Well now here we go again dummies digging to new depths of hypocrisy with this one.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x176149
Kalyke (1000+ posts) Tue Jan-11-11 04:49 PM
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Any time you hear the false equivalancy crap on your other boards, post this:
-- July 2008: A gunman named Jim David Adkisson, agitated at how "liberals" are "destroying America," walks into a Unitarian Church and opens fire, killing two churchgoers and wounding four others.
-- October 2008: Two neo-Nazis are arrested in Tennessee in a plot to murder dozens of African-Americans, culminating in the assassination of President Obama.
-- December 2008: A pair of "Patriot" movement radicals -- the father-son team of Bruce and Joshua Turnidge, who wanted "to attack the political infrastructure" -- threaten a bank in Woodburn, Oregon, with a bomb in the hopes of extorting money that would end their financial difficulties, for which they blamed the government. Instead, the bomb goes off and kills two police officers. The men eventually are convicted and sentenced to death for the crime.
-- December 2008: In Belfast, Maine, police discover the makings of a nuclear "dirty bomb" in the basement of a white supremacist shot dead by his wife. The man, who was independently wealthy, reportedly was agitated about the election of President Obama and was crafting a plan to set off the bomb.
-- January 2009: A white supremacist named Keith Luke embarks on a killing rampage in Brockton, Mass., raping and wounding a black woman and killing her sister, then killing a homeless man before being captured by police as he is en route to a Jewish community center.
-- February 2009: A Marine named Kody Brittingham is arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate President Obama. Brittingham also collected white-supremacist material.
-- April 2009: A white supremacist named Richard Poplawski opens fire on three Pittsburgh police officers who come to his house on a domestic-violence call and kills all three, because he believed President Obama intended to take away the guns of white citizens like himself. Poplawski is currently awaiting trial.
-- April 2009: Another gunman in Okaloosa County, Florida, similarly fearful of Obama's purported gun-grabbing plans, kills two deputies when they come to arrest him in a domestic-violence matter, then is killed himself in a shootout with police.
-- May 2009: A "sovereign citizen" named Scott Roeder walks into a church in Wichita, Kansas, and assassinates abortion provider Dr. George Tiller.
-- June 2009: A Holocaust denier and right-wing tax protester named James Von Brunn opens fire at the Holocaust Museum, killing a security guard.
-- February 2010: An angry tax protester named Joseph Ray Stack flies an airplane into the building housing IRS offices in Austin, Texas. (Media are reluctant to label this one "domestic terrorism" too.)
-- March 2010: Seven militiamen from the Hutaree Militia in Michigan and Ohio are arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate local police officers with the intent of sparking a new civil war.-- March 2010: An anti-government extremist named John Patrick Bedell walks into the Pentagon and opens fire, wounding two officers before he is himself shot dead.
-- May 2010: A "sovereign citizen" from Georgia is arrested in Tennessee and charged with plotting the violent takeover of a local county courthouse.
-- May 2010: A still-unidentified white man walks into a Jacksonville, Fla., mosque and sets it afire, simultaneously setting off a pipe bomb.
-- May 2010: Two "sovereign citizens" named Jerry and Joe Kane gun down two police officers who pull them over for a traffic violation, and then wound two more officers in a shootout in which both of them are eventually killed.
-- July 2010: An agitated right-winger and convict named Byron Williams loads up on weapons and drives to the Bay Area intent on attacking the offices of the Tides Foundation and the ACLU, but is intercepted by state patrolmen and engages them in a shootout and armed standoff in which two officers and Williams are wounded.
-- September 2010: A Concord, N.C., man is arrested and charged with plotting to blow up a North Carolina abortion clinic. The man, 26-year--old Justin Carl Moose, referred to himself as the "Christian counterpart to (Osama) bin Laden†in a taped undercover meeting with a federal informant.
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/terror-arizona-...
I don't think there is a left-wing list that compares to that
of course the obligatory high fives begin:
LemmingWarrior (44 posts) Tue Jan-11-11 04:56 PM
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5. Everyone should create an account
at one of those extreme right wing-nut forums and post this--worth the ban
Heads up Chris, incoming ??
verges (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-12-11 12:48 AM
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52. I asked about that today on Facebook...
