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Free Julius and Ethel Rosenberg!
« on: December 30, 2010, 10:05:21 AM »
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Better Believe It  (1000+ posts)        Wed Dec-29-10 05:47 PM
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My Parents Were Executed Under the Unconstitutional Espionage Act -- We Must Protect Julian Assange 
 My Parents Were Executed Under the Unconstitutional Espionage Act -- Here's Why We Must Fight to Protect Julian Assange
The Espionage Act is a huge danger to our open society; it's been used to send hundreds of dissenters to jail just for voicing their opinions, transforming dissent into treason.
By Robert Meeropol
December 28, 2010


Rumors are swirling that the United States is preparing to indict Wikileaks leader Julian Assange for conspiring to violate the Espionage Act of 1917. The modern version of that act states among many, many other things that: “Whoever, for the purpose of obtaining information respecting the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States” causes the disclosure or publication of this material, could be subject to massive criminal penalties. It also states that: “If two or more persons conspire to violate any of the foregoing provisions … each of the parties to such conspiracy shall be subject to the punishment provided for the offense which is the object of such conspiracy.” (18 U.S. Code, Chapter 37, Section 793.)

I view the Espionage Act of 1917 as a lifelong nemesis. My parents were charged, tried and ultimately executed after being indicted for Conspiracy to Commit Espionage under that act.

It is no accident that Julian Assange may face a “conspiracy” charge just as my parents did. All that is required of the prosecution to prove a conspiracy is to present evidence that two or more people got together and took one act in furtherance of an illegal plan. It could be a phone call or a conversation.

Viewing the Wikileaks situation through this lens, it becomes apparent why the government would seek to charge Assange with conspiracy. Not only Assange, but anyone involved in the Wikileaks community could be swept up in a dragnet. Just as in my parents’ case, the prosecutors could seek to bully some involved into ratting out others, in return for more favorable treatment. This divide and conquer approach would turn individuals against each other, sow the seeds of distrust within the broader community, and intimidate others into quiescence.

This kind of attack threatens every left wing activist. I urge all progressives to come to the defense of Julian Assange should he be indicted for violating the Espionage Act of 1917.

Read the full article at:

http://www.alternet.org/rights/149345/my_parents_were_e... /


Eugene Debs, the great labor leader and socialist was also falsely charged with espionage under the Espionage Act for giving an anti-war speech! He served five years in prison!

I don't believe the Rosenbergs were guilty of "stealing the secret" of the atomic bomb and giving it to the Soviet Union. They didn't have the atom bomb "secret" and they were not members of the American Communist Party as government prosecutors suggested. They were executed under bogus charges.

The Rosenberg's conviction and execution intensified the big post World War II government witch-hunt that charged members of the Communist Party and other radical organizations with being secret spies for the Soviet Union. That claim was total bull shit but most people believed it was true because of an effective "anti-Red" propaganda campaign by politicians of both major parties and the mass media and the Communist Party's support of the Stalinist regimes in the Soviet Union and eastern Europe.

I don't agree with the policies of the American Communist Party during that period or afterwards. And most radicals during that dark period of McCarthyism didn't agree with the views of the Communist Party, but, members of the Communist Party and their supporters were not Russian spies.

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lunatica  (1000+ posts)        Wed Dec-29-10 05:57 PM
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2. It's no surprise that governments are trying to squelch freedoms

Since it seems truth is leaking out all over the place. It stand to reason that those who have kept the truth from coming out would do everything in their power to stop it. This is no surprise to anyone who understands the rudiments of human psychology or who knows history. There is always the backlash from those in power. I expect it'll get worse, and more violent if history serves.
And yet this anal crumb cheers every despotic act by Chavez because the People's Nation must be protected from enemies (read: Obama).

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aquart  (1000+ posts)        Wed Dec-29-10 06:22 PM
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3. My dad knew his dad.
 Rosenberg was my father's boss during World War II. They were inspectors. They stopped greedy manufacturers from killing our soldiers with dangerous equipment. To the day he died, my father believed THAT was the reason for Rosenberg's prosecution.
Tyranny is speedy: only one voice counts. Democracy is slow and annoying: every voice counts.


Lemme see if I got this right: a nation whose elected reps just ignored the electorate and passed HCR in the teeth of massive public outcry and herd us at gunpoint to a bunch of rent-seeking insurance companies would need to create a years-long public spectacle over 2 mid-level inspectors over QC issues even though the government supposedly runs the media?
 
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Better Believe It  (1000+ posts)        Wed Dec-29-10 08:59 PM
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5. Robert Meeropol might be interested in what you wrote about your dad.


Would that Meerpool was interested in profesional psychiatric help.

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Recursion (1000+ posts)      Thu Dec-30-10 03:52 PM
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9. Eh
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VENONA#Julius_and_Ethel_Ro...

Sobell also confessed to spying, and implicated Julius as his accomplice, on his deathbed.

There are problems with the espionage act, but I think bringing up people who actually were engaged in espionage muddies the issue.

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Re: Free Julius and Ethel Rosenberg!
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2010, 11:34:16 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VENONA#Julius_and_Ethel_Ro

Went clicking off on many tangents in that link....noticed that Berzerkley, Commiefornia was mentioned many times as the meeting place/home of many commie spies.

Things haven't changed much in 80 years in Berzerkley.

