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"Water is wet"
« on: January 18, 2011, 06:37:49 AM »
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Study: Many College Students Not Learning to Think Critically 
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Source: McClatchy Newspapers

Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2011

Study: Many college students not learning to think critically

By Sara Rimer, The Hechinger Report | The Hechinger Report

NEW YORK — An unprecedented study that followed several thousand undergraduates through four years of college found that large numbers didn't learn the critical thinking, complex reasoning and written communication skills that are widely assumed to be at the core of a college education.

Many of the students graduated without knowing how to sift fact from opinion, make a clear written argument or objectively review conflicting reports of a situation or event, according to New York University sociologist Richard Arum, lead author of the study. The students, for example, couldn't determine the cause of an increase in neighborhood crime or how best to respond without being swayed by emotional testimony and political spin.

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Forty-five percent of students made no significant improvement in their critical thinking, reasoning or writing skills during the first two years of college, according to the study. After four years, 36 percent showed no significant gains in these so-called "higher order" thinking skills.

Combining the hours spent studying and in class, students devoted less than a fifth of their time each week to academic pursuits. By contrast, students spent 51 percent of their time — or 85 hours a week — socializing or in extracurricular activities.

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/01/18/106949/study-many...

 

My mom use to say she was educated at the College of Hard Knocks. Her ability to think and reason put many a college educated liberal to shame.

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Common Sense Party  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jan-18-11 01:32 AM
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1. Also in the news, New Study finds: Water Still Wet.
 This has been under way for a loooong time.


Why yes, yes it has.  Makes you think about the high prices paid for a 'college education' doesn't it. 

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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts)        Tue Jan-18-11 07:15 AM
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32. Did colleges ever explicitly teach critical thinking?
 Students should start the process of critical thinking in kindergarten. If students arrive at college as freshmen with reduced skills compared to 10, 20 or 50 years ago, you can be guaranteed that the finished product with be similarly inferior. 
This will not end well.  Never cast aspersions on BigEd or his bro SPED.  Not a good idea.
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Hardrada  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jan-18-11 01:47 AM
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7. I remember profs trying to get the thought processes
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of some of my classmates going. Didn't work for most of them. They just went on into tech or biz and raised families, made some bread, and voted repuke if they voted and now are dyin off still without original thoughts. The way of the world, I suppose.
 

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bluestateguy (1000+ posts)        Tue Jan-18-11 01:53 AM
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8. They have all come of age through No Child Left Behind bullshit
 and when they find college isn't that way, they can't handle it. 
 




There you have it, all the fault of the Evil Ted Kennedy / Geo Bush NCLB.  Great minds? 



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Re: "Water is wet"
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2011, 06:45:15 AM »
DUmmie said....If students arrive at college as freshmen with reduced skills compared to 10, 20 or 50 years ago, you can be guaranteed that the finished product with be similarly inferior.

I thought Bill Ayers was all about raising their critical thinking?
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Re: "Water is wet"
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2011, 07:02:06 AM »
The problem is simple - actual critical thinkers seldom become DUmmies. Critical thinking skills would prevent illogical changes of opinion that primitives commonly have.

Example:

George Bush as president - the 9/11 truth movement is to expose the complicity of the Bush administration in the terror acts of 9/11/01,and to honor the brave whistleblowers who come forth.

Now - The 9/11 truth movement is an organization of conservatives, mainly libertarians, who use this horrible tragedy to further hatred of the 'inept' federal government. The 9/11 troofers are all racist conservative kooks like Loughner.


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Re: "Water is wet"
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2011, 07:05:03 AM »
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The students, for example, couldn't determine the cause of an increase in neighborhood crime or how best to respond without being swayed by emotional testimony and political spin.

That sounds exactly like the DUmbasses to me.


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Re: "Water is wet"
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2011, 07:29:42 AM »
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ehrnst  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jan-18-11 06:23 AM
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27. Yep - my husband is a carpenter/welder, and he did not fit in on jobsites
 Until he started work at a theatrical scenery shop.
 
:lmao: :rotf:

This is a little long, but interesting:

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melm00se (1000+ posts)      Tue Jan-18-11 06:24 AM
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29. Having sat in a classroom
 over the last 6 semesters (after being out of school for north of 25 years), I can really understand this.

the recent high school graduates are, frankly, scary.

They have:

- No study skills (all studying for an exam is should not happen in the hallway before the exam)
- No ability to string more than 5 words together in a coherent thought
- No ability to write using basic grammar
- Minimal vocabulary skills (words with more than 2 syllables seem to escape them)
- No research skills (if it's not in wikipedia it couldn't have happened. libraries? what's a library/card catalog?)

These kids couldn't draw a big picture conclusion from the data (which, BTW, is given to them - forget uncovering the data on their own) if you gave them a fricking paint by numbers kit.

I have seen some of their writings. One professor, being close to me in age (and with the same level of frustration I have so has found a kindred spirit in the classroom), has shown me some of the papers turned in (after sanitizing the names) and OH MY GOD!

- Run on sentences that are so incredibly long that you feel like they are going to continue into the next paragraph.
- Spelling? how can you screw that up with spellchecker?
- 10 page papers that long only because the margins and fonts selected make a 5 pager into 10.
- Obvious plagiarism (one of my personal favorites): 5 paragraphs...each written with a completely different style and variations of English (3 pages using British spelling and colloquialisms and 2 with American). And that was going to be missed...why?
- (Another personal favorite) Recycled papers. New opening and closing paragraphs in an attempt to pass off an comparative Lit paper as an History paper.
 

