Cold weather proof of global warming (bonus suicide run)

[Carl]

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discocrisco01 (403 posts)          Sat Dec-25-10 06:26 PM
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An Explanation For The Climate Change Denier   
      

Here is a good reason why the climate change deniers are wrong about the cold weather


THE earth continues to get warmer, yet it’s feeling a lot colder outside. Over the past few weeks, subzero temperatures in Poland claimed 66 lives; snow arrived in Seattle well before the winter solstice, and fell heavily enough in Minneapolis to make the roof of the Metrodome collapse; and last week blizzards closed Europe’s busiest airports in London and Frankfurt for days, stranding holiday travelers. The snow and record cold have invaded the Eastern United States, with more bad weather predicted.

All of this cold was met with perfect comic timing by the release of a World Meteorological Organization report showing that 2010 will probably be among the three warmest years on record, and 2001 through 2010 the warmest decade on record.

How can we reconcile this? The not-so-obvious short answer is that the overall warming of the atmosphere is actually creating cold-weather extremes. Last winter, too, was exceptionally snowy and cold across the Eastern United States and Eurasia, as were seven of the previous nine winters.

For a more detailed explanation, we must turn our attention to the snow in Siberia.

Annual cycles like El Niño/Southern Oscillation, solar variability and global ocean currents cannot account for recent winter cooling. And though it is well documented that the earth’s frozen areas are in retreat, evidence of thinning Arctic sea ice does not explain why the world’s major cities are having colder winters.

But one phenomenon that may be significant is the way in which seasonal snow cover has continued to increase even as other frozen areas are shrinking. In the past two decades, snow cover has expanded across the high latitudes of the Northern Hemisphere, especially in Siberia, just north of a series of exceptionally high mountain ranges, including the Himalayas, the Tien Shan and the Altai.

The high topography of Asia influences the atmosphere in profound ways. The jet stream, a river of fast-flowing air five to seven miles above sea level, bends around Asia’s mountains in a wavelike pattern, much as water in a stream flows around a rock or boulder. The energy from these atmospheric waves, like the energy from a sound wave, propagates both horizontally and vertically.

As global temperatures have warmed and as Arctic sea ice has melted over the past two and a half decades, more moisture has become available to fall as snow over the continents. So the snow cover across Siberia in the fall has steadily increased.

The sun’s energy reflects off the bright white snow and escapes back out to space. As a result, the temperature cools. When snow cover is more abundant in Siberia, it creates an unusually large dome of cold air next to the mountains, and this amplifies the standing waves in the atmosphere, just as a bigger rock in a stream increases the size of the waves of water flowing by.

The increased wave energy in the air spreads both horizontally, around the Northern Hemisphere, and vertically, up into the stratosphere and down toward the earth’s surface. In response, the jet stream, instead of flowing predominantly west to east as usual, meanders more north and south. In winter, this change in flow sends warm air north from the subtropical oceans into Alaska and Greenland, but it also pushes cold air south from the Arctic on the east side of the Rockies. Meanwhile, across Eurasia, cold air from Siberia spills south into East Asia and even southwestward into Europe.

That is why the Eastern United States, Northern Europe and East Asia have experienced extraordinarily snowy and cold winters since the turn of this century. Most forecasts have failed to predict these colder winters, however, because the primary drivers in their models are the oceans, which have been warming even as winters have grown chillier. They have ignored the snow in Siberia.

Last week, the British government asked its chief science adviser for an explanation. My advice to him is to look to the east.

It’s all a snow job by nature. The reality is, we’re freezing not in spite of climate change but because of it



In a simple word, brilliant analysis.

Sounds to me like how the planet normally regulates its climate.
So far no one at the DUmp sees anything hysterical here so have ignored the thread but out of nowhere...

Josh Duper (1 posts)       Sat Dec-25-10 06:44 PM
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4. Global Warming or Fleecing
   A lot of people are getting rich off "Global Warming" as the world gets colder.

You are not long for the hotter cooler uhm...one of those worlds.

[AllosaursRus]

Now I've heard everything! It's colder because it's getting warmer!!!!

These asshats actually believe this shit!!!!!

Dementia, thy definition is "the DUmp"!

[longview]

The only global warmings I know to be true are foretold in the Book of Revelations.

Those might be a good ones to study and believe.

[BlueStateSaint]

The only global warmings I know to be true are foretold in the Book of Revelations.

Those might be a good ones to study and believe.

Very good point.  H5 given.

[Vagabond]

So...Once again, just for the DUmmies.

If it's...
...warmer than unsual...
...colder than usual...
...wetter than usual...
...drier than usual...
...pretty much the same as it has always been...
...it's caused by global warming.

