Comparison Of Past Political Beliefs And Now

[compaqxp]

Good link I found in another forum I go on, enjoy!

http://www.therealdifference.org/print.html

[Rebel]

Labor: Wages and Unions  --------

Republicans:

Oppose Workers
Oppose raising minimum wages and have worked to weaken unions and labor standards.

What a bunch of bullshit. Is this why Union states are bleeding jobs? Because Democrats support the workers? Maybe it's why people are flocking to Right to Work states. Could that be it?

Republicans don't oppose workers, you dumbass. They just know how the f'n leeches at the heads of the various unions KILL jobs. Need any ****in' examples, moron?


Oh, and give the real source:

http://www.therealdifference.org/

The f'n Green Party. You're more f'n whacked out in the head than I thought. Probably only about 20 years old and already think you have all the answers.

BTW, why are you driving a German-made car, Mr. "I Support the American Worker"?

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Oppose raising minimum wages...

So what happens when the government dictates $7.50/hour for a job the market is only willing to pay $5.00/hour to see performed?

HINT: nothing

People stop paying to have the job done.

Here's a basic economic tenent you might have missed:

$5.00/hour > $0.00/hour


I'm gonna guess you're also in favor of flooding the labor market with illegals who would do a job for a fraction of legal immigrants/citizens.

[true_blood]

The Green Party = 

[5412]

So what happens when the government dictates $7.50/hour for a job the market is only willing to pay $5.00/hour to see performed?

HINT: nothing

People stop paying to have the job done.

Here's a basic economic tenent you might have missed:

$5.00/hour > $0.00/hour


I'm gonna guess you're also in favor of flooding the labor market with illegals who would do a job for a fraction of legal immigrants/citizens.

Hi Snuggle Bunny,

Actually something does happen every time the minimum wage is increased.  First, many union contracts are tied to that number so some union members get increases that ripple all the way up the line.

Second, many years ago I used to work for a company that employed thousands of workers at minimum wage.  My comments were also verified by Senator Connie Mack a few years back when I attended a breakfast meeting.  Basically companies that employ lots of minimum wage workers cut back on hours so it does create more unemployment at the one spot you want to add to the employment figures.  That, in turn costs all the taxpayers money for more food stamps, etc.

Let's say you ran a retail outlet that employed many minimum wage or entry level workers and you had a payroll budget of $100,000.  Now the minimum wage goes up 10%, I can guarantee you that your budget will not go up, you will be told to make your numbers however you have to do.....so you either fire someone or cut back on hours.  They have proven that time and time again but the libs do not care because it panders to the union vote.....and indeed drives more jobs offshore.

Why do folks find themselves standing in long lines at McDonalds and other places like that?  The other day I was 12th in line at Burger King and remarked to the guy in front of me, this used to be called fast food.  Not anymore.

Happy New Year,
5412

[dandi]

Good link I found in another forum I go on, enjoy!

http://www.therealdifference.org/print.html

What do you do for a living?

[compaqxp]

The f'n Green Party. You're more f'n whacked out in the head than I thought. Probably only about 20 years old and already think you have all the answers.

BTW, why are you driving a German-made car, Mr. "I Support the American Worker"?

You're assuming to much, I should have checked the source before posting but I failed to do so. No I don't have all the answers and no I'm not 20. Had I checked the source first which I should have done I would not have posted it. I did think it was interesting though.

Because German-made cars are better. Why would I pay for a inferior product?

What do you do for a living?

Why?

[Attero Dominatus]

Good link I found in another forum I go on, enjoy!

http://www.therealdifference.org/print.html

No thanks. I prefer this to progressivism. http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution.html

[Rebel]

Because German-made cars are better. Why would I pay for a inferior product?

BULLSHIT! There was a time when Japanese cars were better than American cars, but they've reached parity. German cars are nothing but status symbols and my experience with them is they are pieces of dog shit.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Hi Snuggle Bunny,

Actually something does happen every time the minimum wage is increased.  First, many union contracts are tied to that number so some union members get increases that ripple all the way up the line.

Yes, but even unions are quite capable of pricing themselves out of the labor market and recently several of them have done just that.

Second, many years ago I used to work for a company that employed thousands of workers at minimum wage.  My comments were also verified by Senator Connie Mack a few years back when I attended a breakfast meeting.  Basically companies that employ lots of minimum wage workers cut back on hours so it does create more unemployment at the one spot you want to add to the employment figures.  That, in turn costs all the taxpayers money for more food stamps, etc.

Let's say you ran a retail outlet that employed many minimum wage or entry level workers and you had a payroll budget of $100,000.  Now the minimum wage goes up 10%, I can guarantee you that your budget will not go up, you will be told to make your numbers however you have to do.....so you either fire someone or cut back on hours.  They have proven that time and time again but the libs do not care because it panders to the union vote.....and indeed drives more jobs offshore.

All vey predictable consequences to the very phenomenon I was describing.

