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UAW wants workers to work.
« on: February 04, 2011, 09:53:36 AM »
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Hannah Bell   (1000+ posts)             Fri Feb-04-11 06:09 AM
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Auto bosses, UAW press ahead with “pay-for-performance” scheme
   
The top management of Detroit’s carmakers and the United Auto Workers union are pressing ahead with their campaign to introduce a “pay-for-performance” scheme in the new labor agreement being negotiated this year for 120,000 workers at General Motors (GM), Ford and Chrysler.

(Akerson, a former Carlyle Group hedge fund manager slotted into top management by the White House Auto Task Force, has stressed wages should not add to the company’s fixed costs. Workers should receive “performance” bonuses only if the company profits.

The UAW has already indicated a willingness to consider the idea, which it has palmed off as workers getting a “piece of the profits” after giving up tens of thousands in wage and benefit concessions.

The implementation of the proposal, however, would mean a return to conditions not seen since the 1920s, when auto workers were paid according to output and wages fell precipitously if production slowed because of falling demand. One of the most basic principles fought for by the UAW during the mass struggles that established the union in the 1930s was the abolition of the hated piecework system and its replacement with standardized hourly wages, protected by a union contract.

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safeinOhio   (1000+ posts)           Fri Feb-04-11 07:47 AM
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2. Not all that simple
   
From 1998 to 2002 I did piecework at a big 3 plant and made 6 figures every year. Worked my butt off, but well worth it. People fought for those jobs and no one would have done them for hourly pay. Now those jobs are outsourced.

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blindpig   (1000+ posts)           Fri Feb-04-11 07:58 AM
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3. The thing is....
   

by busting your ass you had probably deprived a union brother of his job while increased the profits of the company. That is playing into the Capitalist's hand.

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SidDithers   (1000+ posts)             Fri Feb-04-11 09:44 AM
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7. So two people should slowly do...
   
Edited on Fri Feb-04-11 09:45 AM by SidDithers
what one person can quickly do? That's how things function in the workers paradise?

It's not hard to see where the unionized dog-****ers stereotype comes from.

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Two workers pay more in union dues than one worker does. More dues means more money to the Demonrats.

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blindpig   (1000+ posts)           Fri Feb-04-11 10:28 AM
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9. No one should have to work as hard as two
   

just so the owner can realize more profit while another worker is left without the means of sustenance.

Nice ruling class attitude ya got there, scab much?

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kudzu22 (264 posts)           Fri Feb-04-11 09:38 AM
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5. The difference now is that the UAW owns the company
   
And like any owner they want to get the most work for the least cost. Conflict of interest anyone?
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Re: UAW wants workers to work.
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2011, 10:15:18 AM »
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SidDithers   (1000+ posts)             Fri Feb-04-11 09:44 AM
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7. So two people should slowly do...
   
Edited on Fri Feb-04-11 09:45 AM by SidDithers
what one person can quickly do? That's how things function in the workers paradise?

It's not hard to see where the unionized dog-****ers stereotype comes from.

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My thoughts exactly.  **** a union.

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blindpig   (1000+ posts)           Fri Feb-04-11 10:28 AM
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9. No one should have to work as hard as two
   

just so the owner can realize more profit while another worker is left without the means of sustenance.

Nice ruling class attitude ya got there, scab much?

No, dickhead, it's called being able to maximize your income with your talents, not how you can slackass while someone else negotiates your worth.

Think for yourself much?
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Re: UAW wants workers to work.
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2011, 10:25:27 AM »
ALTERNATE HEADLINE: Union bosses rouse members from sound sleep to vote on new contract, furious outpouring of discontent to follow after break-time
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Re: UAW wants workers to work.
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2011, 10:28:35 AM »
No one should have to work as hard as two = two people should work as hard as one.

1+1=POTATO
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Re: UAW wants workers to work.
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2011, 10:33:47 AM »
Quote from: jukin on February 04, 2011, 10:28:35 AM
1+1=POTATO
I would like to add this expression along with Right Said Fred CDs and Lindsay Lohan stories to the pile of things labeled, "Played Too Much"
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Re: UAW wants workers to work.
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2011, 10:35:17 AM »
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blindpig   (1000+ posts)           Fri Feb-04-11 07:58 AM
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3. The thing is....
   

by busting your ass you had probably deprived a union brother of his job while increased the profits of the company. That is playing into the Capitalist's hand.



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9. No one should have to work as hard as two
   

just so the owner can realize more profit while another worker is left without the means of sustenance.

Nice ruling class attitude ya got there, scab much?


This is the kind of attitude that gives union members a bad name.  Lord have mercy.

Blindpig .... if the job can be done by one person then it is not a case where you have one person doing the job of 2.

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Re: UAW wants workers to work.
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2011, 10:44:34 AM »
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blindpig   (1000+ posts)           Fri Feb-04-11 07:58 AM
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3. The thing is....
   

by busting your ass you had probably deprived a union brother of his job...

But twice the labor cost pushes the consumer cost even higher.