This was my initial post:
Not all Republicans are crazy. And, not all crazy people are Republicans. However, looking back at politically motivated killings over the past few years, I can't think of a single one that was perpetrated by a left leaning person. The killing of Dr. Tiller. The attack on the Holocaust Museum. The killing of cops in Pittsburgh. The guy who opened fire on a church in Tennessee. These were all commited by unbalanced individuals who watched Fox News or listened to conservative AM radio personalities like Rush Limbaugh. Can anyone name a similar occurence by someone who watches Keith Olberman or Rachel Maddow or any other left leaning pundit?
I was not surprised by the events of last Saturday. The signs were there; and still are. So maybe this guy didn't have a political axe to grind. Maybe he is just unbalanced. But it did happen to a Democrat. And it will happen again if the RW refuses to own up and tone it down. It's ironic that these are also the people who scream about taking personal responsibility!
So, I'll repeat the question: Can anyone name a similar ocurence by someone who watches the left?
I very shortly recieved this reply from someone I do not know:
Tim, lining up the crazies with conservatives does not work.
The Arizona shooter likes the Communist Manifestos and has stated he rejects God. Sounds like an 'enlightened' member of the Left, or someone on Obama's cabinet who uses Mao as a m...entor.
Grampa Munster, Clarence Dupnik, Sheriff of Pima County Arizona, progressive/liberal/Humanist-indoctrinated polititicians and Lamestream Media are piling on Sarah Palin, the Tea Party, talk radio and law-abiding gun owners for 'creating a climate of violence.'
Especially troubling to the limp-wristed, simpering, PC, Religious Left crowd are the - gasp! - maps with targets on them, used by Sarah Palin's campaign team. Oh! Very violent! Oh! Very Dangerous!
But let's take a look at some hate speech, some violence-prone language and a 'map with targets on it'.
Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gunâ€
Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!â€...
...Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!â€
Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hardâ€
Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“
Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combatâ€
Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.â€
Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.â€
Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.â€
Biden telling a crowd, "If I hear one more Republican tell me about balancing the budget, I am going to strangle them."
Black Panther leader telling his neighbors through a bullhorn:
"You going to have to kill crackers! You going to have to kill they babies!"
Sarah Spitz, producer for NPR said if Rush Limbaugh were having a heart attack she would, “Laugh loudly like a maniac and watch his eyes bug out†as Limbaugh writhed in torment.
In boasting that she would gleefully watch a man die in front of her eyes, Spitz seemed to shock even herself. “I never knew I had this much hate in me,†she wrote. “But he deserves it.†http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidentia...
An exhaustive examination of 'hate' by Michelle Malkin -- many images and quotes
The progressive “climate of hate:†An illustrated primer, 2000-2010
http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-cl... /
{The following piece I wrote was published in The Columbian, Vancouver, Washington, July 16, 2010}
Journalism died with Obama election
Newsies huff and puff about racism. Very worried about traffic stops in Arizona, right?
But hardly any coverage from big print media or alphabet TV “news†shows regarding Department of Justice’s favorite, specially-protected specie, the New Black Panther Party’s Philadelphia leader Minister King Samir Shabazz, (also known as Maurice Heath), who swings billy clubs at voting places and who shouts through a bullhorn, “You going to have to kill the crackers! You going to have to kill they babies!†(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x0dM7fR1WQ& ). Everyone with a computer can watch this hater spread his murderous program.
The media and their buddies are very worried about “racism†that insists that “illegal†means just that, and that non-citizens should not be allowed to come across our borders. But here’s a guy advocating murder of a race of people … and “the news†is silent.
More evidence that journalism died when Barack Hussein Obama (whose administration is behind the DOJ dropping the Black Panther election intimidation criminal case) ran for the presidency.
Bob Larimer
Vancouver
So I replied:
Bob, you seem to have missed the point. I never said all crazies were Republican. In fact I specifically said in the opening just the opposite. There are crazies on ...both sides. And I don't have a problem with fighting metaphors.A representative of any sort that is wiling to fight for you is a good thing. A Champion. It's the kill metaphors I have aproblem with. Sharon Angles "Second Amendment solutions" are scary. And she's not saying that she's going to pack heat. She's exhorting other people to "take Harry Reid out." Sarah Palin urging her followers to "re-load" is far different from getting in peoples faces.
You also neglect to answer my primary question. Please name a case of a left-wing motivated murder in recent years.
