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Romney keeps away from Tea Party
« on: January 21, 2011, 02:43:35 PM »
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WASHINGTON — New Hampshire Tea Party movement activist Andrew Hemingway is not lacking in contact with likely presidential candidates. He’s talked hockey with Tim Pawlenty. He sat down with former Pennsylvania senator Rick Santorum at the Concord Country Club. And plans are in the works for Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour to appear before a group of Hemingway’s fellow conservatives.

A notable exception among the field of would-be GOP presidential contenders? Mitt Romney.

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Re: Romney keeps away from Tea Party
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2011, 04:14:00 PM »
No surprise, the TEA Partiers are pretty underenthused about Romney.
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Re: Romney keeps away from Tea Party
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2011, 04:30:41 PM »
Drinking the Tea will be a hinderance in the general election.  You will not be able to embrace them and win.

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Re: Romney keeps away from Tea Party
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2011, 05:14:26 PM »
Drinking the Tea will be a hinderance in the general election.  You will not be able to embrace them and win.

As evidenced, of course, by the scores of TEA party candidates who flamed out last November?

Oh yeah...  :loser: :thatsright:
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Re: Romney keeps away from Tea Party
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2011, 06:03:57 PM »
Governer Good Hair isn't really Tea Party material anyway.
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Re: Romney keeps away from Tea Party
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2011, 06:57:39 PM »
Drinking the Tea will be a hinderance in the general election.  You will not be able to embrace them and win.

Looks and sounds like you have drinking too much koolaid.

Romney will court the NAACP, the Log Cabin Queers and the Eastern Establishment Blue Blood Rockefeller RINOs.. If he gets the nomination, I doubt that he can win cause millions of conservatives like me will not vote for that fraud.

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Re: Romney keeps away from Tea Party
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2011, 07:24:28 PM »
Drinking the Tea will be a hinderance in the general election.  You will not be able to embrace them and win.

Yeah, because President McCain did so well by being a moderate and ignoring the conservative base...

Oh, wait....

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Re: Romney keeps away from Tea Party
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2011, 02:54:08 AM »
Drinking the Tea will be a hinderance in the general election.  You will not be able to embrace them and win.

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Re: Romney keeps away from Tea Party
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2011, 04:36:17 AM »
Hopefully, the Tea Party will stay keep from him..........
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Re: Romney keeps away from Tea Party
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2011, 01:25:07 PM »
Hopefully, the Tea Party will stay keep from him..........

The folks in the TEA party seem - thus far - to be able to understand bullshit pretty fluently when they hear it.  It's as if every damned one of 'em were from Missouri or somethin'...
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Re: Romney keeps away from Tea Party
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2011, 06:23:58 PM »
I'm sorry, but Bok is correct.  While the Tea Party is popular among the majority of conservatives, it's very unpopular with other voting blocs, namely the coveted independents and certainly the left leaning moderates.  The biggest glaring examples of this were with Christine O'Donnell and Joe Miller.  Both were propelled into candidacy by the Tea Party, but they were soundly rejected by the rest of the voting public.  The 2008 election showed us just how badly we need moderate voters.

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Re: Romney keeps away from Tea Party
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2011, 06:34:28 PM »
I'm sorry, but Bok is correct.  While the Tea Party is popular among the majority of conservatives, it's very unpopular with other voting blocs, namely the coveted independents and certainly the left leaning moderates.  The biggest glaring examples of this were with Christine O'Donnell and Joe Miller.  Both were propelled into candidacy by the Tea Party, but they were soundly rejected by the rest of the voting public.  The 2008 election showed us just how badly we need moderate voters.

Please define "moderate" voters as you view the term.
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Re: Romney keeps away from Tea Party
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2011, 07:00:22 PM »
The 2008 election showed us just how badly we need moderate voters.

No. I think its the other way around. The 2008 election showed us just how badly the moderates need conservatives.