Thank you public education and teacher's unions. 

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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2011, 08:47:55 AM »
:lmao: :rotf:

This is a little long, but interesting:

Thank you public education and teacher's unions.  

Bingo.  Back in the day we all sat around joking about the Education majors, the perennial favorite being "those who can do, those who can't teach, those who can do neither become Phys Ed instructors and go on to administration or fund rasing."

Sadly it has proved too true.  

I confess that I will never be head buckaroo at the grammar rodeo and I frequently make spelling errors, the key is drafts and proof reading.  At one point I got a chance to see exactly what the poster melm00se was saying.  It weren't pretty.  It was in a graduate level course which meant all the participants were college graduates, the prof passed out blind copies of some of the most horrendous writing in the world.  I was startled, the year was 1986.



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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2011, 08:54:35 AM »
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- Obvious plagiarism (one of my personal favorites)

I thought the DUmp had a policy not to call out other members...this person is obviously targeting Will the Pitiful.
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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2011, 09:00:56 AM »
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Many of the students graduated without knowing how to sift fact from opinion, make a clear written argument or objectively review conflicting reports of a situation or event, according to New York University sociologist Richard Arum, lead author of the study. The students, for example, couldn't determine the cause of an increase in neighborhood crime or how best to respond without being swayed by emotional testimony and political spin.

And that right there friends describes the collective "brain trust" of the DUmp to a T
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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2011, 09:04:31 AM »
I thought the DUmp had a policy not to call out other members...this person is obviously targeting Will the Pitiful.

What I liked about that was WeeWillie admitted it and got praised by his sycophants.   :argh:
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« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2011, 09:13:02 AM »
And that right there friends describes the collective "brain trust" of the DUmp to a T

You should see the pc $hit they put in standardized test questions (in math no less). And I might point out, you do not need the right answer in math anymore.  In fact I have seen times where a person with a correct answer received a lower score than a person who got the answer wrong.  Think about that for a minute.   

2+2 can, in fact, = 5 and still get a passing score in today's new and improved system.   :mental: 

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« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2011, 09:14:37 AM »
- Run on sentences that are so incredibly long that you feel like they are going to continue into the next paragraph.

That's me.....and I'm tempted to write more just to prove it.
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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2011, 09:14:59 AM »
You should see the pc $hit they put in standardized test questions (in math no less). And I might point out, you do not need the right answer in math anymore.  In fact I have seen times where a person with a correct answer received a lower score than a person who got the answer wrong.  Think about that for a minute.   

2+2 can, in fact, = 5 and still get a passing score in today's new and improved system.   :mental: 

Potatonomics will be a burgeoning field. :thatsright: 

Damn.  And here I was considering finishing my degree when I got back to Germany.
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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2011, 09:21:41 AM »
Yup, just throw more money at the schools. Money, the magic fairy dust of the liberal world, will make it all better ::)

Public schools, teacher's unions, etc - all to blame. Way to go.


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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2011, 09:23:53 AM »
Of course to the denizens of the DUmp, not capitalizing sentences and not using paragraphs is a clear sign of soooooooper jeanuus.

That thread is so full of 'Kettle' it really did make me laugh out loud.
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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2011, 09:24:39 AM »
The problem is simple - actual critical thinkers seldom become DUmmies. Critical thinking skills would prevent illogical changes of opinion that primitives commonly have.

Yes; the DUmmies in that thread are confusing "Critical thinking," which is good, with their own brand "Contrarian thinking," "Conspiracy theory/paranoid delusional systems," or "Psychotic thought processes."
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts)        Tue Jan-18-11 01:53 AM
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8. They have all come of age through No Child Left Behind bullshit
 and when they find college isn't that way, they can't handle it. 

Bush came into office in 2001.

It is 2011.

Is this idiot saying kids went through school and graduated college inside of 10 years?

THERE is your lack of critical thinking, DUmbasses.
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« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2011, 01:01:03 PM »
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ehrnst  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jan-18-11 06:23 AM
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27. Yep - my husband is a carpenter/welder, and he did not fit in on jobsites Until he started work at a theatrical scenery shop.
Not sure where this DUmmie lives, but I see tons of ads for welders/met fabricators in my area.

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« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2011, 02:20:09 PM »
Yup, just throw more money at the schools. Money, the magic fairy dust of the liberal world, will make it all better ::)

Public schools, teacher's unions, etc - all to blame. Way to go.

Well they do have the DC schools to prove their point, ya know!

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« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2011, 04:12:15 PM »
Bush came into office in 2001.

It is 2011.

Is this idiot saying kids went through school and graduated college inside of 10 years?

THERE is your lack of critical thinking, DUmbasses.

Time as it is measured on a Soap Opera...character on a soap opera has a baby, they show the baby as she hands it off to the maid or nanny and the maid or nanny takes it upstairs.....two weeks later the baby comes down having just graduated from law or medical school.
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« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2011, 07:11:38 PM »
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27. Yep - my husband is a carpenter/welder, and he did not fit in on jobsites
Until he started work at a theatrical scenery shop.

Translation: He goes to work in his drag queen costume.
 

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« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2011, 08:34:53 PM »
That sounds exactly like the DUmbasses to me.


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A: George Bush

Q: What infrastructure failures led to the extensive flooding of New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina?
A: George Bush

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« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2011, 09:20:55 PM »
You all know that this is really the Dump membership.




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