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We can't close GITMO because we engaged in war crimes..
« on: December 22, 2010, 09:09:56 PM »
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Dec-22-10 05:31 PM
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We can't close GITMO because we engaged in war crimes..
   
I heard President Obama answer why we can't close GITMO at his presser today.
Basically he said that we have some very dangerous people at GITMO. We can't let them go, because they would be a threat to the USA. We can't bring them to trial because after 9-11 we did some things that basically will not stand up in the court of law.

We tortured people that are now in GITMO and therefore cannot bring them to court. And we cannot release them, because they are a threat.

GITMO will always be a recruiting tool used against us. We don't have any war crime charges. Something needs to be done to undue this damage.

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Yep if only we would close GITMO then they all would love us.
I'm so tired of you goons defending enemies of my country.
You assholes cry yourself to sleep over the "torture" the poor brown people in GITMO suffered yet you don't give a shit about what they have done or tried to do to innocent people.

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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Dec-22-10 06:18 PM
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17. During the run-up to the Iraq invasion I heard many people debating whether Bush had the authority
   
to start the war.

Lost in those conversations was any thought of whether we should attack people who hadn't harmed us.

Lost was any consideration of what kind of monster would contemplate such a thing.

The framing was all about the legalities.

Just sayin'

How quick you fuscksticks forget that Bush not only went to the UN but he went to congress before the first boot hit the ground. This bullshit that Bush just up and started a war needs to be shut down.

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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Dec-22-10 05:38 PM
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3. What would ANYONE here have said if that came from Bush?
   
????

No, stop and think a little.

That's right, we'd be calling for his head.

Tell me again why it's okay when Obama does it.

Didn't you get the memo? Obama has acquired most favored status at DU again, he got rid of DADT the most important issue in the world at the moment.

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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Dec-22-10 05:47 PM
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9. It's not. Not at all. Not in the slightest.
   
It's not even unofficial anymore. Democracy Now today said Obama's planning to sign an executive order officializing indefinite detention with no charges or trial in Gitmo, the place he said would be closed within a year of his taking office.

I'm done with that shit. Primary him in 2012. Primary everyone. Put him in jail with Bush.

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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Dec-22-10 05:48 PM
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10. "Put him in jail with Bush" is right.

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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Dec-22-10 06:30 PM
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19. Just occurred to me that...
   
I'm not sure whether I'm allowed to say that on DU.

Nope you are not allowed to say that at free speech land.

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15. Or this is what happens when we don't follow the rule of law to begin with.
   
If the Bush administration hadn't tortured these guys, then we'd have no trouble prosecuting the truly guilty and this would all be history all ready.

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I know you guys are morons but, come on enemy combatants do not get the protections of our Constitution.
So when they were legally detained there was no requirement to read them their rights.

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22. I wrote to the president the other day and told
   
him I needed someone from Justice to contact me so I could file suit against former administration officials for war crimes.
I told him that we the people were the government and if he was not going to do his job then the people would have to do it for him.

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Re: We can't close GITMO because we engaged in war crimes..
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2010, 10:47:22 PM »
Across the universe millions of tribbles weep because they are smarter the entire membership of DU.
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Re: We can't close GITMO because we engaged in war crimes..
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2010, 11:24:42 PM »
Quote from: Airwolf on December 22, 2010, 10:47:22 PM
Across the universe millions of tribbles weep because they are smarter the entire membership of DU.

The sweat off a frogs balls is more intelligent than DUmmies!

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Re: We can't close GITMO because we engaged in war crimes..
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2010, 12:19:31 AM »
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Re: We can't close GITMO because we engaged in war crimes..
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2010, 01:56:22 AM »
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Exactly!

Two YEARS later, and they are STILL bitchin' about Bush. 

Un-f'n-believable.   :mental:
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Re: We can't close GITMO because we engaged in war crimes..
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2010, 11:09:30 AM »
So, DUmmie mudmuck, are you saying that Obumbles screwed the pooch getting rid of the 'War on Terror' language, since on-going war would be an entirely valid international law basis to keep detainees and PWs in custody for the duration of hostilities?
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Re: We can't close GITMO because we engaged in war crimes..
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2010, 01:20:35 PM »
Can an executive (& I use that term in the loosest possible way) not obey his own Executive Order?

DRUDGE has the headline: "Obama's GTIMO Policy in Shambles."   I would say that all of Obama's policies are in shambles.
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Re: We can't close GITMO because we engaged in war crimes..
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2010, 01:23:36 PM »
Quote from: jukin on December 23, 2010, 01:20:35 PM
Can an executive (& I use that term in the loosest possible way) not obey his own Executive Order?

DRUDGE has the headline: "Obama's GTIMO Policy in Shambles."   I would say that all of Obama's policies are in shambles.

Not all are in shambles. The fudge packers can now openly serve in the military.  (Granted that will make a shambles of the military, but his policy is in good shape)
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Re: We can't close GITMO because we engaged in war crimes..
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2010, 02:00:55 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on December 23, 2010, 01:23:36 PM
Not all are in shambles. The fudge packers can now openly serve in the military.  (Granted that will make a shambles of the military, but his policy is in good shape)

He's been very successful in shambelizing (2011's refudiate) America and it is on purpose. I don't think he is smart because his purpose (& the gaffes, and the team he assembled, etc) is very dumb and destructive but he has attained his goals.
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Re: We can't close GITMO because we engaged in war crimes..
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2010, 05:57:43 PM »
Could Obama be smarter than everyone? With the passage of DADT, what happens if the guards are
very quietly replaced with openly gay soldiers and manly lesbians guarding the terrorists? Would it be considered a violation of the Geneva Conventions if the guards switched from Heavy metal to the best of the Village people, or during PT if the workouts were supplemented with work out discs from Richard Simmons? If the guests at Gitmo get out of line, if a man hating lesbian happens to rough up a guest,
would that be considered a war crime?

Would the world support a war tribunal in the Hague against Obama if this happened? :whistling:
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Re: We can't close GITMO because we engaged in war crimes..
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2010, 06:41:14 PM »
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts)   Wed Dec-22-10 05:31 PM
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We can't close GITMO because we engaged in war crimes..
I heard President Obama answer why we can't close GITMO at his presser today.
Basically he said that we have some very dangerous people at GITMO. We can't let them go, because they would be a threat to the USA. We can't bring them to trial because after 9-11 we did some things that basically will not stand up in the court of law.
GITMO will always be a recruiting tool used against us. We don't have any war crime charges. Something needs to be done to undue this damage.
Let's see. DUmmy knows that these people are very dangerous and would love to cut all our throats if they possibly could. But, yet, they still cry and get their panties in a bunch because we used water boarding to protect the American people. That is your classic example of the mental disorder, liberalism. :mental:
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