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Make hooch affordable for homeless drunks
« on: December 17, 2010, 03:37:30 PM »
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CraftyGal Donating Member (557 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Dec-17-10 02:23 PM
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Make booze cheap for homeless, costly for everyone else: Study
   
Source: Global News

Homeless drinkers are more apt to buy 75-per-cent-proof rum or 22-per-cent fortified wines, Stockwell said.

People in this small and vulnerable group are also more apt to turn to non-beverage sources, such as rubbing alcohol and antifreeze, if real alcohol is too expensive.

While it sounds "counter-intuitive," Stockwell suggests the best course for this group is for government to provide managed programs that provide stable accommodations and free alcohol.

A recent report in the British medical journal The Lancet studied the relative harmfulness of 20 psychoactive drugs and rated alcohol as the most harmful, followed by heroin and crack cocaine. The findings may strike some as hysterical but "it does say that alcohol is underestimated in terms of its harmfulness" and we allow it to be available at rock-bottom prices at our peril, Stockwell said.

Read more: http://www.globalnational.com/health/story.html?id=3992...


I can kinda understand the position bust as a alcoholic in recovery...this is nuts! I lived in the Downtown Eastside of Vancouver, BC where I saw people drinking the lysol, the hair sprays, the cooking wine. What we did was advocate to get these products moved behind the counters so that there was accountability. Rather than plying our homeless with free booze we should be looking into ways to make booze less accessible. Believe me when I say a drunk will find a way to get their booze.

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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Dec-17-10 02:26 PM
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1. Sounds like a way to help kill themselves faster. nt

Oh nos. A VRWC.

And from the school bus driver.

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Dec-17-10 02:30 PM
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3. rubbing alcohol isn't? being on the streets isn't?


Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Dec-17-10 02:40 PM
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6. Are you advocating helping them kill themselves faster?
   
Obviously they are killing themselves slowly but I would think that treatment would be far more helpful then cheap booze


Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Dec-17-10 02:55 PM
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11. treatment isn't being offered either. death is the only thing offered.


BOG PERSON (534 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Dec-17-10 02:35 PM
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5. so let them die, and lower the surplus population!

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mudplanet (693 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Dec-17-10 02:55 PM
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10. I think you're missing more than one point of the article
   
1 - By providing safe alcohol (as opposed to mouthwash and sterno) we are being kind and humane
2 - "managed programs that provide stable accommodations and free alcohol" means keeping them from dying on the street from exposure and poor nutrition. Providing the alcohol is no different from current methadone programs. "Managed programs" means being able to provide substance abuse counseling to assist people to quit and to help them to manage their sub abuse problems.

I believe you when you say a drunk will find a way to get his booze - and that's why I favor managed programs that will help to minimize the damage of alcoholism. They're going to get it anyway, let's make sure it's safe (as safe as alcohol can be).

Some accounts report that Winston Churchill drank two quarts of scotch a day - but he drank good scotch and got three squares a day, so he lived into his 80s.

Alcoholism treatment in Britain has moved away from the AA/abstinence is the only way model to include education about ways to mitigate alcohol's damage to a person. For example, the main, immediate problem many of the alcoholics I have worked with have is that they drink and drive. As a result, they have hurt others and they have massive, long-term legal problems that are as damaging as their alcoholism.

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20. Don't homeless people have enough problems without taking away their alcohol?
   
Why should those without shelter have less rights?

The stoopid is strong with this one.

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Alcibiades (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Dec-17-10 04:13 PM
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22. Here in NC, you can get a fifth of vodka for $5.25
   
That's enough to get even a really hard core alcoholic pretty messed up. If you would just give the most alcoholic alcoholics $6.00 or so a day, they would stay away from the lysol. Or perhaps we could just deliver it to their doorstep daily?

I really don't think the problem is that booze isn't cheap enough.

Leave it to liberals to come up with a proper solution. They could use the other .75 for Ramen noodles.

Paging Bobo.
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Re: Make hooch affordable for homeless drunks
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2010, 03:41:27 PM »
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Re: Make hooch affordable for homeless drunks
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2010, 03:41:53 PM »
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People in this small and vulnerable group are also more apt to turn to non-beverage sources, such as rubbing alcohol and antifreeze, if real alcohol is too expensive.

