Employers Don't Care for Deadbeat Layabouts...Heads Assplode

[Karin]

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I knew it, I knew it, I knew it.  How many times did I say to the DUmmies, "ummmm you'd better be careful about that perpetual, neverending unemployment, because it's going to look reeeeal bad on your resume."

Liberal_in_LA  (1000+ posts)      Sun Jan-23-11 07:54 PM
Original message
"Must have worked in the previous 12 months," More companies excluding long term unemployed
 Edited on Sun Jan-23-11 07:55 PM by Liberal_in_LA
Long-term unemployed face stigmas in job search

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And on top of that, some companies — including PMG Indiana, Sony Ericsson and retailers nationwide — have explicitly barred the unemployed or long-term unemployed from certain job openings, outright telling them in job ads that they need not apply.
 

Odin2005  (1000+ posts)        Sun Jan-23-11 07:55 PM
Response to Original message
1. This is seriously ****ed up.

shawn703 (1000+ posts)        Mon Jan-24-11 05:57 PM
Response to Reply #1
27. Instead of saying unemployed
 Can't you say you were self-employed? Register a fictitious name with your county and list that as your employer on your resume. As long as your "self-employment" doesn't interfere with your ability to find work you will remain eligible for unemployment benefits.  

JDPriestly  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jan-24-11 10:14 PM
Response to Reply #29
37. The benefits of higher productivity should be shared and not just
 grabbed by the rich.

One way to share those benefits is to shorten the work week. In addition to increasing the equitable distribution of work and income, that would increase the stability of American families and allow parents to spend more time with their children. That might do more to improve the test scores and educational progress of American children than anything else we could do.  

 Such rationalization for laziness!  

LibDemAlways  (1000+ posts)        Sun Jan-23-11 08:12 PM
Response to Original message
6. It ought to be illegal. It is clearly a form of discrimination  

bluestateguy (1000+ posts)        Sun Jan-23-11 08:21 PM
Response to Original message
7. There needs to be a law to stop this
 Companies must be forbidden from simply throwing a resume in the garbage can  

MattBaggins  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jan-24-11 10:14 AM
Response to Original message
17. Perfect solution: Pass a law that allows them
 to pay a "little bit more" in unemployment taxes.

BrklynLiberal  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jan-24-11 06:12 PM
Response to Original message
30. How could this situation get any worse for those of us in this category?????????

You would think that once you gt through a chunk of life, you would know something about consequences, unintended or obvious.  

[chitownchica]

bluestateguy (1000+ posts)        Sun Jan-23-11 08:21 PM
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7. There needs to be a law to stop this
 Companies must be forbidden from simply throwing a resume in the garbage can 

Oh please. This bluestateidiot has been smoking dope for way too long.

[Ralph Wiggum]

I'm nominating the DUmmy thread as possibly the stupidest head-scratching thread I've seen from the DUmp in a very long time.

shawn703 (1000+ posts)        Mon Jan-24-11 05:57 PM
Response to Reply #1
27. Instead of saying unemployed
 Can't you say you were self-employed? Register a fictitious name with your county and list that as your employer on your resume. As long as your "self-employment" doesn't interfere with your ability to find work you will remain eligible for unemployment benefits. 

I mean, come on.  How can anyone type something so stupid like that and be serious?

[Evil_Conservative]

Macy's asks a similar question too.

Have you worked in the past 60 days?

Not sure if Macy's asks this question due to unemployment or not though.  I just remember having to answer it before and after being hired during the Christmas season.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

DUmbasses labor (heh) under the assumption that capitalism works thusly:

1. drive 1/2 of all people into unemployment

2. make other 1/2 sick unto death

3. rich then get miraculously richer


So their cure is:

1. tax the rich at 90%

2. 2/3 of workforce to be government employed

3. the remaining 1/2 of the workforce will receive federal benefits

4. unionize 3/4 of the workforce

5. subsidize all food, medicine, housing, transportation and recreation for 12/7 of the population

6. everyone miraculously gets rich

[BlueStateSaint]

bluestateguy (1000+ posts)        Sun Jan-23-11 08:21 PM
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7. There needs to be a law to stop this
 Companies must be forbidden from simply throwing a resume in the garbage can

Okay, then . . . how 'bout we post up the HR director and slam-dunk it into the garbage can over him?

[AllosaursRus]

Could be that there are enough in the job pool they're weedin' out deadbeats, ( pun intended ), so that they're able to hire people who actually want and need a damn job!

Sittin' around in momma's basement, waitin' for somebody to pay you what you think you're worth, is not very attractive to those tryin' to make a buck in this, the O'Bumbler economy!

[true_blood]

shawn703 (1000+ posts)        Mon Jan-24-11 05:57 PM
Response to Reply #1
27. Instead of saying unemployed
Can't you say you were self-employed? Register a fictitious name with your county and list that as your employer on your resume. As long as your "self-employment" doesn't interfere with your ability to find work you will remain eligible for unemployment benefits. 

Funny how a DUmmie would know how to buck unemployment checks.

