OET primitive wants others to take the opportunity

[Carl]

Mods?

I am in agreement.

[AllosaursRus]

Kudos for a rational, objective assessment.

In all fairness, though, to the extent I am "pointing fingers" in the essay above, I am not pointing exclusively at the right.  I freely admit that lots of people are complicit here, and I am inviting the right to condemn violent rhetoric from any source--right or left or middle.  The source does not matter to me.

-Laelth

What violent rhetoric from the right, asshole? Where's your list like the the many we have provided about  you insane, violent, lefties?

Put up or shut up!

Here's mine, where's yours???????

If you try one more time to say putting crosshairs on a map promotes violence, you should be thrown outa here faster than a tennis shoe smeared with dog shit! You're stinkin' up the place!

[Laelth]

Wow....  The "right" does not need to apologize for anything because they have not done anything to inspire the type of leftist violence that you quoted in your post.  Yet, you still believe they need to be the ones to get out in front of this by doing the "right thing".

Interesting.

I hope you don't use that same tactic in court, juris doctorate.  A half awake opponent would make you a laughing stock in very quick order.

I didn't ask the right to apologize.  I asked the right to condemn violent, hateful rhetoric (from whatever source-left, right, or middle).  That would be the right thing to do under these circumstances.

-Laelth

[dandi]

Here we have a perfect example of the result of being cloistered for so long in a shielded environment such as that at DU.

Laelth thinks that he/she can use the same illogical syllogisms and circular arguments used within the confines of the Hive to reinforce one another's beliefs at a site like CC where objectivity and evidence is demanded.

It's not working out too well for him/her, and is evidence of why they so rarely venture outside their echo chamber.

Next DUmmy, please.

[txradioguy]

I didn't ask the right to apologize.  I asked the right to condemn violent, hateful rhetoric (from whatever source-left, right, or middle).  That would be the right thing to do under these circumstances.

-Laelth

http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,53847.msg605346.html#new

[Laelth]

The politicals hacks of the left ARE using this tragedy for political posturing (to pass gun laws and hate speech laws as we are already seeing now: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47338.html), and riling people up with propaganda in the process. In short, the left, and especially the biased media, is fanning the flames of hatred, the very thing that conservatives were accused of.

That may be, and it's unfortunate.  As I have argued, anything politicans and pundits on the left say now will be dismissed as politcal posturing.  The left really doesn't have the opportunity, at this time, to call for reigning in the hateful, violent rhetoric that passes for political discourse in America these days.

As I have also said, I think it would be wise for leaders on the left to be silent on this issue, confining their comments to grief for the victims and their families.  As it so happens, leaders on the left listen to me about as often and about as well as do my fellow members of Conservtive Cave.  LOL.

-Laelth

[Karin]

The left really doesn't have the opportunity, at this time, to call for reigning in the hateful, violent rhetoric that passes for political discourse in America these days.

You keep saying this.  Why "don't they really have the opportunity?"  Are their fingers broken?  Have they become deaf/mutes?  Are they in FEMA concentration camps?  Are there no TV shows that they are welcome?  Blogs? 

[Carl]

That may be, and it's unfortunate.  As I have argued, anything politicans and pundits on the left say now will be dismissed as politcal posturing.  The left really doesn't have the opportunity, at this time, to call for reigning in the hateful, violent rhetoric that passes for political discourse in America these days.

As I have also said, I think it would be wise for leaders on the left to be silent on this issue, confining their comments to grief for the victims and their families.  As it so happens, leaders on the left listen to me about as often and about as well as do my fellow members of Conservtive Cave.  LOL.

-Laelth

You are setting up an answer to the when did you stop beating your wife question and no one is taking the bait.
If someone on the left wanted to they could and site examples from that side...in fact wouldn`t it be great if Obama did just that and made mention of his own antagonistic words.
We have them posted here if he needs someone to load them into the teleprompter for him.

[txradioguy]

That may be, and it's unfortunate.  As I have argued, anything politicans and pundits on the left say now will be dismissed as politcal posturing.  The left really doesn't have the opportunity, at this time, to call for reigning in the hateful, violent rhetoric that passes for political discourse in America these days.

As I have also said, I think it would be wise for leaders on the left to be silent on this issue, confining their comments to grief for the victims and their families.  As it so happens, leaders on the left listen to me about as often and about as well as do my fellow members of Conservtive Cave.  LOL.

-Laelth

http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,53847.msg605346.html#new

[Godot showed up]

That may be, and it's unfortunate.  As I have argued, anything politicans and pundits on the left say now will be dismissed as politcal posturing.  The left really doesn't have the opportunity, at this time, to call for reigning in the hateful, violent rhetoric that passes for political discourse in America these days.

