Whining and Complaining about Bradley Manning's living conditions

[compaqxp]

He broke the law, he knew the ramifications and now he is suffering. While I won't say if he is or isn't guilty, I don't feel bad for him. I barley know what Democratic Underground was until I joined here, I just knew they were more left then me.


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sabra  (1000+ posts)          Thu Dec-23-10 12:29 PM
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Bradley Manning Speaks About His Conditions   
      

Source: FDL - David House

Bradley Manning, the 23-year-old Army private accused of leaking classified information to Wikileaks, has been held in the brig at Quantico Marine Corp Base for five months in inhumane conditions, with severe restrictions on his ability to exercise, communicate, or even sleep. Manning has not been convicted of any crime. Nor is there a date certain for any court hearing.

The conditions of Bradley Manning’s confinement became a top issue in the press last week as bloggers traded blows with US officials over allegations that Manning endures inhumane treatment at the Quantico, VA detainment facility. In the midst of this rush by the Defense Department to contextualize Manning’s confinement, I traveled to see the man himself at the Marine Corps detainment facility in Quantico, VA.

In my visit to see Bradley at the Quantico brig, it became clear that the Pentagon’s public spin from last week sharply contradicts the reality of Bradley Manning’s detainment. In his five months of detention, it has become obvious to me that Manning’s physical and mental well-being are deteriorating. What Manning needs, and what his attorney has already urged, is to have the unnecessary “Prevention of Injury” order lifted that severely restricts his ability to exercise, communicate, and sleep.

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I am one of the few people allowed to visit Bradley Manning while he is detained in the Quantico brig.

Manning is held in “maximum custody,” the military’s most severe detention policy. Manning is also confined under a longstanding Prevention of Injury (POI) order which limits his social contact, news consumption, ability to exercise, and that places restrictions on his ability to sleep.

Manning has been living under the solitary restrictions of POI for five months despite being cleared by a military psychologist earlier this year, and despite repeated calls from his attorney David Coombs to lift the severely restrictive and isolating order. POI orders are short-term restrictions that are typically implemented when a detainee changes confinement facilities and these orders are lifted after the detainee passes psychological evaluation.
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BeFree  (1000+ posts)          Thu Dec-23-10 12:34 PM
Response to Original message
2. Eh?   
   Does one lose all their rights just because they enlist?

Well, they just now got rid of DADT, eh?

I hope they show Manning some respect. To some of us he is a true Patriot

^To some people he isn't though...

coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts)        Thu Dec-23-10 05:39 PM
Response to Reply #29
60. You apparently think he's guilty until he proves his innocence. HE
   HAS NOT BEEN CONVICTED OR EVEN TRIED. The military is torturing him while in captivity to try to break him.

northernlights (1000+ posts)        Thu Dec-23-10 05:46 PM
Response to Reply #24
63. I don't know what he expected, but I expect him to be treated decently and lawfully
   and it sounds like they are not treating him decently or lawfully.

Solitary confinement, sleep deprivation and exercise deprivation are not acceptable, period. And he has not even been charged with a crime, let alone tried or found guilty, yet is held indefinitely and in inhuman conditions. I seem to remember having read at some point in time that sleep-deprivation is considered torture under the Geneva Conventions. You know, another one of those "quaint" pieces of paper we are party to.

That is not acceptable to me, and it should not be acceptable to any decent, law-abiding, law-respecting, tax-paying citizen.

coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts)        Thu Dec-23-10 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #10
58. So much for the presumption of innocence -- Manning has not been
   tried yet, much less convicted. Not that you'd know that from your post.

The military is torturing Manning to try to break him so that he will implicate Assange. Not much better than Stalin's show trials, imho.

Manning is absolutely innocent in the eyes of the law until and unless he's convicted.

^They love comparing things in America to Stalin it would appear.

[LC EFA]

He's not really being treated all that differently to any other prisoner in maximum security "supermax" type prisons. Even those that are there on remand.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

He gets more sleep than your average boot camp trainee.

****ing liars.

[ReaganForRushmore]

Do DUmmies even realize that Manning is under the UCMJ?....Oh, wait, I answered my own question.

[true_blood]

He's a traitor.
I really don't care if his "physical conditions" deteriorate. Maybe he should of thought about his actions before committing the crimes.

[Texacon]

He broke the law, he knew the ramifications and now he is suffering. While I won't say if he is or isn't guilty, I don't feel bad for him. I barley know what Democratic Underground was until I joined here, I just knew they were more left then me.


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^To some people he isn't though...^They love comparing things in America to Stalin it would appear.

I gave you a BS for the anti gun rant.

I gave you a ^5 for this post.  Your first one.  Congrats.

KC

[BlueStateSaint]

I gave you a BS for the anti gun rant.

I gave you a ^5 for this post.  Your first one.  Congrats.

KC

Ya know something?  I'm about to give him/her one for the same reason.

Thing is, it's as deserved as the 7 or so BSes I've given said person.

[NHSparky]

He gets more sleep than your average boot camp trainee.

****ing liars.

Or your average front-line trooper.  You know what I called it when I got 8-10 hours of sleep on the boat underway?

A good week.

[Randy]

So if ole Brad has a problem then he should just go ahead and plead guilty, stop all the trial prep and take his execution like a man.

