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The DUmp trying to write the script
« on: January 08, 2011, 04:50:01 PM »
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nolabear  (1000+ posts)          Sat Jan-08-11 05:24 PM
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It appears from all evidence the the shooter was mentally ill. BUT
      

being mentally ill doesn't create the ideation around which the illness constellates. From what I've seen of his posts (assuming that they're accurate) he has loose associations and is fixated on ideas that are a combination of reality and paranoid fantasy. That fantasy has, however, been fed by the politics of the day, possession of the weapon made possible by lack of gun control, and from the "goodbye" post on MySpace, the desire to die and be a martyr.

Was his illness not given these things to feed upon, he might have done something destructive, but it would have been different and a nine year old girl and a jusge and who knows who else would be alive today.

So yeah, there's cause and effect.
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uppityperson  (1000+ posts)          Sat Jan-08-11 05:27 PM
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2. Exactly. He may be mentally ill, but not having this hate shit to feed on?
   maybe he wouldn't have done this

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DBoon  (1000+ posts)          Sat Jan-08-11 05:29 PM
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3. the mentally ill are not entirely apart from society
   ideas expressed in the media and the values of society affect how mental illness is expressed.

In the middle ages, the mentally ill may have thought they were possessed by a devil.

When political violence is part of public rhetoric, the mentally ill may perform acts of political violence.

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Warpy  (1000+ posts)          Sat Jan-08-11 05:30 PM
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4. I found this You Tube site
   http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10

He's bonkers. I see paranoia, flight of ideas, a certain amount of word salad.

However, it will be interesting if anyone admits to what his reading material and listening material has been.

So far kind of lefty if reporting is correct.

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Joe the Revelator  (1000+ posts)        Sat Jan-08-11 05:30 PM
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Here comes the spin..."Friend" on twitter who hasn't talked to shooter since 2007 calls him liberal
      

catieparker:As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.


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XanaDUer  (1000+ posts)          Sat Jan-08-11 05:33 PM
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3. He was obsessed with the gold standard
   We the Living, etc.

Also, Communist Manifesto.

However, he sounds like a hard-core RWer so far, but the spinning on this should be interesting.

I am trying to find evidence that he wanted the HCR repealed, but I have found nothing yet.

It writes itself.

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upi402  (1000+ posts)          Sat Jan-08-11 05:02 PM
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Rush, Beck, Coulter, and Palin all culpable for inciting assasination
      

Edited on Sat Jan-08-11 05:17 PM by upi402
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_congresswoman_shot
"TUCSON, Ariz. – Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot in the head Saturday when an assailant opened fire outside a grocery store during a meeting with constituents, killing a 9-year-old boy and a federal judge and wounding several others in a rampage that rattled the nation.

Giffords was among at least 10 people wounded, and the hospital said her outlook was "optimistic" and that she was responding to commands from doctors. The hospital said a 9-year-old child was among the killed, and a U.S. Marshal said a federal judge was also fatally shot in the attack."

Judge and 9 year old boy murdered. This woman was guilty of being a Democrat in a corporatist state, but she still deserves the protection of the rule of law in a civil society.

***** Where the hell is the Department of Justice? Can our government be more lax in upholding its duties? ***** Congress will now investigate the underwear drawer of Obama though.

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CountAllVotes  (1000+ posts)        Sat Jan-08-11 05:05 PM
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1. they are all guilry
   and all of them should get life in prison for inciting violence at being accessories to these horrific murders.

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Stagecoach (459 posts)       Sat Jan-08-11 05:06 PM
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2. They'll distance themselves
   They'll distance themselves from the shooter, knowing full well they're the ones who incited this guy. I'm not saying the shooter is innocent, but he had plenty of thoughts put in his head. They'll be doing anything to keep this guy's mouth shut.

Whoops some info becoming known so the DUmp has to pivot...

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Mike 03  (1000+ posts)        Sat Jan-08-11 04:34 PM
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It's not just Beck, Palin, Hannity and Coulter; it's become more insidious.
      

Edited on Sat Jan-08-11 04:39 PM by Mike 03
Alex Jones and George Noory are just as much to blame for the ideology expressed in this murderer's You Tube movies. Jones and Noory masquerade as politically neutral and favor guests who pontificate about the same preoccupations that obsessed this gunman:

One world order
One global currency
The Constitution has become irrelevant to our leaders
Hoard gold and silver
Hoard food
Climate change is a hoax
Don't get vaccines or innoculations...
H1N1 was a conspiracy invented in a lab, just like AIDS
The Rockefellers, the Bilderbergers (sp?), George Soros, and that hideout in Northern California where children are sacrificed before totem poles.

