I used "free" and "DUmmies", in context, within' the same post! Will wonders never cease!

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8. But it is true.
   
Many people did stay home. And others voted for repubs to "teach the Democrats a lesson" for not being progressive enough.

I see it here on DU when people criticize President Obama. Of course we can criticize Obama and his administration. We need to hold them accountable. But we need to support them now and in 2010 as well.

I think we need to learn from this. We need to GOTV in every election.


What year does DUmmie murielm99 think this is?   :confused:

These are the "smartest and brightest" among us, folks, and some of them TEACH (and I use that word loosly) our children.  Be very afraid!
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Re: 'Wisconsin' is your fault.
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2011, 05:38:46 AM »


What year does DUmmie murielm99 think this is?   :confused:


Hey, she's getting closer to up to date...last week she was still stuck in the '60's.
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« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2011, 05:47:39 AM »
Tell me about it. Waaay too many Leftist "progressives" around here. Very discouraging for the much-vaunted Midwest.

You know what's going to be interesting for my state?  It's not a Republican Governor that'll be doing the cutting.  Andrew Cuomo is a Dem.  The chief proponent of the teachers' unions is Sheldon Silver--also a Dem.  Fratricide at its' best!
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« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2011, 06:42:31 AM »
You know what's going to be interesting for my state?  It's not a Republican Governor that'll be doing the cutting.  Andrew Cuomo is a Dem.  The chief proponent of the teachers' unions is Sheldon Silver--also a Dem.  Fratricide at its best!

I think as the year goes on, the situation's going to change.

Right now, it's Republican governors trying to spare the hard-pressed taxpayers, but states with Dem governors have even more-serious fiscal problems, and those are going to start coming to a head soon.

I'm especially watching California and Illinois.

It will be fraticide, Dem against Dem.

And fun to watch (excepting for those living in those states).
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Re: 'Wisconsin' is your fault.
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2011, 07:08:29 AM »
You know what's going to be interesting for my state?  It's not a Republican Governor that'll be doing the cutting.  Andrew Cuomo is a Dem.  The chief proponent of the teachers' unions is Sheldon Silver--also a Dem.  Fratricide at its' best!

It will be interesting to see how it plays out,when Patterson took over for Spitzer he was saying the same things Cuomo is now.
Essentially there is no way within the law for the state to fund its current structure short of a wealth conviscation that would leave the state devoid of business.

However as you are aware neighbor this state rivals the mafia when it comes to budget chicanery so am predicting nothing.

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« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2011, 09:16:29 AM »
I think as the year goes on, the situation's going to change.

Right now, it's Republican governors trying to spare the hard-pressed taxpayers, but states with Dem governors have even more-serious fiscal problems, and those are going to start coming to a head soon.

I'm especially watching California and Illinois.

It will be fraticide, Dem against Dem.

And fun to watch (excepting for those living in those states).

Illinois already caved to the unions and raised income and corporate taxes 66%, and now the governor is talking about more borrowing.

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« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2011, 03:24:22 PM »
Illinois already caved to the unions and raised income and corporate taxes 66%, and now the governor is talking about more borrowing.

I just can't imagine anyone with half a brain would loan a state already in the red, money!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2011, 03:51:27 PM »
Actually, the problems that exist in WI are the result of not enough conservatives voting for conservatives and voting to keep Leftists out of office.

We're working on fixing that.

That's true of course, but in the DUmmies' own strange universe, people vote for fiscal conservatives because liberals don't give them enough free stuff.

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Re: 'Wisconsin' is your fault.
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2011, 05:23:22 PM »
It will be interesting to see how it plays out,when Patterson took over for Spitzer he was saying the same things Cuomo is now.
Essentially there is no way within the law for the state to fund its current structure short of a wealth conviscation that would leave the state devoid of business.

However as you are aware neighbor this state rivals the mafia when it comes to budget chicanery so am predicting nothing.

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« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2011, 05:26:29 PM »
Wait, it's "Winsconsin", isn't it? In an earlier thread, know-it-all nadin said she had a blog on "Winsconsin", but for some reason it wasn't getting much traffic. I wonder why that is? The pudgy prophet reminds me of Rain Man.

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« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2011, 05:37:15 PM »
Wait, it's "Winsconsin", isn't it? In an earlier thread, know-it-all nadin said she had a blog on "Winsconsin", but for some reason it wasn't getting much traffic. I wonder why that is? The pudgy prophet reminds me of Rain Man.

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Look boys, I know why revolts and rumors of such are all the rage in Tahrir square. I get it why it matters and why you flew your people into the middle of it. I get it why that flu matters, and now it is spreading to Benghazi and Menama matters. I get it why it is so damn exciting when the little people get that freedom bug and march in Tehran... yes I am talking to you Williams and Cooper. I know that is how you get your brass tacks, and your prices. But if you really need it, I will donate my American Airline Miles and get you on a plane to Winsconsin. You'd think that Winsconsin is on Red Mars, and too far.

Now there have been esceptiosn to this pattern, Thanks Ed, thanks Rachel, I am sure if Keith was still on the air he'd cover it too... but this is to the rest of you. You see, when your sycophants scream about liberal media and we gotta rely on the twitter to get news... because Madison is on Red Mars, by Olympus Mons, well that liberal media monicker loses all it's strength or even simulacrum of reality.

I'm not sure what she is trying to say other than her idea of news reporters aren't covering her idea of news. She did spell Madison right this time.

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« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2011, 05:41:12 PM »
Wonder what motivated the roly-poly know-it-all to google "Mars". Probably looking up candy.