Why do you hate the working class who just want to purchase goods and services for their families?
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Re: UAW wants workers to work.
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2011, 11:20:14 AM »
Damn! Just Damn! The union actually thinks people should earn what their members are paid....the world is ending.
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Re: UAW wants workers to work.
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2011, 12:11:53 PM »
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blindpig   (1000+ posts)           Fri Feb-04-11 07:58 AM
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3. The thing is....

by busting your ass you had probably deprived a union brother of his job...
Anyone who's worked in a union environment knows that DUmmy blindpig has stated the absolute essence of unionized labor. "Busting your ass" means giving even one ounce of effort or one millimeter per hour more than the absolute letter of the union contract. And then they wonder why their jobs are moved to a place where people are enthusiastic about work.
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Re: UAW wants workers to work.
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2011, 12:17:55 PM »
I find it so amusing how the left is constantly getting smacked in the face by the people they support.
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Re: UAW wants workers to work.
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2011, 01:24:42 PM »
I've had too much experience with union "workers" to know that's exactly how it works! Now that the union owns GM, you watch how they will expect the workers to perform! If they lose money, their own members are goin' to start to question the leaders! They won't let that happen!
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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2011, 01:48:01 PM »
The National Geographic channel has a series called "Ultimate Factories".  Last night's episode showed how the Chrylser Challenger is made.  What really hit me is how the engines are manufactured in Saltillo, mexico, then shipped by train thru the U.S. to the final assembly plant in Toronto Canada.  I can't help but think that the uaw played a big part in Chrysler's decision to build the components and final assembly outside of the U.S.
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Re: UAW wants workers to work.
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2011, 02:00:07 PM »
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  And I believe we can stop announcing that bobolink is homeless.  2 cents.

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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2011, 02:07:01 PM »
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  And I believe we can stop announcing that bobolink is homeless.  2 cents.
 

Bobolink is homeless?!?!?  :ohnoes: :ohnoes: :ohnoes:

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Re: UAW wants workers to work.
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2011, 03:04:23 PM »
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SidDithers  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-04-11 11:24 AM
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12. A one-person job shouldn't be done at half speed by 2 people...
 no matter how much you wish it should, comrade.
 

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blindpig  (1000+ posts)      Fri Feb-04-11 11:53 AM
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16. And who makes that decision?
 
Who decides what the proper speed of work should be?

Owner or worker?

Owners will always try to squeeze the maximum amount of labor out of a worker. And of course the worker never gets the full value of his effort and time, the owner appropriates that. Pretty one sided, huh?
  You are free to open up your own business, stupid commie pig.  Risk your own money and property.  Go right ahead. 
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Re: UAW wants workers to work.
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2011, 03:15:08 PM »
Quote from: Karin on February 04, 2011, 02:00:07 PM
And I believe we can stop announcing that bobolink is homeless.  2 cents.

Maybe, but the main reason it comes up so often is that she announces it herself about three times a day. I think it caught on because it's analogous to how Lurch Kerry mentioned every five minutes that he served in Viet Nam.
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« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2011, 03:18:30 PM »
Quote from: GOBUCKS on February 04, 2011, 03:15:08 PM
Maybe, but the main reason it comes up so often is that she announces it herself about three times a day. I think it caught on because it's analogous to how Lurch Kerry mentioned every five minutes that he served in Viet Nam.


What????? Kerry served in Viet Nam?   
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« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2011, 03:46:57 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on February 04, 2011, 03:18:30 PM

What????? Kerry served in Viet Nam?   

It really should be seared--seared--into your memory . . .

. . . just like bobbolink being homeless.   :o :o :o :tongue: :fuelfire:
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« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2011, 04:51:44 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on February 04, 2011, 03:18:30 PM

What????? Kerry served in Viet Nam?   

Well, that was a step up from BusBoy.
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« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2011, 05:19:07 PM »
Quote from: BlueStateSaint on February 04, 2011, 03:46:57 PM
It really should be seared--seared--into your memory . . .

. . . just like bobbolink being homeless.   :o :o :o :tongue: :fuelfire:

The only thing seared on Kerry is his shriveled up pecker! Comes from hangin' out with Tereza to long! He don't have much of a choice if he wants to keep that Yacht he's dodgin' payin' taxes on, though.
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« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2011, 05:57:25 PM »
Quote from: GOBUCKS on February 04, 2011, 03:15:08 PM
Maybe, but the main reason it comes up so often is that she announces it herself about three times a day. I think it caught on because it's analogous to how Lurch Kerry mentioned every five minutes that he served in Viet Nam.

Bobo the Hobo's domicile is always news, because it is to her, apparently.  However, "Joooooos" on surveys in particular but just in general is one I'd throw in the 'Overdone' pile.
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« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2011, 07:57:48 PM »
Remember, the Unions own the car company now. So, now it's important to work hard, to give the Union more money.
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« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2011, 05:44:51 AM »
Quote from: ironhorsedriver on February 04, 2011, 07:57:48 PM
Remember, the Unions own the car company now. So, now it's important to work hard, to give the Union more money.

At the core, they want to make money, too.  They would rightfully be called "evil capitalists."
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« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2011, 07:06:56 AM »
The poster known as BlindPig usually makes its home at the pro Muzzie, anti Semite site Progressive Independent.  I think even Pitcairn has shown this poster the door.  One might think Skin's Island to be the toilet of the InnerTubes, but one would be wrong.  DU floats atop the water with the occasional drain circling leaving a flatulent odor.  PI ends up in the septic tank and stinks up the whole house for days.
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