And on and on. You all know this story--it is a well known philosophy.

It is completely irrational, but for unhinged people, these obsessions take root and grow and grow into the ugliest acts of violence imaginable.

We need to call these people out, especially the ones who appear to have no political agenda, like Alex Jones and George Noory. They pose as benevolent father and grandfather figures.

I think they are far more dangerous than the other obvious examples who wear their bias openly on their sleeves, because they claim legitimacy when they make their outrageous claims and interview maniacs like Steven Quayle who echo the craziest thoughts. The other night Quayle said that "The Great Flood" happened because humans copulated with animals and were being punished by God. And that is just the tip of the iceberg of some of the nutty things that are believed by gullible Americans.

Don't get me wrong: I loathe Sarah Palin and her ilk, but I think people who derive their beliefs from them know what the score is. They know they have allied themselves with strict partisans who are ridiculed by most thinkers.

It's ****ing terrifying.

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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts)          Sat Jan-08-11 04:37 PM
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1. Wait a minute
   Not too fast. A person can have any ideology and be crazy and whacked out enough to do this. This is more mental illness than politics - the videos seem to show this pretty clearly. Also, he's supposedly an Afghan vet? If you want to lay blame - lay it with how the military can %$#$ people up.

At this stage, it's just too early to start screaming about ideology. He was unhinged.

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nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)          Sat Jan-08-11 04:48 PM
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4. These are the trends I have pointed to Mike   
   we just had this ratchet up.

To digress for a moment.
Just shut up you moronic imbecile,you are someone idiots make fun of.

Okay nuff of that.

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Darth_Kitten  (1000+ posts)        Sat Jan-08-11 05:16 PM
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Can only wonder how the Coward Limbaugh will spin this.

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GreenTea (1000+ posts)          Sat Jan-08-11 05:21 PM
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3. Right now-the pigman is laughing & patting each other, lovers of republican hate radio on the back
   Edited on Sat Jan-08-11 05:44 PM by GreenTea
Limbaugh, Beck, Fox "news" & the rest of these republican goons are getting their sheep & losers & crazies & uninformed fired up with their lies & hate, encouraging these zombie thugs to do their dirty work & agenda for them and these hateful sick republicans love it!!

(And more of this kind of shit WILL unfortunately occur, a stop needs to be put these republican corporate fascist hate mongers, they should be put out of a job & business and jailed for their crimes).

That is about all I can stomach for the time being.
Hard to call these people humans of any type.
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Re: The DUmp trying to write the script
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2011, 04:57:56 PM »
The DUmmies attribute his lunacy to the internet and conservative bloggers.

I guess that's the excuse for John Wilkes Boothe and John Hinckley.

Oh wait! The internet & blogs didn't exist then.
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Re: The DUmp trying to write the script
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2011, 05:00:15 PM »
A Tea Party member would never list the Communist Manifesto as their favorite book.  Please stop trying to find evidence that this guy was a "teabagger".  It just makes you look stupid. 
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Re: The DUmp trying to write the script
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2011, 05:01:14 PM »
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Quote from: Evil_Conservative on January 08, 2011, 05:00:15 PM
A Tea Party member would never list the Communist Manifesto as their favorite book.  Please stop trying to find evidence that this guy was a "teabagger".  It just makes you look stupid.  

la la la they're not listeniiiiiiiiiing... la la la la la..  :lalala:
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Re: The DUmp trying to write the script
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2011, 05:15:10 PM »
Quote from: ColonialMarine0431 on January 08, 2011, 04:57:56 PM
The DUmmies attribute his lunacy to the internet and conservative bloggers.

I guess that's the excuse for John Wilkes Boothe and John Hinckley.

Oh wait! The internet & blogs didn't exist then.
I don't know about this nutcase today, but Boothe and Hinckley were Bush's fault.
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Re: The DUmp trying to write the script
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2011, 05:23:05 PM »
Quote from: GOBUCKS on January 08, 2011, 05:15:10 PM
I don't know about this nutcase today, but Boothe and Hinckley were Bush's fault.

Now don't be crazy, it can't possibly be Bush's fault since he is too stupid to tie his own shoes.
It was KKKarl Rove's fault.  :tongue:
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Re: The DUmp trying to write the script
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2011, 05:24:47 PM »
Quote from: GOBUCKS on January 08, 2011, 05:15:10 PM
I don't know about this nutcase today, but Boothe and Hinckley were Bush's fault.

He used his Black Ops Temporal Vortex machine to travel back in time.
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Re: The DUmp trying to write the script
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2011, 05:37:30 PM »
Considering NONE of the RW talkshows were on the air today, just how in the hell can they be held responsible?