The exchange went on, but this is all I kept. He proceded to give me a list of links. The only one I followed up on, was about the HuffPo writer who murdered her former lover. Which, of course, falls under the category of domestic violence; not political violence. There was also something about a finger getting bitten off at an anti-health care rally? Then he threatened me. Words to the effect of: I've been debunking liberal lies for over twenty years. Do you really want to cross swords with me, friend? Keep up with spreading your liberal perversions and i'll sic my 5000 conservative friends on you. The choice is yours. (That is an extreme paraphrase, but I think it catches the essence.)
I proceded to point out that his threat kinda proved my point. He then provide incontrovertible fact (to him) that the AZ shooter was a lefty. At this point I shook my head and erased the PMs. This Dialogue all took place via PM. He didn't have the guts to use the comments.
And what are we to think of this? Long term mole at work here? Do I hear the Domino's man coming up the walk ?
Dummies you can't handle reality.
MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-12-11 05:45 AM
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56. I had a similar problem on another site.
So I pm'ed but I then cut and pasted his messages and my replies verbatim. He was not amused and threatened to take his ball and go home.
What was interesting was that because I didn't use commentary, was that the board rallied around me. Use truth and shine a light on the cowards. They have only themselves to blame and just because they use pm doesn't mean they have an expectation of privacy on a place like facebook. Heck, the tos says it plain as day.
Good exchange, next time make it private.
Yeah. Take that you so an so you....I scored this post half a bong for the rallied comment.
alp227 (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-12-11 02:42 AM
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55. Great list! You'll have to bend over a whole lot just to find left-wing equivalency
Lemme try:
- College student protests? EHHHH! Usually the student protesters have been organizing non-violent events; there are non-fatal clashes with police though, and usually most of the damage is to property.
- The "Justice for Oscar Grant" protests in Oakland? Nope. Most of the people who did rioting were NOT residents of Oakland, and again property damage dominated the aftermath.
- The Weather Underground/'60s radicals? They split up after the Vietnam War, and the one fatal incident, the San Francisco Police Department Park Station bombing (1970), is still unsolved with little evidence blaming WU. While WU carried out bombings, again most of the incidents resulted in property not personal damage. Obama/Ayers anyone?
- Animal-rights activsts bombing scientists' homes: In 2010, a British court threw out the conviction of Mark Broughton, who served 10 years in prison for a conspiracy to arson Oxford University. In 2006, Donald Currie was arrested "after admitting conducting a campaign of terror against companies linked to Huntingdon Life Sciences." In August 2008, two UC Santa Cruz scientists' homes were firebombed. Four activists were prosecuted in federal court after a violent protest outside one UCSC professor's home.
Hummmmmmmm bend over? Now, now, lets not go there with any dummy male or female.
xochi (186 posts) Wed Jan-12-11 08:02 AM
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61. And I still think Paul Wellstone's death was suspicious...
Edited on Wed Jan-12-11 08:03 AM by xochi
despite the "official" reports.
Rec...
Young mole seeking creds or regular wacko noob recruit?
ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-12-11 08:33 AM
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66. Let's send this list to
broadcast news stations, cable news entities (I note that even Jo Scab changed his tune this am) and to local radio.
I plan to send it to local papers, too including one of which often prints my LTTE.
Yes, lets do. It will so make you look so intelligent. <rolls eyes>
SemperEadem (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-12-11 12:07 PM
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71. there ARE none on the liberal side and saying someone
who shot up a bunch of innocent people was a liberal when they clearly are not doesn't change the fact that THERE ARE NO EXAMPLES OF LIBERALS DOING ANYTHING REMOTELY LIKE WHAT CONSERVATIVES/RETHUGS/TEA-BOOGERS HAVE DONE.
They need to be met with a robust and hearty "LIAR" when they say this.
But there may be a few struggling braincells left in the hive.......
texshelters (813 posts) Wed Jan-12-11 02:51 PM
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80. I saw this on another site and it's what a shocking list.
And there is no comparable list of liberal violence. NPR is the worst. I keep hearing commentators on NPR state that the right and the left needs to step back from the violent rhetoric. Other than calling Tea Party pols (not members) complete hypocrites on the budget, I haven't been hearing that lefty violent rhetoric.
Thanks.
Peace,
Tex Shelters
or not.
