What do you think of creating a progressive state in the United States?

[Carl]

But you're not a gurl!

No,but still miserably trapped here due to family issues.

[BEG]

No,but still miserably trapped here due to family issues.

I think you would have to marry me to get an "in". Everthing comes through me.

[Carl]

I think you would have to marry me to get an "in". Everthing comes through me.

That sounds like a perfect plan. 

[ScubaGuy]

Imajika (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Jan-14-11 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #9
24. All too often though, that is not what happens....
   
As long as our 50 states are effectively competing with one another, it is hard to prevent the upper and business classes from simply taking their money and going elsewhere. Hell, they can still sell stuff in your progressive state, they just don't base their operations there thus depriving your state of the tax revenue. States are constantly trying to poach other states businesses to their own states by promising lower taxes and special incentives.

Illinois just the other day significantly raised state tax rates, and the result has been that Wisconsin, Indiana and others will make every effort to lure Illinois businesses away - and all too often be successful at it.

One of the things those who support a far more progressive tax system must do is work around this environment of state competition. One way would to have the Federal government level additional taxes that they turn around and block grant back to the states that they received the additional taxes from. Perhaps some kind of special upper income surcharge. This would mean the new tax effects ALL the states (and everyone in them) equally thus preventing business and the wealthy from trying to skate out of paying their fair share.

Creating a more progressive tax structure on the local and state level is one of the issues I focus most on, and it is hard for me to see it really getting done if we don't figure out ways to work around this problem of many states constant efforts at luring the business and upper classes away using special tax breaks and incentives.

Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Jan-14-11 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #24
30. Well, being blackmailed by the top 1% doesn't work
   
either. Seems to me that those businesses who want to sell to us, should be able to accept laws that give them the privilege to sell in your state if they are out of state. Tariffs and out-of-state business licenses or even expecting them to incorporate in your state so that any income they make in your state is subject to corporate tax are a few of the things that come to mind to me. I mean if you can make the legislature cooperate here, it shouldn't be a huge problem. I can see a lot of sources of income that aren't tapped into because of the fear that they might go away. Remember they are just as dependent on doing business in your state as you need them. And if they aren't, good riddance.

I think most businesses could get along just fine selling to the other 57 states.

That much stupid should hurt.

[MoshMasterD]

California, Massachusetts, Michigan, New York, Washington, Oregon, Illinois.  

Feel free to add any Lib shitholes you can come up with....

Those aren't states.  They're countries.

[Duke Nukum]

If creating a "progressive state" is such a great idea, how come nobody is flocking behind it?  The answer is: Because progressivism is an illusion that, when implemented, leads to slavery and mass death.

Freedom is the enemy of Progressivism.

[NHSparky]

Also, consider that people are leaving MA in droves, as they are in Maine...so much so, that the population of Maine is less than that of New Hampshire for the first time since 1800.

Maryland went to the "stick-it-to-the-rich" taxes.  300,000 millionaires left the state.

New Jersey has sucked the life out of their taxpayers.  Ditto Illinois, Minnesota, and Washington.

Want me to keep going, libtards?

[GOBUCKS]

California, Massachusetts, Michigan, New York, Washington, Oregon, Illinois.  

Feel free to add any Lib shitholes you can come up with....

The sad thing is that even in these worst of the crumbling socialist states, way over 90% of the state is purely conservative. Their downfall is forced by small blue slivers of geography that are teeming, crawling, seething with government-dependent democrat voters, some living, many long dead but still loyal to the party. New York, for example, without the southeasternmost 5% of its area, would be a solid red bastion. It's not unlike a great ship being sent to the bottom by a small hole below its waterline.

[Freeper]

Does anyone recall DUmmyville?
A few years back a town up north in New England somewhere, I believe, was up for sale.
A group of DUmmies talked about buying it and having their own progressive paradise.
It got about as far as quarantinefoxnews.com got.   

[Freeper]

oops it was in Washington state,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2105558

[BlueStateSaint]

The sad thing is that even in these worst of the crumbling socialist states, way over 90% of the state is purely conservative. Their downfall is forced by small blue slivers of geography that are teeming, crawling, seething with government-dependent democrat voters, some living, many long dead but still loyal to the party. New York, for example, without the southeasternmost 5% of its area, would be a solid red bastion. It's not unlike a great ship being sent to the bottom by a small hole below its waterline.

That analogy would follow, but let me add to it--the "small hole below its waterline" was made by a Mark 48 ADCAP.  Maybe Sparky can tell ya what kind of "small hole" that makes.

[Rebel]

Noooooo, don't leave me here to rot!  

You and K can be kidnapped, doll. Don't ever question the reach of the VRWC.  

