DUmmies Discuss What We Owe Them

[GOBUCKS]

The DUmmies have a ball dreaming up all the stuff we owe them for simply existing:

BrentWil (1000+ posts)        Wed Jan-19-11 10:21 PM
Original message
What is the minimum standard of living a society should accept for its poorest?
Simple question, very complex answers. Thought this is a very basic discussion that one should spend some time thinking about every so often.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x232633#232664

DUmmy ZombieHorde starts the fantasy, including a classic stoner game:

ZombieHorde  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jan-19-11 10:24 PM
Response to Original message
2. Health care, housing, food, and D&D.

HEyHEY (1000+ posts)        Wed Jan-19-11 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. Dungeons and dragons? That seems excessive, and nerdy

Not excessive at all. You may recall that the Las Vegas Lardass, a career freeloader, maintains a "premium" membership to some DUmbass computer game that he plays for endless hours every day, instead of looking for work. So DUmmy ZombieHorde's dream has already been realized.


DUmmy Motown_Johnny adds to the Sim World:

Motown_Johnny  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jan-19-11 10:40 PM
Response to Reply #3
19. + water, heat (or air conditioning in extreme climates) Some other energy provisions
such as simply having electric lights a refrigerator and a way to cook food, proper sanitation, proper clothing, some minimal creature comforts such as basic furniture
Security should go without saying, police and fire protection as well as EMS services if needed and national defense.

leftstreet  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jan-19-11 10:25 PM
Response to Original message
5. Article 1, Section 25, Universal Declaration of Human Rights
Article 25.
(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.

All bums are bums due to circumstances beyond their control.
 

DUmmy jody asks a really stupid question:

jody  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jan-19-11 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #5
10. Excellent answer but what if there's not enough wealth to go around?

DUmmy DJ13 explains democrat economics to the slow-learning jody:

DJ13  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jan-19-11 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. Theres always enough wealth, no matter the country
Take a country like Mexico for an example, it has an abundance of wealth derived from its rich mineral deposits, but the wealthy have never developed a sense of sharing, so theres a huge disparity between the well off and extreme poverty.
Its getting the obscenely wealthy to share thats the problem in most every country.

By the way, if you're reading this, you are obscenely wealthy.


DUmmy demmiblue has dreams of a couple of weeks at Sandals Antigua:

demmiblue  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jan-19-11 10:27 PM
Response to Original message
7. Food, housing, healthcare, education, modest vacation.

This talk of a beach bungalow rouses bobbolink from the back seat of the '86 Buick:

bobbolink  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jan-19-11 10:28 PM
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8. After the obvious necessities, FDR included recreation.  But, then... he was a Commie.

Seems reasonable that poor people should have access to things like recreation centers... to be able to swim, work out, take classes, etc. Even the Indian villages of New Mexico do that for their people. Why is it so unthinkable for the rest of the nation?

Can you imagine the odor in that Buick when DUmmy bobbolink gets back from her free Zumba class?

DUmmy dkf is a Lousy Freeper Troll:

dkf  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jan-19-11 10:32 PM
Response to Original message
11. What is the minimum a society can expect from an able bodied citizen?
That is probably the flip side to this question.  

DUmmy demmiblue, lost in dreams of palm trees, thong bikinis, and free umbrella drinks, is furious with DUmmy dkf:

demmiblue  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jan-19-11 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #11
21. I would be interested in reading your minimum expectations. Please, elucidate.

DUmmy Luminous Animal gets down to brass tacks. We owe him two grand a month tax free, plus COLA. His old lady gets the same:

Luminous Animal  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jan-19-11 10:36 PM
Response to Original message
14. Guaranteed income for all adults.
I'm thinking $24,000 a year indexed to real cost of living increases. For every dollar you earn, a dollar is taken away.