Reason to DUmmies is like garlic to vampires.   :hammer:

The stupid is too strong at the DUmp today.  My computer is acting like the HAL 9000 in "2001":

"My mind is going, Dave.  I can feel it."
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Re: The DUmp trying to write the script
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2011, 05:46:06 PM »
It's starting to emerge that the shooter was a left wing nut (sound familiar DUmmies?) who was pushed over the edge by all the violently hate-filled rhetoric spewing from extreme liberals and DUmpmonkeys against blue dog democrats. The radial democrat left especially hated this particular blue dog, because she dared to vote against Bela Pelosi last week. Since this guy was a socialist, the whole emphasis in the media will be that he was a nut. There will likely not be a word about the left's hatred for blue dog democrats.
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Re: The DUmp trying to write the script
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2011, 05:50:19 PM »
Bat.  Shit.  ****ing.  NUTS.

All DUmmies are.  They can't help it.
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Re: The DUmp trying to write the script
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2011, 05:58:04 PM »
They're nothing if not predictable.  :whatever:
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Re: The DUmp trying to write the script
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2011, 06:13:00 PM »
He was a frickin' Atheist from what was coming out this afternoon, and apparently DoD hasn't yet dug up any record of him serving in Afghanistan so that looks like it is probably complete horseshit.
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Re: The DUmp trying to write the script
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2011, 06:20:35 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on January 08, 2011, 06:13:00 PM
He was a frickin' Atheist from what was coming out this afternoon, and apparently DoD hasn't yet dug up any record of him serving in Afghanistan so that looks like it is probably complete horseshit.

Jonn Lilyea over at TAH shows no record of him on AKO or on USMC Locator.  Not likely he's Navy or Air Force, either.

The good state Senator is once again talking out of her ass.
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Re: The DUmp trying to write the script
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2011, 06:23:09 PM »
Two words DUmbasses: Command hallucinations

The same auditory hallucinations or "voices in the head" that tell paranoid schizophrenics their family is possessed by Satan or the neighbor is an alien overlord from the planet Lobsterbisque or the cop on the corner is a hitman from the Lithuanian Mafia and orders them to do violence to these innocent people are likely the same ones that triggered this guy's acts. The hallucinations have nothing to do with what he watched on TV last night. They are the result of an inability to process reality as normal minds do.

The bodies haven't even reached room temperature yet and you're using them as political theater. That makes you amoral ****s 10X as disgusting as the sick individual who perpetrated these acts.
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Re: The DUmp trying to write the script
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2011, 06:28:59 PM »
the primitives are just killing themselves to make this guy something he isn't - and one would think that they would have figured out by now what with all of these "Teabagger Radicals" turning out to be extremist Muslims or Liberals..

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Re: The DUmp trying to write the script
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2011, 06:30:17 PM »
Using Buddy Finder at Military.com...

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Re: The DUmp trying to write the script
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2011, 06:45:21 PM »
Quote from: ColonialMarine0431 on January 08, 2011, 06:30:17 PM
Using Buddy Finder at Military.com...
 

Said it before, will say it again--no way in hell that kid would have ever made it off the medical deck at MEPS.
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Re: The DUmp trying to write the script
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2011, 06:51:48 PM »
Quote from: NHSparky on January 08, 2011, 06:20:35 PM
Jonn Lilyea over at TAH shows no record of him on AKO or on USMC Locator.  Not likely he's Navy or Air Force, either.
I think his records are in the same location as TomInTib's. He's sure he served. It's seared into his memory.
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Re: The DUmp trying to write the script
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2011, 06:55:15 PM »
Quote from: NHSparky on January 08, 2011, 06:45:21 PM
Said it before, will say it again--no way in hell that kid would have ever made it off the medical deck at MEPS.

Yep. The facial tic and incoherent mumbling woulda been a dead giveaway.





However, I hear the TSA is still hiring.
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Re: The DUmp trying to write the script
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uppityperson  (1000+ posts)          Sat Jan-08-11 05:27 PM
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2. Exactly. He may be mentally ill, but not having this hate shit to feed on?
   maybe he wouldn't have done this


I agree!  100%.  When can we see you calling for the arrest of Ted Rall for writing a book that called for the violent overthrow of the U.S.?

How about calling on $kimmer to permanently tombstone your brethren that have countlessly time and again said that what this country needs is a revolution...that people who don't agree with the Socialist Liberal agend need to be jailed or killed.

I mean after all that the kind of "shit" people like this kid feed on to justify what they do.
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