[FlaGator]

What they don't seem to understand here is that a person who is willing to collect unemployment benefits for years and make no attempt to find some work even if it is flipping burgers or standing on the corner waiving a sign for 10 buck an hour is not going to give a potential employer a warm and fuzzy feeling about hiring that person. In an economy such as this definite signs of a lack of initiative will not be rewarded.

[jukin]

Next thing you know employers are going to ask their employees to show up and actually work as instructed.

This the best Craigs list posting ever:

http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sba/434813568.html

"Dear Santa Barbara Employees:"

No I didn't write it but it hits so many of the complaints that I have with employees, particularly SB employees whom I think are mostly DUchebags.

[NHSparky]

shawn703 (1000+ posts)        Mon Jan-24-11 05:57 PM
Response to Reply #1
27. Instead of saying unemployed
 Can't you say you were self-employed? Register a fictitious name with your county and list that as your employer on your resume. As long as your "self-employment" doesn't interfere with your ability to find work you will remain eligible for unemployment benefits. 

And of course, no company EVER verifies employment or asks for 1099's in the case of contractors or self-employed hires.

Dipshit.

[Evil_Conservative]

And of course, no company EVER verifies employment or asks for 1099's in the case of contractors or self-employed hires.

Dipshit.

And let's not forget that employers will fire your ass (even after being employed for awhile) if they find out you lied on your resume or during your interview.

[true_blood]

And let's not forget that employers will fire your ass (even after being employed for awhile) if they find out you lied on your resume or during your interview.

A DUmmies dream. No more work.

[NHSparky]

A DUmmies dream. No more work.

Problem for the DUmmies, though, is that termination for cause means no more UEI in most states.

[true_blood]

Problem for the DUmmies, though, is that termination for cause means no more UEI in most states.

That is true.

[AllosaursRus]

Next thing you know employers are going to ask their employees to show up and actually work as instructed.

This the best Craigs list posting ever:

http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sba/434813568.html

"Dear Santa Barbara Employees:"

No I didn't write it but it hits so many of the complaints that I have with employees, particularly SB employees whom I think are mostly DUchebags.

Hehehehehe!!!! That's great! I especially liked this one as it brought back memories of bosses and friends sons!

Finally, I know that in this town, your parents were probably rich or hippies, so your work ethic wasn't bored into you at home. However, I think you should be smart enough to realize as you go from each dissatisfying job to the next and the expectations are always the same, that the only consistent feature in each of your dissatisfying jobs is you. It won't break my heart to send you off to the next dissatisfying job. Yes, its irritating to find and train someone else to do your job, but just because you are important doesn't mean you aren't replaceable.

I've even been the one to find another job because of this principal! Even their mothers and fathers felt like they should get a pass!

[FlaGator]

And of course, no company EVER verifies employment or asks for 1099's in the case of contractors or self-employed hires.

Dipshit.

Hmm... lazy and a liar.

[Alpha Mare]

I'm nominating the DUmmy thread as possibly the stupidest head-scratching thread I've seen from the DUmp in a very long time.
 

I mean, come on.  How can anyone type something so stupid like that and be serious?

 ::)They make my rolly-eyes hurt.  

[Gratiot]

Next thing you know employers are going to ask their employees to show up and actually work as instructed.

This the best Craigs list posting ever:

http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sba/434813568.html

"Dear Santa Barbara Employees:"

Every now and than I browse Craigslist for different jobs, not because I'm looking but some of the requests are so absolutely ludicrous it boggles my mind.

The other day, I saw one asking for a licensed, insured, and bonded professional electrician to give a firm bid on a service upgrade and bring a home up to code.  However it was mandated that the electrician use the carpenter/home owner as his assistant to keep costs down.  Bill no more than a reasonable $12 an hour, and absolutely no billing for travel.  Leave a deposit with the home owner to be used for follow up work by another electrician if there were problems.  Also, to give a quote sight unseen of a 80 year old home.
 

[AllosaursRus]

Every now and than I browse Craigslist for different jobs, not because I'm looking but some of the requests are so absolutely ludicrous it boggles my mind.

The other day, I saw one asking for a licensed, insured, and bonded professional electrician to give a firm bid on a service upgrade and bring a home up to code.  However it was mandated that the electrician use the carpenter/home owner as his assistant to keep costs down.  Bill no more than a reasonable $12 an hour, and absolutely no billing for travel.  Leave a deposit with the home owner to be used for follow up work by another electrician if there were problems.  Also, to give a quote sight unseen of a 80 year old home.
 

Except for the deposit bull shit, this really isn't an unreasonable request nowadays. Especially with the housing market and unemployment. The home owner can be his own contractor so basically askin' for a consultant for 12/hr is not unreasonable.

However, since the homeowner is the contractor, askin' for a deposit is lunacy! I'm not goin' to be responsible for the corners you yourself cut in order to save a buck!

ETA:

I still keep my licenses current for just such "consulting" merely for rep, besides, if ya **** it up, the buildin' inspector is gonna tell ya what ya have to do to bring it up to code. No reason for this guy to ask for a deposit unless he plans on keepin' it for years! **** that!!!!