[Janice]

If creating a "progressive state" is such a great idea, how come nobody is flocking behind it? 

Same reason no one flocked behind Air America?

[Varokhâr]

I love it that a poster there actually realized that if all the rich people left, they'd have no one to tax "progressively". Deep down, they know their liberal socialist utopia is a sham and a fraud, nothing more than unrealistic make-believe.

But yeah, liberals are going to get to establish their own un-American state within the borders of the US (where they can ignore any law they wish and make up their own as they choose) when Hell freezes over. No one is just going to let them do whatever they want, unless enough of the voters of a state get behind a politician that spouts their nutty ideas. Plenty of states in the union already are slouching towards this.

[NHSparky]

That analogy would follow, but let me add to it--the "small hole below its waterline" was made by a Mark 48 ADCAP.  Maybe Sparky can tell ya what kind of "small hole" that makes.

Doesn't even make a "small hole".  A modern torpedo detonates UNDER the hull of a boat or ship, creating a vacuum, where the weight of the ship breaks the keel.

Hey, imagine that--nice anaolgy--the vacuum created causes the whole system to collapse upon itself.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

If you support the 10th Amendment you support the OP.

I do and as long as there is an understanding amongst all parties that whatever policies they freely adopt will never be supported by federal bailout I wish them the best of luck.

Seriously. They have the right to do just what they are talking about and they should be encouraged to withdraw their incessant demands that all solutions be federalized in favor of seeking state and local solutions.

[NHSparky]

The problem is, those "progressive" states we already have are going to shit.

They're going to be looking for a bailout from the FEDERAL government when they're finally well and truly insolvent.

If the feds do in fact bail them out, THAT more than anything else will be the trip point for the Second American Revolution.

[BlueStateSaint]

The problem is, those "progressive" states we already have are going to shit.

They're going to be looking for a bailout from the FEDERAL government when they're finally well and truly insolvent.

If the feds do in fact bail them out, THAT more than anything else will be the trip point for the Second American Revolution.

I never thought I'd do this, but I'm going to say this:  New Gov. Cuomo, a Dem, seems to be making the right noises about closing the defecit in NY.

But, I think that you're right about the "trip point."

[true_blood]

Capitalocracy  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jan-14-11 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. Agree 100%.
Let them go. Why would we need them? As long as we can pass living wage legislation, maybe legalize the weed and bring in tourism and not spend all our money on prisons, we can create our own economy. All the top 1% do is squeeze the economy anyway, not help it grow.

I would honestly love to watch this FAIL in front of my eyes. Would take less than a year.

[GOBUCKS]

Capitalocracy  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jan-14-11 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. Agree 100%.
Let them go. Why would we need them? As long as we can pass living wage legislation, maybe legalize the weed and bring in tourism and not spend all our money on prisons, we can create our own economy. All the top 1% do is squeeze the economy anyway, not help it grow.

Uh, DUmmy Capitalocracy, if you drive out the wealthy people, who is going to pay you that living wage? And what is it you're going to do to earn it?

[DumbAss Tanker]

Uh, DUmmy Capitalocracy, if you drive out the wealthy people, who is going to pay you that living wage? And what is it you're going to do to earn it?

Sell drugs to the stoners from all the other states, apparently.  At least until the other states get tired, and set up border checkpoints to stop the influx of drugs from Progressia.

[diesel driver]

I say let them create their regressive state, but not on this planet.

Ship them to Mars.  Hell, paying for them to go there would be cheaper than continuing their social programs here.

They could "live off the land", so to speak.  Summers there are 6 months long, and since the have their heads up their asses anyway, they are used to a low/no oxygen atmosphere. 

[formerlurker]

The problem is, those "progressive" states we already have are going to shit.

They're going to be looking for a bailout from the FEDERAL government when they're finally well and truly insolvent.

If the feds do in fact bail them out, THAT more than anything else will be the trip point for the Second American Revolution.

Obama is already talking about state stimulus bailout.    It will never pass the house, and it shouldn't -- but if the Messiah is thinking he is getting re-elected he is mistaken.    Massive cuts of municipal workers and state programs are on the horizon for FY12.   It's about to get very ugly kids.

[miskie]

Gee, didn't take long for the primitives to dredge this up again --

I though the plan last time was for all of them to move to Vermont, gradually replace the laws with moonbat ones, and then secede ?

[NHSparky]

Gee, didn't take long for the primitives to dredge this up again --

I though the plan last time was for all of them to move to Vermont, gradually replace the laws with moonbat ones, and then secede ?

Only if they put machine gun towers and mine the banks of the Connecticut River on the NH side first.