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Re: Free Julius and Ethel Rosenberg!
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2010, 11:39:44 AM »
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lunatica  (1000+ posts)        Wed Dec-29-10 05:57 PM
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2. It's no surprise that governments are trying to squelch freedoms

Since it seems truth is leaking out all over the place. It stand to reason that those who have kept the truth from coming out would do everything in their power to stop it. This is no surprise to anyone who understands the rudiments of human psychology or who knows history. There is always the backlash from those in power. I expect it'll get worse, and more violent if history serves.



The lunatic DUmmie complains that governments are trying to squelch freedoms.  This comes from the same group that wants to ban Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and Sean Hannity. 

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Re: Free Julius and Ethel Rosenberg!
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2010, 11:45:42 AM »
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Recursion (1000+ posts)      Thu Dec-30-10 03:52 PM
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9. Eh
 http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ENONA#Julius_and_Ethel_Ro...

Sobell also confessed to spying, and implicated Julius as his accomplice, on his deathbed.

There are problems with the espionage act, but I think bringing up people who actually were engaged in espionage muddies the issue.

We can only dream of a bonus the size DUmmy Recursion will receive for this post.
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Re: Free Julius and Ethel Rosenberg!
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2010, 03:48:20 PM »
And yet this anal crumb cheers every despotic act by Chavez because the People's Nation must be protected from enemies (read: Obama).
 

Lemme see if I got this right: a nation whose elected reps just ignored the electorate and passed HCR in the teeth of massive public outcry and herd us at gunpoint to a bunch of rent-seeking insurance companies would need to create a years-long public spectacle over 2 mid-level inspectors over QC issues even though the government supposedly runs the media?
  

Would that Meerpool was interested in profesional psychiatric help.

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This cannot be true, I at 9- 10 or so heard on the radio of the execution and my first thought at that time was what will become of the children--older then I was at the time.

As the years passed for me every once in a while this spy thing was brought up in school or as a young adult the books I read.

Gave one to think, how would I feel if my parents were executed for spying.  What true evidence did the government have for the charges.?

From what I have read so far in the last 45 years I am still unsure about their guilt.  I still wonder what happend to their children---Strange--seems to run in the family.

Some in my family believed that Charles Limbugh lied on the stand when he testified at the trial of the people charged with kidnapping his son.

If this poster is actually the son of the Rosenberg's, why have they not written a few books at this late date about their lives up to that time and beyond.??

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Re: Free Julius and Ethel Rosenberg!
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2010, 04:38:13 PM »


The lunatic DUmmie complains that governments are trying to squelch freedoms.  This comes from the same group that wants to ban Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and Sean Hannity. 

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DUmmies want to squelch truth, totally different thing.  :whatever:  :whistling:  :-)

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Re: Free Julius and Ethel Rosenberg!
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2010, 05:08:58 PM »
DUmmies want to squelch truth, totally different thing.  :whatever:  :whistling:  :-)

So you are hanging on to the the Wikileak for the the TRUTH about world politics.

You want the TRUTH so now we are getting it, full blown and incontestable.

Truth is uncomfortable and brings down Hero's.  More powerful then an army of men.

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Re: Free Julius and Ethel Rosenberg!
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2010, 05:37:29 PM »
This cannot be true, I at 9- 10 or so heard on the radio of the execution and my first thought at that time was what will become of the children--older then I was at the time.

WTF does that have to do with anything?

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As the years passed for me every once in a while this spy thing was brought up in school or as a young adult the books I read.

Gave one to think, how would I feel if my parents were executed for spying.  What true evidence did the government have for the charges.?

From what I have read so far in the last 45 years I am still unsure about their guilt.  I still wonder what happend to their children---Strange--seems to run in the family.

And people insist Jamal Mumia and Tookie Williams are innocent.

Commies lie.

As Recursion noted we have confessions.

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Some in my family believed that Charles Limbugh lied on the stand when he testified at the trial of the people charged with kidnapping his son.

Irrelevant.

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If this poster is actually the son of the Rosenberg's, why have they not written a few books at this late date about their lives up to that time and beyond.??

No, you twit, he's posting an article by the son of traitors.
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Re: Free Julius and Ethel Rosenberg!
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2010, 06:00:27 PM »
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lunatica  (1000+ posts)        Wed Dec-29-10 05:57 PM
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2. It's no surprise that governments are trying to squelch freedoms


Like the Fairness Doctrine? Obamacare?
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Re: Free Julius and Ethel Rosenberg!
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2010, 07:10:43 PM »
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lunatica  (1000+ posts)        Wed Dec-29-10 05:57 PM
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2. It's no surprise that governments are trying to squelch freedoms

Since it seems truth is leaking out all over the place. It stand to reason that those who have kept the truth from coming out would do everything in their power to stop it. This is no surprise to anyone who understands the rudiments of human psychology or who knows history. There is always the backlash from those in power. I expect it'll get worse, and more violent if history serves.
The lunatic DUmmie complains that governments are trying to squelch freedoms.  This comes from the same group that wants to ban Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and Sean Hannity. 
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That's exactly what I was thinking after I read that. I was like,..... :wtf2:
Obviously the DUmmies are VERY misinformed or just so much of a zombie that they don't know what's really going on.

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Re: Free Julius and Ethel Rosenberg!
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2010, 07:43:48 PM »
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This kind of attack threatens every left wing activist.

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