[Gratiot]

Except for the deposit bull shit, this really isn't an unreasonable request nowadays. Especially with the housing market and unemployment. The home owner can be his own contractor so basically askin' for a consultant for 12/hr is not unreasonable.

However, since the homeowner is the contractor, askin' for a deposit is lunacy! I'm not goin' to be responsible for the corners you yourself cut in order to save a buck!

Considering the actual cost of doing business, an electrician could not manage payroll, insurance, and continual education on that wage.  Even if the electrician was just desperate for any source of income, including the less than minimum wage that job would actually pay.  It's illegal in many jurisdictions, and serious bankruptcy ensuring NFPA 70e violation in others.  Granted, there are some ways around that... but it would hardly be worth it in the above mentioned case.  As for being asked to make a firm bid, sight unseen, on such an old house... even if it wasn't averaged down to $12 an hour... any electrician who bid that job would be insane.  There are variables that could add thousands to the costs that could only be discovered by scoping it out.

You are correct though, that if the person just showed up as a consultant they could avoid a lot of the drama.  Granted than they couldn't pull the permit, physically touch anything, and certainly not bid on the job as requested.

[AllosaursRus]

Considering the actual cost of doing business, an electrician could not manage payroll, insurance, and continual education on that wage.  Even if the electrician was just desperate for any source of income, including the less than minimum wage that job would actually pay.  It's illegal in many jurisdictions, and serious bankruptcy ensuring NFPA 70e violation in others.  Granted, there are some ways around that... but it would hardly be worth it in the above mentioned case.  As for being asked to make a firm bid, sight unseen, on such an old house... even if it wasn't averaged down to $12 an hour... any electrician who bid that job would be insane.  There are variables that could add thousands to the costs that could only be discovered by scoping it out.

You are correct though, that if the person just showed up as a consultant they could avoid a lot of the drama.  Granted than they couldn't pull the permit, physically touch anything, and certainly not bid on the job as requested.

Wait, wait, wait! The electrician is not bringin' his crew, and from my interpretation, nothin' more than his expertise. The home owner is acting as the contractor, which as far as I know, is legal in all 50 states! You can do your own work on your house without havin' to be licensed with the state. Sounds like he's just wantin' a guy to guide him thru it. At least that's the way I've done it in the past. Bein' as he's talkin' 12/hr, it couldn't be anything else!

I could be wrong, but this sort of thing is gettin' pretty popular around here. I helped a guy build a lake cabin a few years back, he paid me 16/hr to make sure he didn't **** it up and to help get him thru the building inspections. The guy didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground, but was handy with his tools. Turned out pretty damn nice! Most of the time I didn't do much more than drink his beer. Him, his kids and friends did the work. They just needed to know how.

Givin' 'em a bid in this instance is estimating what it will cost the home owner in material, permits, etc. The reason I say this is, when you put in a bid, there's no hourly wage involved. It's included in the bid.

[dandi]

They could always claim "Freelance Waiting Room Channel Changer" on their résumé. Making the world safe from Faux News, one doctor's office at a time.

Ya know?

[jtyangel]

Could be that there are enough in the job pool they're weedin' out deadbeats, ( pun intended ), so that they're able to hire people who actually want and need a damn job!

Sittin' around in momma's basement, waitin' for somebody to pay you what you think you're worth, is not very attractive to those tryin' to make a buck in this, the O'Bumbler economy!

I gotta agree with some of the DUmmies on this one(although not their extreme solutions, obviously). I was an at home mother for 12 years, yet I'm sure more then a few employers weeded my resume out as a 'deadbeat'. Pity for them, I ended up with two places that wanted me before I stopped looking. With those with a little bit more discretion, what I've found is long term absences that can be explained or show an effort to improve, update, or better oneself are usually not looked in the same way as someone who just sat around collecting a check for several years. Sometimes it takes being creative to realize the skills you have or have obtained when you have not been in either formal schooling or formal employment. If DUmmies, oh I don't know, went to church, helped a neighbor with childcare or cleaning, etc they would realize they could put something down during those periods of unemployment to account for their time. The companies who just ditch you for having explainable stretches or aren't interested in skills obtained even when not on someone's payroll, imo, I don't want to work for them either--it says something about the company's value system and they probably are not on the positive sign of work/family balance given the reason I have such a long stretch of technical unemployment. Nor do they have the big picture view that understand not all skills are found in a degree or behind a desk.

What I don't get is why DUmmies don't just move on and forget those places anyway. Instead they have to encumber the system with more regulation. IMO, it does it's own weeding out process for me by telling me who I DON'T want to work for. 

[JohnnyReb]

"Hey man, I got my unemployment started. I'm gonna ride that horse 'til she dies."...I overheard some fellows laughing and talking this junk a year or more ago. Well, that horse, at least in SC, died this month, may she rest in peace. Now that same bunch is whinning/crying....and their wifes foodstamps got cut...

Yeah, it wasn't that long ago I heard them talking that they had heard Obama was going to extend their unemployment benefits. OH yeah, he was the man, "He's got my vote." Well, Obama did extend them but now they've finally run out....your extended vacation is over fellows.