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mmonk  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jan-14-11 03:40 PM
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What do you think of creating a progressive state in the United States?
 Could this be a way around a rightwing government? We could create a modern state state with a progressive income tax system that pays its bills, supports a public education system, a superior infrastucture, and health care access for it residents.
 

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BzaDem  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jan-14-11 03:41 PM
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1. Part of the problem with doing things at the state level is that the top 1% can easily move to
 another state.
 

Makes sense.

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Cleita  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jan-14-11 03:46 PM
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4. And this is bad why?
 Let them go. They take everything and contribute nothing. It gives the opportunity for others to step up and to fill the void hopefully in a more egalitarian way that benefits everyone, not just a few.
 

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Capitalocracy  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jan-14-11 03:49 PM
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6. Agree 100%.
 Let them go. Why would we need them? As long as we can pass living wage legislation, maybe legalize the weed and bring in tourism and not spend all our money on prisons, we can create our own economy. All the top 1% do is squeeze the economy anyway, not help it grow.

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OneTenthofOnePercent  (1000+ posts)      Fri Jan-14-11 03:49 PM
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7. If you have a progressive tax system... and all the rich people leave...
 who are going to "progressively tax"?
 

Interesting question.

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Cleita  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jan-14-11 03:52 PM
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9. Other people will become rich when they leave and fill the void and
 Edited on Fri Jan-14-11 03:53 PM by Cleita
not all the rich can leave. They will grumble but they know their fortunes are still tied up in where they live much of the time. They will have to realize that they too must be part of the solution, not the problem. I find this is a big urban legend perpetrated by the rich.

That about sums up the combined knowledge of economics at the DUmp.

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LoZoccolo  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jan-14-11 03:54 PM
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10. I think it would never happen because it would require work and thus getting off the Internet. n/t

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Re: What do you think of creating a progressive state in the United States?
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2011, 03:08:07 PM »
Those terrible rich people--where do they get off thinking that their money is their money?

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Re: What do you think of creating a progressive state in the United States?
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2011, 03:08:43 PM »
California, Massachusetts, Michigan, New York, Washington, Oregon, Illinois.  

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Re: What do you think of creating a progressive state in the United States?
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2011, 03:19:52 PM »
Hey DUmbasses, it's already happening NOW. Exhibit A: Many conservative southern states are gaining congressional seats. Exhibit B: Many northern liberal states are losing congressional seats.

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Re: What do you think of creating a progressive state in the United States?
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2011, 03:23:50 PM »
Hey DUmbasses, it's already happening NOW. Exhibit A: Many conservative southern states are gaining congressional seats. Exhibit B: Many northern liberal states are losing congressional seats.

These idiots have the combined IQ of a fungus.

I LOVE how CA is leaking money AND political power to Texas. Another census and maybe Texas will nearly match CA in electoral votes. (Is it 34 now, or is that before re-apportionment per the census?)

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Re: What do you think of creating a progressive state in the United States?
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2011, 03:32:20 PM »
I LOVE how CA is leaking money AND political power to Texas. Another census and maybe Texas will nearly match CA in electoral votes. (Is it 34 now, or is that before re-apportionment per the census?)

Just announced today that Carnival Cruise Lines is relocating the POE for the bulk of its southern trips from LA to Galveston, TX, with the loss of millions in revenue and tourism to CA.  The cited reason is reduced costs, and the precipitous decline in Mexican cruises due to the drug violence there.

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Re: What do you think of creating a progressive state in the United States?
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2011, 03:34:23 PM »
I LOVE how CA is leaking money AND political power to Texas. Another census and maybe Texas will nearly match CA in electoral votes. (Is it 34 now, or is that before re-apportionment per the census?)

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Texas, as expected, gained the most seats, moving from 32 to 36 seats thanks to big gains in population

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Re: What do you think of creating a progressive state in the United States?
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2011, 03:42:20 PM »
You have California, you had Michigan until they decided to wise up about the virtues of regressivism.
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Re: What do you think of creating a progressive state in the United States?
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2011, 03:53:26 PM »
Just announced today that Carnival Cruise Lines is relocating the POE for the bulk of its southern trips from LA to Galveston, TX, with the loss of millions in revenue and tourism to CA.  The cited reason is reduced costs, and the precipitous decline in Mexican cruises due to the drug violence there.

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I don't understand, why would there be a decline in Mexican cruise revenue? :???:Janet Incompatano has repeatedly assured us that our borders are secure.  Surely they wouldn't be if Mexico were unsafe!  :evillaugh:

HEY, why doesn't the DLC schedule the next Presidential Convention in sunny, peaceful Mejico. :stirpot:
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Re: What do you think of creating a progressive state in the United States?
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2011, 03:59:17 PM »
Have fun and stay on your side.  If you cross the state line, we will shoot you.  <---- is that threatening?  lol
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Re: What do you think of creating a progressive state in the United States?
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2011, 04:01:12 PM »
California, Massachusetts, Michigan, New York, Washington, Oregon, Illinois.  