We know DUmmies read these threads, so I will ask any that are brave enough to post an answer to the following question.  What circumstance or set of circumstances would disprove global warming? 

Before any DUmmie thinks I am being unfair or obtuse, I would point out that Einstein provided a set of circumstances that would disprove his theory of relativity.  Something that can not be disproven is not a theory or a fact, it is a belief. That would mean global warming is a religion.

[Carl]

So...Once again, just for the DUmmies.

If it's...
...warmer than unsual...
...colder than usual...
...wetter than usual...
...drier than usual...
...pretty much the same as it has always been...
...it's caused by global warming.

We know DUmmies read these threads, so I will ask any that are brave enough to post an answer to the following question.  What circumstance or set of circumstances would disprove global warming? 

Before any DUmmie thinks I am being unfair or obtuse, I would point out that Einstein provided a set of circumstances that would disprove his theory of relativity.  Something that can not be disproven is not a theory or a fact, it is a belief. That would mean global warming is a religion.

If you visit the thread one tries to point that out without success.

BeFree  (1000+ posts)          Sat Dec-25-10 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. Nevermind
   You are a denier and I decided to never discuss this reality with deniers.
We can't help deniers. It is impossible. Have a nice day.

[Happy Fun Ball]

Does that mean that if it's hotter than normal, it's because of global cooling?

[diesel driver]

Does that mean that if it's hotter than normal, it's because of global cooling?

I thought all this "global warming" bullshit is now known as "Climate Change^tm"

[AprilRazz]

I found this reader comment on our local rags website last night.

We're within 12 hours of a snow event and are uncertain as to the measurable outcome of the storm. Yet, we can predict with absolute myopic certainty that the planet will warm up by 2 degrees in the next 99 years. Where is that global warming when you really need it?

[Evil_Conservative]

My mom used that dumb analogy on me two years ago.  She was like, "well it snows more because the Earth is warming and that's why we are having colder weather."  I just replied with, "you will believe anything that black box in your living room tells you, won't you?"

Do people not realize how ****ing stupid they sound when they say shit like that?

[Texacon]

In going over and looking at the thread one would wonder if they are on DU.  Dang.  A year ago half of those on that thread would have been banned.

Looks like some are starting to realize what we've been saying .... it's not science, it's a religion.  All hail the Gore.

KC

[jukin]

I thought all this "global warming" bullshit is now known as "Climate Change^tm"

Global climate change is so 2009. The most inexperienced, ideological, and least qualified president in our history has proclaimed it to be "Climate Disruption."  If anyone thinks that the money train that is global, warmi...er ah.. global climate chang...er..ah  CLIMATE DISRUPTION is going to stop merely because every single prediction it theorizes has been proven false, is sadly mistaken.

[diesel driver]

Global climate change is so 2009. The most inexperienced, ideological, and least qualified president in our history has proclaimed it to be "Climate Disruption."  If anyone thinks that the money train that is global, warmi...er ah.. global climate chang...er..ah  CLIMATE DISRUPTION is going to stop merely because every single prediction it theorizes has been proven false, is sadly mistaken.

I need to update my "Environmentalist Wacko Terminology Dictionary"

"Climate Change^tm" = "Climate Disruption^tm"

Got it!   

[true_blood]

Josh Duper (1 posts)       Sat Dec-25-10 06:44 PM
Response to Original message
4. Global Warming or Fleecing
A lot of people are getting rich off "Global Warming" as the world gets colder.

Just a lousy freeper passing through.

[Freeper]

Is there climate change?
Yes there is. Scientists tell us there were ice ages and periods of warming.
All this happened way before the first SUV rolled off the assembly line.
This happened before the first caveman lit a fire in the winter to keep warm.
So according to the same scientists that are screaming the world is ending because of SUVs and cow farts also tell us that global climate change has occurred all through our history.

[ReaganForRushmore]

I thought all this "global warming" bullshit is now known as "Climate Change^tm"

Climate change is merely the changes of seasons

[Attero Dominatus]

Saying global warming causes cold temperatures is like saying that fission of Uranium 235 consumes energy.

[Randy]

Saying global warming causes cold temperatures is like saying that fission of Uranium 235 consumes energy.

Oh man, next I suppose you'll tell me that lightbulbs don't absorb dark?

[JohnnyReb]

Oh man, next I suppose you'll tell me that lightbulbs don't absorb dark?

Haven't you noticed that the higher the wattage of the bulb, the louder the giant sucking sound it makes as it sucks up the dark.

I'll be glad when the Chinese invent the silent light bulb.... North Korea already has them....and they're free.

[Happy Fun Ball]

And I suppose when you travel somewhere, you actually stay still and the enitre universe moves around you instead.

[Rebel]