As I have also said, I think it would be wise for leaders on the left to be silent on this issue, confining their comments to grief for the victims and their families.  As it so happens, leaders on the left listen to me about as often and about as well as do my fellow members of Conservtive Cave.  LOL.

-Laelth

And anything the right says will be interpreted as an admission of culpability, as you well know--and want. So, I say it would be "wise" for leaders/speakers/celebrities on the right to "remain silent." But the left? I see their silence as cowardly.


Why do you so casually assume that anything the left says will be dismissed as "political posturing"? Certainly not by the slavish MSM. If Obama or Keith Olbermann came out today and said, with sincerity, "I apologize for many intemperate and violent metaphors I've used in my speaking," why would these simply be "dismissed"? As posturing for what?

Well, I'll answer that question, as it's partly rhetorical--you don't assume that at all. You're asserting that as an easy (but not even remotley substantiated)  out for the left in your "argument."

You can also respond, if you want to.

[AllosaursRus]

That may be, and it's unfortunate.  As I have argued, anything politicans and pundits on the left say now will be dismissed as politcal posturing.  The left really doesn't have the opportunity, at this time, to call for reigning in the hateful, violent rhetoric that passes for political discourse in America these days.

As I have also said, I think it would be wise for leaders on the left to be silent on this issue, confining their comments to grief for the victims and their families.  As it so happens, leaders on the left listen to me about as often and about as well as do my fellow members of Conservtive Cave.  LOL.

-Laelth

Hmmmmmmmmm.....could that be because you're so full of shit?????

[Laelth]

There seems to be a strong correlation here, Laelth.  I'm sure we can count on your best efforts and strongest condemnation of these leftists who have incited violence.

Any second now.....

I hereby strongly condemn any and all leftists who have employed rhetoric that might lead to acts of violence.

Is that really what you wanted?  Seriously, take a look at what I have written.  I do have readers who think that violent revolution is the best solution to our national problems.  Time and again I have stated my firm belief that revolutions are bloody, nasty, unpredictable affairs, and that I have no desire to see another revolution in the United States--for the sake of my children, my friends, and my country.  Violence is not a good solution, nor is it healthy for our political discourse to be so charged with violent rhetori, and I condemn that rhetoric, regardless of its source.

-Laelth

[TheSarge]

I didn't ask the right to apologize.  I asked the right to condemn violent, hateful rhetoric (from whatever source-left, right, or middle).  That would be the right thing to do under these circumstances.

-Laelth

TRG has continuously given you a link to a thread he started in the FightClub and you ignore it.

I suggest you go down there and respond before this goes any farther.  Or I'll be forced to move this whole thread down there.

Either you are showing cowardice by refusing to engage and answer the questions he has posed in that thread, or he has nailed you correctly and you're too enamored with the limelight of showing off to lurking members of OET to debate this away from their glowing admiration.

Choice is yours.

[thundley4]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x172044

It seems Laelth wanted to draw a bigger crowd.

[txradioguy]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x172044

It seems Laelth wanted to draw a bigger crowd.

And in typical Libtard fashion he plays to the lowest common denominator over there and puts in bold the word right.

Talk about stirring up hate.  And using inflammatory speech.

[Rebel]

Hello Carl,

I think the left needs to be silent on this issue and confine its comments to grief over the dead and wounded.    As I said in the essay, the left can't effectively address this problem in this environment.  Anything the left says will be condemned as political posturing.  Only politicians and pundits on the right have the opportunity to do the right thing here.

Thanks for the response.

-Laelth

Sure it can. The shooter was a f'n moonbat, just like all you morons at DU.

[Attero Dominatus]

Laelth (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Tue Jan-11-11 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #6
10. This essay makes it hard for them to play their favorite card--the victim card.
   
It's outrageous that there are six dead people and thirteen wounded, yet somehow the right acts like Sarah Palin is the victim here. Perhaps they can be shamed into doing the right thing.

-Laelth
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Sarah Palin is the most popular scapegoat of the left right now. There is nothing 'victim card' about that.

[Ballygrl]

From what I've seen, and please point me to your evidence if you have any, the Judge was not the target of the assassination attempt.  I could be wrong about that, of course, but it appears Giffords was the intended target.

-Laelth

And that has to do with Sarah Palin how?

And that has to do with the right how?

OK, I need to get this straight, some kook commits a horrendous crime, your side automatically jumps to conclusions about what drove this kook over the edge instead of saying the guy is just a kook and mentally unhinged, your elected officials with the D's after their name start point the finger at the R's, and you want us to condemn what you perceive as violent rhetoric from our side WHEN the past and present have proven the left is hundreds of times more violent when it comes to political discourse, and all of a sudden it's become violent rhetoric when your side loses an argument and elections but it's free speech when you guys win elections?

I think a freaking apology is in order from the left in the way they've treated this whole crime for their own nefarious purposes.