DUmmy catnhatnh gets the spirit. If Luminous Animal and his squeeze get $4K/mo. tax free, why not take it a step further? He'll let us off the hook if we guarantee him and his shackup $12K/month total, tax free and with COLA:

catnhatnh (1000+ posts)      Wed Jan-19-11 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #14
33. Just slightly off...
For there to be an incentive to work (which benefits the society) something more like a 50 cent reduction would work better...when I make 72K or more in income I'm on my own...

Surely the DUmmies won't be satisfied if a shacked up couple is only guaranteed $144K per year. The price of weed would probably go up by more than the Consumer Price Index. So at the very least, COLA needs to be indexed to the price of an ounce of Maui Wowie, and we need that spelled out in legislation.

[Chris_]

BrentWil (1000+ posts)        Wed Jan-19-11 10:21 PM
Original message
What is the minimum standard of living a society should accept for its poorest?

The chemical makeup of the human body is worth less than $20.  How about we give you a Jackson and call it even?

[AllosaursRus]

Surely the DUmmies won't be satisfied if a shacked up couple is only guaranteed $144K per year. The price of weed would probably go up by more than the Consumer Price Index. So at the very least, COLA needs to be indexed to the price of an ounce of Maui Wowie, and we need that spelled out in legislation.

Where you been? I think "Grape Ape" and "Angel's Breath" beats Mowie Wowie hands down!

Seriously, I think if you are able bodied and continue to sit on your ass waitin' for me to feed ya, ya ought to be fair game for instant euthanization! How's that, ya putrid sorry excuses for human beings?

Me and "Toots' have been doin' just fine on 50 grand a year for the last 3 years! And you pricks want 72 a piece? Well I guess we don't have the drug habit you have! I know, we make it 50 grand and ya have to pass a drug test in order to cash the checks!

Uh oh, y'all are gonna be ****ed, aren't ya?

[Rebel]

DJ13  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jan-19-11 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. Theres always enough wealth, no matter the country
Take a country like Mexico for an example, it has an abundance of wealth derived from its rich mineral deposits, but the wealthy have never developed a sense of sharing, so theres a huge disparity between the well off and extreme poverty.
Its getting the obscenely wealthy to share thats the problem in most every country.

All that shit would still be in the f'n ground if it weren't for some entrepreneur busting his ass and blowing his own money on an investment that could have easily bankrupted him. The government isn't going to do it, unless it means giving them more power, in ANY economic model.

What does society owe you leeches? Not a ****ING thing. I'm being dead serious here, if you idiots don't like how you're treated in THIS country, you can all f'n die horrible deaths as far as I'm concerned. Having been to some of your "paradises" there ARE no poor here. Only the ones that provide for themselves, and the government "dependents". Take your sorry asses to your beloved Venezuela and hit us up in a year or so. No where on EARTH are the "impoverished" driving around in Escalades, getting manicures, buying the BEST meat on EBT cards, and have plasmas. ....except here.

[Boudicca]

The chemical makeup of the human body is worth less than $20.  How about we give you a Jackson and call it even?

Hi5 for that zinger, chris.

[diesel driver]

bobbolink  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jan-19-11 10:28 PM
Response to Original message
8. After the obvious necessities, FDR included recreation.  But, then... he was a Commie.

Seems reasonable that poor people should have access to things like recreation centers... to be able to swim, work out, take classes, etc. Even the Indian villages of New Mexico do that for their people. Why is it so unthinkable for the rest of the nation?

Even the poor have to bathe, right?

Just keep the soap outta the pool.

[BlueStateSaint]

What does society owe you leeches? Not a ****ING thing. I'm being dead serious here, if you idiots don't like how you're treated in THIS country, you can all f'n die horrible deaths as far as I'm concerned. Having been to some of your "paradises" there ARE no poor here. Only the ones that provide for themselves, and the government "dependents". Take your sorry asses to your beloved Venezuela and hit us up in a year or so. No where on EARTH are the "impoverished" driving around in Escalades, getting manicures, buying the BEST meat on EBT cards, and have plasmas. ....except here.

H5, Kev.  Dead on.

