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Cid_B (1000+ posts)      Wed Jan-12-11 06:16 PM
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5. Maybe the bad thoughts were beamed from the EIB satellite?
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MadHound  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jan-12-11 06:16 PM
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6. *GASP* You mean that the shooter was motivated by the demons in his own head,
 And not the political rhetoric of the right?

Boy, that's not going to go over well here, though in the end it is probably much more truthful than the whole "Beck, Limbaugh, Palin made him do it" speculation.

elocs  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jan-12-11 06:43 PM
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14. Likely correct, but this apparently is an opportunity too good to pass up
 for those who want to blame the right and the hatred talk for this specific tragedy. Lots of speculation, but you won't see anyone who speculated wrong posting about how they were mistaken.

I think that was has actually scared the right the most about this is that it could have been one of their own, a fanatical idealogue in their right mind who willingly and anxiously drank the kool aide and embraced the hate doctrine. A person who listened to Limbaugh and Beck and went to the Tea Party rallies. I think the right knows that it could have been that way, so they are relieved it was not.
Reality is a harsh mistress, especially here at DU.

 

MadHound  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jan-12-11 06:51 PM
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20. At this point I'm doing what any smart person does, going with what the evidence shows
 The evidence, from friends, family, acquaintances, administrators, faculty, are all saying that politics was a secondary motivation to Loughner, if any sort of motivation at all. Some of his friends state that his politics were of the left, others are saying he wasn't political at all.

But the one thing that they are all saying is that this young man was deeply, dangerously disturbed, and that he needed the help of mental health experts, and they feared for him, themselves and others if he didn't get that help.

Now if that evidence changes, my opinion will change. But what I'm seeing here at DU is that a lot of people have jumped on the "RW rhetoric made him kill" bandwagon, not because of any evidence, but because it vindicates their world view and opinion. Trouble is, it makes people look like a bunch of fools when that turns out to not be the case.

If you don't want to go with the evidence, fine. But me, I'll stick with where the evidence will lead me.

bettyellen (1000+ posts)      Wed Jan-12-11 07:23 PM
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26. you;re "going with" anecdotal stuff that is four years old instead of his own recent rantings
 whatever suits your needs.

 

Cid_B (1000+ posts)      Wed Jan-12-11 09:32 PM
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41. It did shift.. kinda...
 Initially the whole bandwagon was full to capacity with the "He's a right wing assassin. He did this because he heard Beck and Limbaugh and Palin telling him to do so" group

As the days pass and more evidence comes out that just isn't the case it shifts a bit..

The original group is still there but another bandwagon has pulled up for the "Well, he may not have been affected by their speech directly but their inflammatory rhetoric created a world where this could happen" crowd. Basically a case of not letting the political opportunity go to waste...

You can see the hope lingering even in this thread. "Forget what you hear from that guy who knew him 3 years ago! The FBI just hasn't found his FR posts yet! Then you'll see!"

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If anyplace, I would expect the FBI to find his posts in peacepink, or any of the financial message boards at Yahoo Finance.  Lots of nuts post there.

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elocs  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jan-12-11 06:43 PM
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14. Likely correct, but this apparently is an opportunity too good to pass up
 for those who want to blame the right and the hatred talk for this specific tragedy. Lots of speculation, but you won't see anyone who speculated wrong posting about how they were mistaken.

I think that was has actually scared the right the most about this is that it could have been one of their own, a fanatical idealogue in their right mind who willingly and anxiously drank the kool aide and embraced the hate doctrine. A person who listened to Limbaugh and Beck and went to the Tea Party rallies. I think the right knows that it could have been that way, so they are relieved it was not.
Reality is a harsh mistress, especially here at DU.

No, I wasn't scared that he listened to Rush, etc. I listen to the big 3, Beck, Rush, and Hannity while at work and post and read here. Nothing said by anyone on any of those places makes me want to pick up a gun and start shooting anyone. From time to time I feel I could smack one of you goons after what you post.

You would think if the right incited violence I would at least be tempted to do violence with all the exposure I get.
In fact it's just the opposite and the big 3 on a regular basis remind us that violence is not the answer.

Just because seeing fox news makes you want to put an axe through the TV does not mean that we get violent from watching it or listening to people from there.