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Re: Romney keeps away from Tea Party
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2011, 09:34:16 PM »
I'm sorry, but Bok is correct.  While the Tea Party is popular among the majority of conservatives, it's very unpopular with other voting blocs, namely the coveted independents and certainly the left leaning moderates.  The biggest glaring examples of this were with Christine O'Donnell and Joe Miller.  Both were propelled into candidacy by the Tea Party, but they were soundly rejected by the rest of the voting public.  The 2008 election showed us just how badly we need moderate voters.

You pick out 2 incumbents Senators that won and and an awful RINO (McCain) for President. Pat yourself on the back. I guess you forgot 60% of independents voted for Repubs in the 2010 election; many Tea Party candidates won. FYI, we have too many left leaning moderates in the Repub party which need to be defeated. Palin is going to get the nomination and destroy Obummer in the debates.

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Re: Romney keeps away from Tea Party
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2011, 07:35:14 AM »
Please define "moderate" voters as you view the term.

Some conservatives are extremely far right with their views on fiscal responsibility (Palin).  Other conservatives are extremely far right with their views on social issues (Bush Jr.)  Then you have conservatives who are a mix of the two (me).  I'm not a fan of the extreme ends of either type of conservative. 
 
I consider myself to be a moderate Republican.  I am a Christian and believe that God shouldn't be removed from schools, but I also believe that the bible shouldn't guide official White House policy.  I believe in fiscal philosophies such as a flat tax (progressive taxation drives me nuts because of how unfair it is) and that government should cut spending, but I also believe that sometimes taxes have to be raised in order to sustain programs that are important to us.

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Re: Romney keeps away from Tea Party
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2011, 07:37:50 AM »
You pick out 2 incumbents Senators that won and and an awful RINO (McCain) for President. Pat yourself on the back. I guess you forgot 60% of independents voted for Repubs in the 2010 election; many Tea Party candidates won. FYI, we have too many left leaning moderates in the Repub party which need to be defeated. Palin is going to get the nomination and destroy Obummer in the debates.

Palin isn't going to ever poll well outside of the Tea Party.  She won't ever poll well with me personally because she simply doesn't have the experience to sit in the White House.  I think this country learned a valuable lesson with the Great Community Organizer and how badly he's dropped the football. 

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Re: Romney keeps away from Tea Party
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2011, 07:40:04 AM »

Palin isn't going to ever poll well outside of the Tea Party.  She won't ever poll well with me personally because she simply doesn't have the experience to sit in the White House.  I think this country learned a valuable lesson with the Great Community Organizer and how badly he's dropped the football. 

What experience are you looking for?

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Re: Romney keeps away from Tea Party
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2011, 07:43:14 AM »
No. I think its the other way around. The 2008 election showed us just how badly the moderates need conservatives.

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« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2011, 07:44:46 AM »
What experience are you looking for?

You know, I don't really know.  Obama proved that just being a Senator (albeit for a short period of time) doesn't fit my standard, but neither does being Governor of a sparsely populated state (Alaska).  But on the same side of that coin I like Bobby Jindal of Louisiana.  I dunno what I'm looking for, to be perfectly honest.  I'm very much on the fence with the pool of Republican candidates right now.  I'm not saying I won't vote along with the Tea Party, but I am saying I won't vote for Palin.  I am, however, completely in love with Bristol.   :cheersmate:

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Re: Romney keeps away from Tea Party
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2011, 07:46:32 AM »
I love that chart, thanks!  Being in a strong red state, I get into a comfort zone believing that the majority of the country is right leaning.  That chart confirms it a little at least.

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Re: Romney keeps away from Tea Party
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2011, 07:51:59 AM »

You know, I don't really know.  Obama proved that just being a Senator (albeit for a short period of time) doesn't fit my standard, but neither does being Governor of a sparsely populated state (Alaska).  But on the same side of that coin I like Bobby Jindal of Louisiana.  I dunno what I'm looking for, to be perfectly honest.  I'm very much on the fence with the pool of Republican candidates right now.  I'm not saying I won't vote along with the Tea Party, but I am saying I won't vote for Palin.  I am, however, completely in love with Bristol.   :cheersmate:

Governor Palin was the only sitting governor who was CIC of an active duty national guard base.   She also received very high level security briefings daily, as much to the contrary of the Tina Feys of the world, could indeed see Russia from her house.