[Karin]

Oh, good, GOBUCKS, a free pony thread!  To piggyback:

bobbolink  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jan-19-11 11:41 PM
Response to Reply #37
41. You are right. Thank you. Just like phones used to be considered a "luxury", net access is
 necessary to conduct modern life.

But, then, so are things that reduce stress, too... very necessary for health, both physical and mental.

So now Bobbo wants a Swedish massage, a whirlpool hottub, and a glass of cognac before a roaring fire. 

catnhatnh (1000+ posts)      Wed Jan-19-11 11:54 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. See...
 ...I forgot a phone-try to get a job without one!

And it has to have text-messaging capabilities, plus games.  Plus all the cool new apps.

People need free places to use restrooms! I personally, one year while riding a bus in Portland, saw a fella taking a pooop right in the middle of the grass or whatever it was surrounding highways going by him and above him, and I realized people are not necessarily allowed to walk in to any restroom anywhere just to use the toilet, think about that, one of life's basic needs, the need to relieve yourself.

You're mistaken.  You were in San Francisco.

Terry in Austin  (1000+ posts)      Thu Jan-20-11 02:07 AM
Response to Original message
53. Sufficient, decent and ordinary. But there's a better question.
 If we're doing it right, we don't have any "poor." People should have a right to a decent life and to be ordinary. Horatio Alger is a myth.

The more telling question is What's the maximum standard of living that a society should tolerate for its richest?
 

  Commie. 

[Doc Savage]

If these idiots want to see poor.  Drive thru northern Mexico or go to Jamaica. Using their rational, the poor people in this country would be sending money to those places. 

[VivisMom]

BrentWil (1000+ posts)        Wed Jan-19-11 10:21 PM
Original message
What is the minimum standard of living a society should accept for its poorest? 

How about we educate you for free (which this country already does.) After that, we don't owe you jack shit, you lazy ass mother****er. You want a house? Go earn some money to pay rent. You want food? Go earn some money to get groceries. You want a phone? Earn money to pay the bill.

[Celtic Rose]

Now, let us consider for a moment what our society provides for the poor. 

Food:  Food stamps are available to those below a certain income, and there are numerous food pantries that help out as well.  Schools provide free and reduced cost breakfast and lunches for children who need them.  And honestly, have you looked at the price of Oatmeal, or dried beans lately?  We have incredibly cheap food here.  I could buy enough Oatmeal to eat for breakfast everyday for a month for less than $4. 

Housing:  Section 8 housing.  The government usually pays over 70% of the rental costs of an place.  Yes, this requires some income, but it significantly reduces the required income to own a honestly.  Also, there are transitional homeless shelters, though they are often private organizations, many of which are Christian, which give families a safe place to stay temporarily while getting back on their feet.

Education:  Every child gets a free education through high school, which is a lot more than many other countries offer. 

Health Care:  Many urban areas have free clinics, and emergency rooms cannot turn people away, which has contributed to the cost of health care in this nation because we end up paying for all the deadbeats.  We are one of the most generous nations, and we have people giving money to help those who cannot afford treatment on a regular basis.  Many hospitals have a fund that has been created by the generosity of others to help pay. 

Quite simply, compared to historical standards, life is incredibly easy to all Americans.  Even the wealthy a hundred years ago wouldn't have dreamed of trying to heat and light an entire house.  The entire family would socialize in one area, which would be the only part heated or lit.  They would use a bed warmer to warm their beds right before getting in, and use a candle to get their.  Indoor bathrooms would have been an inconceivable luxury.  Food was very simply for most of history, with meat only being available to the very wealthy, and in Christian Countries, many of them would have avoided meat for much of year based on fasting rules. 

We have cheap electricity, cheap food, plenty of very cheap clean water (a huge luxury in most of the world), and yet, all they can think of what else they "need".   

[dutch508]

If these idiots want to see poor.  Drive thru northern Mexico or go to Jamaica. Using their rational, the poor people in this country would be sending money to those places. 

Go to any shithole that is not the US, and plenty of places in the US for that matter. Take a trip through Detroit, ****stick. I'd go armed, but it's up to you.