Feel free to add any Lib shitholes you can come up with....


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Re: What do you think of creating a progressive state in the United States?
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2011, 04:05:13 PM »
Hey DUmbasses, it's already happening NOW. Exhibit A: Many conservative southern states are gaining congressional seats. Exhibit B: Many northern liberal states are losing congressional seats.

These idiots have the combined IQ of a fungus.

There's an old saying here in Maryland from the Eastern Shore that is quite appropriate:

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Re: What do you think of creating a progressive state in the United States?
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2011, 04:09:14 PM »
So says Wile E. Coyote, Super Duper Genius!

I just love how they think they will convince everyone in their "Progressive State" to give up 70% of their earnings so they can have a feel good moment!

I'm curious, asshat, just how do ya get rich when 70% of your income is confiscated? Isn't that against your religion anyway? Anything over 75 grand will belong to gubmint, won't it? I spose to you cow pies that's rich, but I fear you will have a rude awakening when your "working wage" makes all your products so expensive no one will be able to actually "buy" them!

Do ya really think DUmpin more dollars into education, oops, y'all will have to come up with your own currency since it won't be worth nearly as much as the national currency won't ya, you bein' progressive and all, will make your children any smarter because you teach them the proper way of "installin" a rubber? Or that it's okay for Sam and Dan to have 6 kids, all boys ages 8 thru 13!

Do ya pay attention at all? DC spends more per kid than damn near anywhere else yet, has some of the DUmbest kids on the planet! And those are the one's that actually graduate for cripes sake! Heaven help ya when a full 40% refuse to show up in class since you people refuse to hold them accountable! All that "we can't keep score, and grades could hurt their feelings" crap!

I could go on, but it is clear you must have attended school in DC! Or perhaps your parents let ya skip class! Would explain a lot, wouldn't it, DUmbass?
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Re: What do you think of creating a progressive state in the United States?
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2011, 04:10:34 PM »

Noooooo, don't leave me here to rot!  :bawl:

Don't worry BEG.  Your husbands company will be moving with all the other companies.  Probably to Texas!

 :-)

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Re: What do you think of creating a progressive state in the United States?
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2011, 04:13:01 PM »
Have fun and stay on your side.  If you cross the state line, we will shoot you.  <---- is that threatening?  lol

Only if you try to cross the state line  :-)

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Re: What do you think of creating a progressive state in the United States?
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2011, 04:13:16 PM »
Don't worry BEG.  Your husbands company will be moving with all the other companies.  Probably to Texas!

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I highly doubt it, the company culture isn't Texas material. God how I wish it were.

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Re: What do you think of creating a progressive state in the United States?
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2011, 04:14:44 PM »

Noooooo, don't leave me here to rot!  :bawl:

You're granted a lifetime exit visa  :-)

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« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2011, 04:15:36 PM »
I highly doubt it, the company culture isn't Texas material. God how I wish it were.

Culture smulture.  Taxes are what drives away companies.  CA if fixing to try to stick it to a whole bunch of them.  They are going to leave in droves if that happens.  If CA backs off ... you may be stuck.

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Re: What do you think of creating a progressive state in the United States?
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2011, 04:19:46 PM »
Only if you try to cross the state line  :-)

I'll be a dhimmi if you let me in! Pay double taxes! Wash Texans' cars! For mercy's sake, I live in NY, man! Have pity!

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Re: What do you think of creating a progressive state in the United States?
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2011, 04:23:32 PM »
Culture smulture.  Taxes are what drives away companies.  CA if fixing to try to stick it to a whole bunch of them.  They are going to leave in droves if that happens.  If CA backs off ... you may be stuck.

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Re: What do you think of creating a progressive state in the United States?
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Cleita  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jan-14-11 03:52 PM
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9. Other people will become rich when they leave and fill the void and
 Edited on Fri Jan-14-11 03:53 PM by Cleita
not all the rich can leave. They will grumble but they know their fortunes are still tied up in where they live much of the time. They will have to realize that they too must be part of the solution, not the problem. I find this is a big urban legend perpetrated by the rich.

Oh yeah, I know if I was a budding entrepreneur the first place I'd want to put down roots is the new Venezuela of Norteamerica.

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Re: What do you think of creating a progressive state in the United States?
« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2011, 04:30:22 PM »
I highly doubt it, the company culture isn't Texas material. God how I wish it were.

Trust me, there is a time when the cost of doing business will overcome the most ingrained "culture".

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Re: What do you think of creating a progressive state in the United States?
« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2011, 04:35:59 PM »
You're granted a lifetime exit visa  :-)

I want the same for NY...I hate it here as much as BEG does California I bet.

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Re: What do you think of creating a progressive state in the United States?
« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2011, 04:39:07 PM »
Only if you try to cross the state line  :-)

I hope you aren't depending on the federal gummint to secure those borders.
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Re: What do you think of creating a progressive state in the United States?
« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2011, 04:39:41 PM »
I want the same for NY...I hate it here as much as BEG does California I bet.

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