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Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2011, 10:56:50 PM »
Same here. I would like to dance on his grave.  :argh:

You sure?  We'll be doing the bunny hop... :cheers1:
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Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2011, 11:51:34 PM »
A BLUE DOG democrat.  The guy that shot her was pissed because she wasn't far enough left.  Are you retarded?  The shooter's favorite books were The Communist Manifesto and Mein Kempf. 

Please shut the **** up.

From what has been unearthed of this guys views so far, he seems to lean libertarian.  Some of the other books on his favorite list are ideological opposites of the manifesto or kampf  so leaping to the conclusion he's left wing or liberal based on it is just wrong (and BTW, Hitler was a rightie, not a leftie).

Either way, I was speaking of the party affiliation of Giffords, and Phelps.

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Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2011, 01:10:10 AM »
From what has been unearthed of this guys views so far, he seems to lean libertarian.

Fred Phelps and his meerry band of idiots are too crazy for even the Libertarians.

He's been a big contributor to and supporter of Al Gore. 


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Some of the other books on his favorite list are ideological opposites of the manifesto or kampf  so leaping to the conclusion he's left wing or liberal based on it is just wrong (and BTW, Hitler was a rightie, not a leftie).

Hitler was a righty?  Yeah sure Wilbur.  What part of National SOCIALIST party made you believe that Hitler was aligned with the right?

This used to be a popular meme with you Libtards.  Until someone on the left realized what NAZI actually stands for.  Looks like you're about the last one that didn't get the memo to stop trotting out this disproven bullshit.


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Either way, I was speaking of the party affiliation of Giffords, and Phelps.

Either way BOTH are Democrats.
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Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2011, 08:06:22 AM »
From what has been unearthed of this guys views so far, he seems to lean libertarian.  Some of the other books on his favorite list are ideological opposites of the manifesto or kampf  so leaping to the conclusion he's left wing or liberal based on it is just wrong (and BTW, Hitler was a rightie, not a leftie).

Either way, I was speaking of the party affiliation of Giffords, and Phelps.

I see you and the concept of facts and logic haven't been introduced to you yet.

NAZI-National SOCIALIST Worker's Party.

The only significant difference between Germany and the Soviets was National versus International Socialism.  Uncle Joe tried to drive the ideological wedge between the two in the 30's and 40's, and given that little problem called the Eastern Front in WWII, gained a (false) sense of credibility over the claim.  But frankly, they ran in the same circles, parroted the same slogans, and had many of the same goals.

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Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2011, 08:39:46 AM »
Fred Phelps and his meerry band of idiots are too crazy for even the Libertarians.

He's been a big contributor to and supporter of Al Gore.  

I said the shooter seems to lean libertarian...  and its odd how the article takes pains to emphasize Phelps' party affiliation, since first and foremost, his defining craziness comes from his religious extremism.

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Hitler was a righty?  Yeah sure Wilbur.  What part of National SOCIALIST party made you believe that Hitler was aligned with the right?

This used to be a popular meme with you Libtards.  Until someone on the left realized what NAZI actually stands for.  Looks like you're about the last one that didn't get the memo to stop trotting out this disproven bullshit.

Yep, this is the popular meme these days, that "socialist" was in the name so they couldn't have been right wing..  sorry, it's simply not true.  The particular name of a party does not necessarily reflect on the nature of its policies.
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Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2011, 08:49:48 AM »
I said the shooter seems to lean libertarian...  and its odd how the article takes pains to emphasize Phelps' party affiliation, since first and foremost, his defining craziness comes from his religious extremism.

I'd say, yep, you're being obtuse and ignorant.

First of all, Phelps is a disbarred lawyer and is about as "religious" as you are. His "church" is nothing but a Hate group. And yes, wilbur, I hate to break it to you, but Phelps is one of you guys - a hardcore lib.

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Yep, this is the popular meme these days, that "socialist" was in the name so they couldn't have been right wing..  sorry, it's simply not true.  The particular name of a party does not necessarily reflect on the nature of its policies.

Have you read Goldberg's book yet? If not, I strongly suggest you drop your liberal meme about the term "socialist". You clearly don't know what you're talking about.  :whatever:
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Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2011, 08:55:16 AM »
I said the shooter seems to lean libertarian...  and its odd how the article takes pains to emphasize Phelps' party affiliation, since first and foremost, his defining craziness comes from his religious extremism.

Yep, this is the popular meme these days, that "socialist" was in the name so they couldn't have been right wing..  sorry, it's simply not true.  The particular name of a party does not necessarily reflect on the nature of its policies.

Because so many mouth-breathers like you want to paint Phelps as a right-winger.

You know, like Kevin Smith.  He even made a movie about it.
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Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2011, 09:00:26 AM »
The particular name of a party does not necessarily reflect on the nature of its policies.