[JohnnyReb]

He's living the DUmmie dream, 3 hots, a cot, free healthcare and not a damn thing to do all day.

[AllosaursRus]

Oh, call the Waaaaaaaaaaaambulance!!!!

I know, lets put him in general population! Then we won't have to worry about trying the little queer!

DUmmies sure as hell don't understand the fact that he is being protected to the extent that even though those in the same jail as he is are criminals in their own right, they hate traitors worse than they do child molesters!

Put him in general pop! Then let's see how they whine when they find him stabbed full 'o holes and big sausage stickin' out of all his orifices!

[Airwolf]

I can't tell you the number of times that I as an 11B infantryman spent sleeping in all kinds of weather,in a ****in hole in the ground I had to dig myself in either sand or mud or worse in that damn red clay thats all over the South . Our favorite traitor Manning won't even come close to what I and many mnay many others had to go through just in training exercises. Try living in a damn hole in the ground for two to four weeks at a time and see how fresh you feel after that.

[BlueStateSaint]

I can't tell you the number of times that I as an 11B infantryman spent sleeping in all kinds of weather,in a ****in hole in the ground I had to dig myself in either sand or mud or worse in that damn red clay thats all over the South . Our favorite traitor Manning won't even come close to what I and many mnay many others had to go through just in training exercises. Try living in a damn hole in the ground for two to four weeks at a time and see how fresh you feel after that.

A story comes to mind.  When 2/3 ACR was on its' rotation to the NTC in 1989, we had . . . "limited" opportunities to rinse off, much less shower.  I felt that it'd probably be a good thing to be able to wash my hair under the flow of one of the water buffaloes, so I had some fruity-smelling Tegrin or other shampoo in a small pea-green plastic bottle, in the cargo pocket of my BDU trousers.  I had just run my head under the water buffalo's spigot, and washed my hair . . . and for some reason, I never screwed the cap back on to the top of the bottle of shampoo.  It inverted in the pocket.  Naturally, the shampoo didn't defy gravity, and it flowed out of the bottle, all inside the pocket on my right thigh.  And it smelled so sweetly perfumey.  I was praying that everyone at the C&S meeting (in seven minutes, mind you) would have sinus problems and wouldn't be able to smell anything.  Not a chance.  Everyone in the TOC extensions could smell it . . . and in walked the SCO, who sniffed the air twice and said, "Who smells like a French whore?"  Not too much I could do . . . except own up to it.  Not a high point of the rotation.

[Mike B the Cajun]

A story comes to mind.  When 2/3 ACR was on its' rotation to the NTC in 1989, we had . . . "limited" opportunities to rinse off, much less shower.  I felt that it'd probably be a good thing to be able to wash my hair under the flow of one of the water buffaloes, so I had some fruity-smelling Tegrin or other shampoo in a small pea-green plastic bottle, in the cargo pocket of my BDU trousers.  I had just run my head under the water buffalo's spigot, and washed my hair . . . and for some reason, I never screwed the cap back on to the top of the bottle of shampoo.  It inverted in the pocket.  Naturally, the shampoo didn't defy gravity, and it flowed out of the bottle, all inside the pocket on my right thigh.  And it smelled so sweetly perfumey.  I was praying that everyone at the C&S meeting (in seven minutes, mind you) would have sinus problems and wouldn't be able to smell anything.  Not a chance.  Everyone in the TOC extensions could smell it . . . and in walked the SCO, who sniffed the air twice and said, "Who smells like a French whore?"  Not too much I could do . . . except own up to it.  Not a high point of the rotation.

As a Vietnam-era former 11B, I can appreciate the "humor" of that experience!!

[diesel driver]

He broke the law, he knew the ramifications and now he is suffering. While I won't say if he is or isn't guilty, I don't feel bad for him. I barley know what Democratic Underground was until I joined here, I just knew they were more left then me.

Compaq, there is nothing currently on this planet, or perceived to be on this planet in the future, or has or is to be invented, that is more left than the DUmp.  The DUmp is so far to the left ("How far is it?"), one more step to the left and they'd fall off the face of the earth.  They lean so far left, when they stand up, they are horizontal.

To them, Stalin was a piker, Pol Pot an amateur, and Mao only a beginner. 
Karl Marx's "Communist Manifesto" is too abridged for their taste, and Lenin was a limp-wristed girly man when it came to instituting the policies of the left.

The DUmp is living proof you don't need a brain to be a liberal, in fact, having a brain and being capable of logical thought is a hindrance.

[true_blood]

Compaq, there is nothing currently on this planet, or perceived to be on this planet in the future, or has or is to be invented, that is more left than the DUmp.  The DUmp is so far to the left ("How far is it?"), one more step to the left and they'd fall off the face of the earth.  They lean so far left, when they stand up, they are horizontal.
To them, Stalin was a piker, Pol Pot an amateur, and Mao only a beginner. 
Karl Marx's "Communist Manifesto" is too abridged for their taste, and Lenin was a limp-wristed girly man when it came to instituting the policies of the left.
The DUmp is living proof you don't need a brain to be a liberal, in fact, having a brain and being capable of logical thought is a hindrance.

Very well said Diesel.