[compaqxp]

BULLSHIT! There was a time when Japanese cars were better than American cars, but they've reached parity. German cars are nothing but status symbols and my experience with them is they are pieces of dog shit.

I dislike American cars, you dislike Germans cars, who cares? I've been driving German cars for years and have had very few issues. Also name one American car (not truck) that is offered in Diesel.

This topic isn't about cars. Why did you bring them into it?

[true_blood]

I dislike American cars, you dislike Germans cars, who cares? I've been driving German cars for years and have had very few issues. Also name one American car (not truck) that is offered in Diesel.
This topic isn't about cars. Why did you bring them into it?

Rebel didn't bring it up. You brought it up **** stain.

[compaqxp]

Rebel didn't bring it up. You brought it up **** stain.

Yes he did. Read the topic again.

[true_blood]

Yes he did. Read the topic again.

[5412]

Yes, but even unions are quite capable of pricing themselves out of the labor market and recently several of them have done just that.

All vey predictable consequences to the very phenomenon I was describing.

Hi Bunny,

We agree.

Funny but I read the discussion about cars.  Seems that American auto manufacturers have a decided disadvantage in the market.  Last time I saw the figures each and every American automobile produced in one of the big three automakers factories had over $2,000 in cost for pensions etc. for former union employees who were retired.  At the same time the Japanese automakers had something like $600.  All they have to do is to produce a higher quality car with a little more cost into the product, sell it at a competitive price with the US brands and they can make a fine profit.

What I find truly amazing is the union leadership is selling such bullshit to the workers and they are buying it.  On one hand they are demanding more and more, yet they are trying to organize outside the US.  Once they get more dues from foreign countries, not hard to figure out what will happen.

In IL, where we spend our summers, the state is in terrible financial shape.  Seems the unions are not going along with cost cutting measures.  Now they are getting scared and trying to get democrat legislatures to pass laws that cities and counties cannot file for bankruptcy......because that voids all the union contracts and damn, they might have to negotiate in good faith under current market conditions.  God forbid they should have to do that.....

regards,
5412

[thundley4]

Hi Bunny,

We agree.

Funny but I read the discussion about cars.  Seems that American auto manufacturers have a decided disadvantage in the market.  Last time I saw the figures each and every American automobile produced in one of the big three automakers factories had over $2,000 in cost for pensions etc. for former union employees who were retired.  At the same time the Japanese automakers had something like $600.  All they have to do is to produce a higher quality car with a little more cost into the product, sell it at a competitive price with the US brands and they can make a fine profit.

What I find truly amazing is the union leadership is selling such bullshit to the workers and they are buying it.  On one hand they are demanding more and more, yet they are trying to organize outside the US.  Once they get more dues from foreign countries, not hard to figure out what will happen.

In IL, where we spend our summers, the state is in terrible financial shape.  Seems the unions are not going along with cost cutting measures.  Now they are getting scared and trying to get democrat legislatures to pass laws that cities and counties cannot file for bankruptcy......because that voids all the union contracts and damn, they might have to negotiate in good faith under current market conditions.  God forbid they should have to do that.....

regards,
5412

Governor Quinn is talking about taking out a $15 billion dollar loan. That will do nothing to solve problems, just pushes them farther down the road.

[Splashdown]

They're cute when they try to talk economics...

[NHSparky]

I dislike American cars, you dislike Germans cars, who cares? I've been driving German cars for years and have had very few issues. Also name one American car (not truck) that is offered in Diesel.

This topic isn't about cars. Why did you bring them into it?

Having dealt with German cars (ex-wife drove both a VW Passat and a Mercedes C-Class), I can say without reservation that they're not all they're cracked up to be, particularly the Mercedes, which IIRC translates to, "major ****ing electrical issues that cost a shitload of money."  The Volkswagen wasn't much better.

As far as the biggest POS truck I've ever owned?  Toyota Tundra.  The best?  Tie between my 1985 Nissan (until my sister got hold of it and totaled it) and my 2008 Jeep.

And guess who has the highest productivity in the world, numbnuts?  Think it's because we DON'T have socialism?

[5412]

Governor Quinn is talking about taking out a $15 billion dollar loan. That will do nothing to solve problems, just pushes them farther down the road.

Hi,

The states are under the illusion the federal government will bail them out.  Might be a little more difficult as congress gets conservative.  Those who bought the bonds should take the thumping, not the taxpayers.

regards,
5412

[dandi]

Why?

A matter of curiosity.  I was wondering why someone who obviously does not support American union labor would post pro-union propaganda. 

Because German-made cars are better.

Hardly.  I have yet to see foreign car companies produce diesel engines that can take the overall abuse that Cummins, Powerstroke, and Duramax engines can take.  They will last for a long time (personal experience with Mercedes diesel engines), but they cannot take the stress and pounding that the aforementioned can.

Why would I pay for a inferior product?

Are you verifying what most of us already know?  That unions hamper progress and quality more than promote it?