She was the CEO of a state whose location is a high national security risk -- she gets it.   Moreso than most of the current pool of candidates.

I won't support Palin because she has been polarized by the media.   She is far more useful for the party in her present role of supporting strong candidates.
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Re: Romney keeps away from Tea Party
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2011, 07:56:00 AM »
You are 100% dead on.  She has been polarized by the media and I believe it makes her unelectable.  I'm afraid that if we nominate her as Obama's opposition next year, we're going to be stuck with him for another term. 
 
Huckabee is the leader of the pack right now, but remember that shooting in Seattle where 4 officers were killed?  Remember how the suspect was released from prison early on Huckabee's signature?  The media's being very quiet, but that's his achilles heel.  He'll still do well with the evangelicals, but I don't see independents moving his way either.  I'm not a big fan of Romney, but he's the strongest I see so far.  Unless Christie runs, then who knows what'll happen. 

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« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2011, 07:58:51 AM »
You are 100% dead on.  She has been polarized by the media and I believe it makes her unelectable.  I'm afraid that if we nominate her as Obama's opposition next year, we're going to be stuck with him for another term. 
 
Huckabee is the leader of the pack right now, but remember that shooting in Seattle where 4 officers were killed?  Remember how the suspect was released from prison early on Huckabee's signature?  The media's being very quiet, but that's his achilles heel.  He'll still do well with the evangelicals, but I don't see independents moving his way either.  I'm not a big fan of Romney, but he's the strongest I see so far.  Unless Christie runs, then who knows what'll happen. 

I would never support Huckabee.    Christy said he isn't ready to run.   No idea how strong Romney will be as we don't know who all the candidates are.   

I am interested in Cain and want to hear more from him.

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Re: Romney keeps away from Tea Party
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2011, 08:06:19 AM »
2012 is ours to lose.  I think as long as we don't prop up a candidate who practiced witch craft and railed against self-pleasure, we stand a chance.  :D

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Re: Romney keeps away from Tea Party
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2011, 08:17:03 AM »
The problem with "independent" voters (not those who have strong views one way or the other, but those who don't have any either way) is that they're fickle and deliberately choose not to educate themselves on political matters. A Democrat gets into the White House, they are happy for a bit then get tired of him, then vote for a Republican, and the cycle repeats itself. Because they don't have strong views either to the Right or the Left, they don't vote consistently for either Right or Left, but for whatever isn't in the White House, depending on if it takes them four or eight years to get fed up enough with someone (and the ideology, conservative or liberal, that guy represents).

During the year, they don't pay enough attention to politics, I suspect. A little bit of the local news once in a while, or a few articles in the paper - that's it. As both serious Right- and Left-wing voters know, it takes more than dipping your toes in the water to be swimming, and it takes more than the occasional cursory glance at news sources to be informed. So, to "reach out" to independent voters, what needs to be done?

Either abandon your principles and appeal to them on a contrary basis vis-a-vis the guy who's in the White House, or stand firm on your principles and trust that an honest display of them will touch the hearts and minds of independents, who also want what's best for their country, even though they don't see the need to stay informed as a daily practice.

So, the Tea Party is hardly an instant death-blow to a candidate in the faces of independents. All the independents need to do is see what the Tea Party and any associated candidate has to offer and where they stand. If they aren't Left-leaning independents, they'll not be put off and probably attracted. Since most independents, despite their general lack of political interests, lean essentially either conservative or liberal, that is what determines much of how they vote, I think.

Besides, what's so "extreme" and "off-putting" about the Tea Party, anyway? They only want constitutional rights and limited, responsible government. Oh yeah, sooo hardcore and sooo extreme ::) Only people who insist on letting the mainstream media influence their views could think that, not those who look at the Tea Partiers themselves and see just where they stand and what they think.


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