[dandi]

I hereby strongly condemn any and all leftists who have employed rhetoric that might lead to acts of violence.

Bravo!  Now, turn your ass around, go back to the leftist filth at the DUmp and OET, and clean up your own house before you say anything else.  Encourage your leftist brethren to do the same, not stay silent.  They are the ones you should be exhorting to calm down before you recommend anyone else does.

As has been pointed out to you over and over and over....

Seriously, take a look at what I have written.

We all have, dear.

Left, stay silent!  Right, condemn!

The sniveling crap about "both sides do it" notwithstanding.

I do have readers who think that violent revolution is the best solution to our national problems.

Then maybe you should find a better class of people to hang out with.  Leftists (especially the DUmp) are full of that kind of crap.  

Evolve, lawyer.

Time and again I have stated my firm belief that revolutions are bloody, nasty, unpredictable affairs, and that I have no desire to see another revolution in the United States

When, pray tell, did you witness the last one?  Were the rest of us asleep or are you almost 250 years old?

And please tell me that someone who has attended law school knows the damn difference between revolution and war for independence...

for the sake of my children, my friends, and my country.

Don't you mean what you want to remake the country?

Violence is not a good solution, nor is it healthy for our political discourse to be so charged with violent rhetori, and I condemn that rhetoric, regardless of its source.

Good, now go clean up your damn house before you demand anymore unwarranted admission of culpability from those who have none.

[Ballygrl]

"In all fairness to people on all sides of this issue, let me remark that it is entirely reasonable to assume a political motivation when a politician is killed.  It is also entirely reasonable to assume that the killer comes from the opposite end of the political spectrum.  Those are natural assumptions.

Really? why?

•It was not the fear of conservative violence that caused Ann Coulter's speech to be cancelled this week.
 
•It was a liberal who bit the finger off a man who disagreed with him on healthcare.
 
•It was Obama-loving Amy Bishop who took a gun to work and murdered co-workers.
 
•Joseph Stack flew his plane into the IRS building after writing an anti-conservative manifesto.
 
•It was liberals who destroyed AM radio towers outside of Seattle.
 
•It's liberals who burn down Hummer dealerships.
 
•It was progressive SEIU union thugs who beat a blaack conservative man who spoke his mind.
 
•It's doubtful that a conservative fired shotss into a GOP campaign headquarters.
 
•In fact, Democrats have no monopoly on having their offices vandalized.
 
•Don't forget it was Obama's friend Bill Ayers who used terrorism as a tool for political change. SDS is still radical, with arrests in 2007 and the storming of the CATO Institute in July 2008.
 
•It was a liberal who was sentenced to two years for bringing bombs and riot shields to the Republican National Convention in 2008.
 
•It was a liberal who threatened to kill a government informant who infiltrated her Austin-based group that planned to bomb the RNC.
 
•It was liberals who assaulted police in Berkeley.
 
•It was liberals who intimidated and threw rocks through the windows of researchers.
 
•The two Black Panthers who stood outside polls intimidating people with nightsticks were probably not right-wingers.
 
•Every time the G20 gets together, it's not conservatives who destroy property and cause chaos.

[Ballygrl]

I have never said this problem was confined to the right.  Try all you want, you won't find that argument from me.

What I have said is that politicians and pundits on the right have a golden opportunity to do something about it.  We'll see how they respond.

-Laelth

So are we to assume you called on your fellow political allies at DU and OET via a posted message to call the DNC and tell them to tone down the violent rhetoric?

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

I have never said this problem was confined to the right.  Try all you want, you won't find that argument from me.

What I have said is that politicians and pundits on the right have a golden opportunity to do something about it.  We'll see how they respond.

-Laelth

Aren't attorneys supposed to deal in facts?

Loughner was a 9/11 troofer, anti-war, reader of marx.

Try offering evidence for once.

[dandi]

Laelth (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Tue Jan-11-11 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #6
10. This essay makes it hard for them to play their favorite card--the victim card.
  
It's outrageous that there are six dead people and thirteen wounded, yet somehow the right acts like Sarah Palin is the victim here. Perhaps they can be shamed into doing the right thing.

-Laelth

Your "essay" is garbage and you have had your ass nailed on it right here.

BTW, isn't it nice that you are able to present a differing point of view without being banned?

[dandi]

Really? why?

Because the OET pseudo intellectual sage said so.  Now, I know I've seen this happen on here before, but I can't seem to remember who did it....

 

[Carl]

Your "essay" is garbage and you have had your ass nailed on it right here.

BTW, isn't it nice that you are able to present a differing point of view without being banned?

Plus post openly about it on other sites although I am not sure Laelth should be all that proud of their performance here.

I suppose proving an accusation by repeating the accusation is what passes for debate and discussion at OET and the DUmp so fitting.