I will give you credit for that statement.  Let's face it, there's nothing democratic about Democrats.
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Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2011, 09:12:34 AM »
I said the shooter seems to lean libertarian...  and its odd how the article takes pains to emphasize Phelps' party affiliation, since first and foremost, his defining craziness comes from his religious extremism.
Libertarians do not idolize National Socialism or Communism. The shooter was a nutcase, and so is Phelps.

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Yep, this is the popular meme these days, that "socialist" was in the name so they couldn't have been right wing..  sorry, it's simply not true.  The particular name of a party does not necessarily reflect on the nature of its policies.
Both Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini used the state to control private business rather than having the state own the business.

Lets not forget that racism (the nazis' and fascists' state policies) is a crude form of collectivism. Libertarians and conservatives are AGAINST collectivism, no matter what form. while progressive movements are FOR collectivism in various forms. But that is beside the topic at hand.
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Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
« Reply #34 on: January 10, 2011, 09:55:45 AM »
From what has been unearthed of this guys views so far, he seems to lean libertarian.  Some of the other books on his favorite list are ideological opposites of the manifesto or kampf  so leaping to the conclusion he's left wing or liberal based on it is just wrong (and BTW, Hitler was a rightie, not a leftie).

Either way, I was speaking of the party affiliation of Giffords, and Phelps.

My husband is some what libertarian and DOES NOT own the Communist Manifesto or Mein Kampf. 

Phelps is just a psychotic piece of shit.
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Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
« Reply #35 on: January 10, 2011, 10:14:34 AM »
The Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf are the antithesis to libertarianism. The previous two are about state control. Libertarianism is about self-governance.
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Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
« Reply #36 on: January 10, 2011, 10:20:59 AM »
From what has been unearthed of this guys views so far, he seems to lean libertarian.  Some of the other books on his favorite list are ideological opposites of the manifesto or kampf  so leaping to the conclusion he's left wing or liberal based on it is just wrong (and BTW, Hitler was a rightie, not a leftie).

Either way, I was speaking of the party affiliation of Giffords, and Phelps.

It's NORMAL to have, say, The Wizard of Oz among your favorites. It is weird and abnormal to have Mein Kampf among your favorites, and pretty eyebrow-raising to have The Communist Manifesto in there too. A lot of people have been talking about his favorite books as though the "normal" ones "balance out" the pretty sick and disturbing ones, and that's a fallacy.

And BY THE WAY, Hitler was NOT a "rightie." Hitler was most definitely a man of the political left. Anyone who espouses government control of all means of production is unquestionably on the left.

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Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
« Reply #37 on: January 10, 2011, 11:42:10 AM »
The Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf are the antithesis to libertarianism. The previous two are about state control. Libertarianism is about self-governance.

Indeed. 
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Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
« Reply #38 on: January 10, 2011, 11:48:52 AM »
(and BTW, Hitler was a rightie, not a leftie)

Dropped on your head as a small child, got it.  Thanks for such a quick answer to my query.

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Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
« Reply #39 on: January 10, 2011, 11:50:38 AM »
Indeed. 
And there is nothing wrong with reading Mein Kampf, The Communist Manifesto, or the Koran.  Know thine enemies as you would know thyself. 

Hitler wrote Mein Kampf while he was incarcerated in Landsberg prison after the failed Beer Hall Putsch.

Another certified whack job named Rudolph Hess served as his personal secretary and wrote the book while Hitler dictated.

Yeah, the damned thing reads like a friggin' manifesto penned by inmates at an insane asylum.
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Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
« Reply #40 on: January 10, 2011, 11:55:02 AM »
Hitler wrote Mein Kampf while he was incarcerated in Landsberg prison after the failed Beer Hall Putsch.

Another certified whack job named Rudolph Hess served as his personal secretary and wrote the book while Hitler dictated.

Yeah, the damned thing reads like a friggin' manifesto penned by inmates at an insane asylum.

Someone here, I can't remember who, had it right.  It is just one big ole honkin run-on sentence.
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Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
« Reply #41 on: January 10, 2011, 12:04:54 PM »
To even seriously contemplate doing something this infamous, Fred "Attention-whore" Phelps should burn in Hell forever.

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Tank, when I first read this, I actually felt a quick wave of nausea. Truly, Phelps and his followers are really asking for it. It's only a matter of time before some family having a funeral and being harrassed by this creature and his disciples decides to take the law into their own hands, and I won't blame them one iota.

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Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
« Reply #42 on: January 10, 2011, 12:23:00 PM »
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Hitler was named "Man of the Year" in 1938 by Time Magazine. They noted Hitler's anti-capitalistic economic policies:

"Most cruel joke of all, however, has been played by Hitler & Co. on those German capitalists and small businessmen who once backed National Socialism as a means of saving Germany's bourgeois economic structure from radicalism. The Nazi credo that the individual belongs to the state also applies to business. Some businesses have been confiscated outright, on other what amounts to a capital tax has been levied. Profits have been strictly controlled. Some idea of the increasing Governmental control and interference in business could be deduced from the fact that 80% of all building and 50% of all industrial orders in Germany originated last year with the Government. Hard-pressed for food- stuffs as well as funds, the Nazi regime has taken over large estates and in many instances collectivized agriculture, a procedure fundamentally similar to Russian Communism." (Source: Time Magazine; Jaunuary 2, 1939.)