[thundley4]

Why can we make use of the closed military bases and house the poor there. Let them live in barracks style housing. It's good enough for the military, it should be good enough for them. Besides, they already have the fences surrounding them. 

[Godot showed up]

DUmmy ZombieHorde starts the fantasy, including a classic stoner game:

ZombieHorde  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jan-19-11 10:24 PM
Response to Original message
2. Health care, housing, food, and D&D.

Hey! I played D&D, and it was the stoners who tended to die at early levels. I never ran an MU who didn't make it to at least 9th level, and I had 3 (all my characters were MUs) who made it past 20th level. Heh, those were fun times. I always ended up Chaotic Evil, too, even if sometimes I'd start Chaotic Neutral. It's just more fun to be evil.

[micmac]

These people are total failures in life. 

[dandi]

Why can we make use of the closed military bases and house the poor there. Let them live in barracks style housing. It's good enough for the military, it should be good enough for them. Besides, they already have the fences surrounding them. 

I personally wouldn't want these vermin to tread the same hallowed ground as our defenders.

I think that reopening some of the old 18th and 19th century insane asylums/prisons that are currently dotting the landscape would be a good place to house these rejects.

[Godot showed up]

I personally wouldn't want these vermin to tread the same hallowed ground as our defenders.

I think that reopening some of the old 18th and 19th century insane asylums/prisons that are currently dotting the landscape would be a good place to house these rejects.

As long as we're dreaming, why not use DUmmies to test mine fields? They'd be doing something useful for the first time in their parasitic lives.

What THEY'RE owed? THEY owe US--and everyone else who pays the taxes that so many of them don't. And what they owe the United States for all the damage they've done to it surpasses the current national debt.

So I'm thinking that mine field testing might be a down payment on the debt they owe us, and the United States. If 100 useless DUmmies were sacrificed to save the life of one honorable soldier, it'd at least be a start. Hell, our military robots are worth much more than the DUmmies.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

So if we provide these things what do the recipients provide as compensation?

Will the state be allowed to enforce compulsory labor?

[GOBUCKS]

For years we've been using crash test DUmmies.

[DumbAss Tanker]

bobbolink  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jan-19-11 10:28 PM
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8. After the obvious necessities, FDR included recreation.

Yeah, so did Hitler, you tool.  Google 'Kraft durch Freude.'

The foundational principle of our country is that the Government doesn't owe anyone shit except beating the snot out of anyone from outside who tries to horn in on us by land or sea, keeping the States from doing anything too stupid or with too many unintended consequences to each other, and running a system of courts to handle disputes on Federal or interstate legal issues...the rest of it is mostly about what Government is supposed to NOT do.

[delilahmused]

catnhatnh (1000+ posts)      Wed Jan-19-11 11:54 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. See...
 ...I forgot a phone-try to get a job without one!

Right...they'd bother getting a job if someone was paying them a "living wage" to sit on their asses with all their needs met. It's supposed to cost less to sit on your ass, even in socialist paradises because you're not contributing to the community pool.

Cindie

[Godot showed up]

The foundational principle of our country is that the Government doesn't owe anyone shit except beating the snot out of anyone from outside

...AND from the inside. Enemies--foreign and domestic. Which the DUmmies and most of the Left are.

So we do owe them one thing. A snot-flinging beating.

[GOBUCKS]

catnhatnh (1000+ posts)      Wed Jan-19-11 11:54 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. See...
 ...I forgot a phone-try to get a job without one!

Wait a minute! The smelly vagrant DUmmy bobbolink, who is homeless, has told us she posts from the back seat of her '86 Buick, using an iPhone. So we must already provide them. Maybe DUmmy catnhatnh means an iPhone4.

[DumbAss Tanker]

...AND from the inside. Enemies--foreign and domestic. Which the DUmmies and most of the Left are.

So we do owe them one thing. A snot-flinging beating.

Good point.  It's overdue.

[jukin]

The only thing I owe, the DUchebags can suck out of my balloon knot.