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Hitler was an anti-Marxist, but he WAS a socialist and "socialist" is not some deceptive conservative/Republican "meme" when considered in its prideful place in the name, "National Socialist German Workers' Party." The Marxists were his political enemies; another gang vying for control, and one with ties to an external enemy, the Bolsheviks in Russia. But philosophically his economic policies were wholly of the left, socialist, and quite communist in their insistence on one-party rule.


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Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
« Reply #43 on: January 10, 2011, 12:48:34 PM »
Wow. Will this piece of garbage stop at nothing? That is a shame.
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« Reply #44 on: January 10, 2011, 01:47:25 PM »
Rubliw, you are too stupid to live, please stop breathing.
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« Reply #45 on: January 10, 2011, 02:28:33 PM »
Hitler was the head of a political party. In English, it was called the National Socialist German Workers Party, or "Nazi Party" for short. It was not called socialist for nothing. To imagine that this system was anything other than socialism is to parrot the Party Line of the Left ever since 1923. "No, no, no: the Nazis were not really socialists." Well, if they weren't, their policies surely resembled socialism. They believed in centralized control over the economy, and when they got into power in 1933, they established that control. This control grew even tighter after 1939, because of World War II.



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The secret of the Nazi economy was spending on war. In a study of Nazi fiscal and monetary policy, economist Albrecht Ritschl concluded in 2000,


A critical reassessment of deficit spending during the Nazi recovery reveals a surprisingly small role for macroeconomic policy. Both the descriptive evidence and the results from multivariate time series forecasts suggest that recovery from the Great Depression was mainly driven by a rebound effect that was visible in the data already by late 1932. Up to around 1936, the German recovery was no more advanced than that of Britain or the United States, where far less expansionary fiscal policies were followed. However, even in Germany the fiscal impulse generated by the budget deficit was too small to be consistent with Keynesian demand stimulation under an income/expenditure mechanism. In order to explain the very high, at times two-digit growth rates of GNP during the recovery, deficits would have had to be two to five times higher than they actually were. Apparently, recovery was due to forces other than fiscal and monetary policy, just as in the cases of Britain and the United States. . . .

Nazi recovery appears less spectacular than was hitherto believed. Our results also indicate that government spending was dominated by war preparation already in a very early phase of the Nazi recovery. I find little justification for the popular interpretation that recovery was sparked off by non-military work-creation and the construction of the autobahn network. Investment in the autobahn reached sizable magnitudes only in 1936. All these projects pale in comparison with the rapid build-up of military expenditure, except for the year of 1933 when rearmament had not yet really begun. To secure the desired high speed of war preparation, the Nazi administration took early, often draconian steps to crowd out private demand. The growth in consumer spending fell short of the increase in national product, and the contribution of private investment to the recovery remained unimpressive.

Strict control of private expenditure was partly achieved by maintaining taxation at the high levels reached during the depression years. [Deficit Spending in the Nazi Recovery, 1933-1938: A Critical Reassessment, Institute for Empirical Research in Economics, University of Zurich, pp. 16-17.

In short, the government created jobs in factories preparing for war. Then it taxed workers so that they could not spend their income on consumer goods.

Hitler was no advocate of economic growth. He was an advocate of military expansion. Professor Tooze summarizes.


This backdrop is essential if we are to understand Hitler's refusal to accept the liberal gospel of economic progress. Economic growth could not be taken for granted and Hitler was by no means the only person to say so. As we have seen, the doctrine of economic life as a field of struggle was already fully formed in Mein Kampf and Hitler's 'Second book'. And this Darwinian outlook was only encouraged by the subsequent Depression. Given the density of Germany's population and Hitler's insistence on the inevitability of conflict arising for export-led growth, the conquest of new Lebensraum was certainly one means of raising Germany's per capita income level. Hitler could hardly have been more emphatic or consistent in his advocacy of this position. As we have seen, he made a point of reiterating this belief in the very first days of his new government in 1933. An aggressive foreign policy based on military strength was the only real foundation of economic prosperity (Wages of Destruction, pp. 145-46).

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Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
« Reply #46 on: January 10, 2011, 02:47:40 PM »
These people are vile awful creatures. Pyle's of  :censored:.


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Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
« Reply #47 on: January 10, 2011, 08:09:36 PM »
From what has been unearthed of this guys views so far, he seems to lean libertarian.  Some of the other books on his favorite list are ideological opposites of the manifesto or kampf  so leaping to the conclusion he's left wing or liberal based on it is just wrong (and BTW, Hitler was a rightie, not a leftie).
AND,...by the way?! EPIC FAIL!
His ideological views were those of the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kempf. Don't be twisting the facts like the DUmmies and libs just love to do. They use their double speak and twist their words.