Neither of those things are cheap.  However, they would kill the homeless drunks sooner, so maybe those things should be made cheaper for the homeless drunks.  O-)
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Re: Make hooch affordable for homeless drunks
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2010, 04:04:11 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on December 17, 2010, 03:41:53 PM
Neither of those things are cheap.  However, they would kill the homeless drunks sooner, so maybe those things should be made cheaper for the homeless drunks.  O-)

If Bobo had read that, she would rake you over the coals while reaming you a new one.
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Re: Make hooch affordable for homeless drunks
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2010, 04:13:26 PM »
This thread reminds me of the DUmp's best lying, homeless drunk of all time, DUmmy Redstone's buddy, TomInTib. Though he had to bunk on a cot in the back room of a trinket shop, he claimed to put away a couple bottles of Bombay Sapphire premium gin every night.
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Re: Make hooch affordable for homeless drunks
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2010, 04:29:56 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on December 17, 2010, 03:41:53 PM
Neither of those things are cheap.  However, they would kill the homeless drunks sooner, so maybe those things should be made cheaper for the homeless drunks.  O-)

Hobos on a budget should stick strickly to 50/50 premix antifreeze.  It's easier on the stomach, and on the wallet.     
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Re: Make hooch affordable for homeless drunks
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2010, 04:38:42 PM »
You know, I do believe the over educated intelligent elite is getting DUmber and DUmber by the day......oh wait....I got that backwards, they think we're getting DUmber by the day.

 :hammer: We're gonna have to knock some sense into their heads soon.
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Re: Make hooch affordable for homeless drunks
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2010, 04:42:57 PM »
A loaf of bread, a quart of rubbing alcohol, and a blanket right near an interstate or cliff.
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Re: Make hooch affordable for homeless drunks
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2010, 04:47:47 PM »
Yeah, just what I want.  More homeless drunks running around Las Vegas and walking into on-coming traffic.  Walking into on-coming traffic does solve our homeless problem.  If the DUmmies are trying to get rid of the homeless with this tactic, whatever.  But if I have to pay $20 for a bottle of Captain Morgan or $50 for some Patron, the homeless are going to pay the exact same price.
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Re: Make hooch affordable for homeless drunks
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2010, 04:50:31 PM »
Quote from: jukin on December 17, 2010, 04:42:57 PM
A loaf of bread, a quart of rubbing alcohol, and a blanket right near an interstate or cliff.

I thought they used bread for straining SternoTM.
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Re: Make hooch affordable for homeless drunks
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2010, 04:56:04 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on December 17, 2010, 04:50:31 PM
I thought they used bread for straining SternoTM.

Bobo would use it as a disposable loofah. For cleansing after. Gotta get the hooch any way you can.
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Re: Make hooch affordable for homeless drunks
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2010, 04:57:24 PM »
Quote from: Tucker on December 17, 2010, 04:04:11 PM
If Bobo had read that, she would rake you over the coals while reaming you a new one.

Gimme a break! If you said the sky was blue, Bobo would lambaste you that "sure, the sky is blue where you live in your comfortable abode, but it is nothing but dismal gray where us less fortunate are living in our Model T's!"
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Re: Make hooch affordable for homeless drunks
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2010, 05:11:59 PM »
Quote from: AllosaursRus on December 17, 2010, 04:57:24 PM
Gimme a break! If you said the sky was blue, Bobo would lambaste you that "sure, the sky is blue where you live in your comfortable abode, but it is nothing but dismal gray where us less fortunate are living in our Model T's!"

That's pretty good. That sounds just like something she would say. You know it's long been suspected that Bobo is the mole of a conservative poster. Can you shed some light on this?

 :naughty: :-)
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Re: Make hooch affordable for homeless drunks
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2010, 05:57:36 PM »
Quote from: Evil_Conservative on December 17, 2010, 04:47:47 PM
More homeless drunks running around Las Vegas and walking into on-coming traffic.  Walking into on-coming traffic does solve our homeless problem.

I think liberals are worth 100 points. Homeless drunks are worth 150, and homeless liberal drunks are worth 250 points.

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Re: Make hooch affordable for homeless drunks
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2010, 06:35:13 PM »
Yeah, but liberals are harder to clean off your car.
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Re: Make hooch affordable for homeless drunks
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2010, 06:38:44 PM »
Quote from: chris_ on December 17, 2010, 06:35:13 PM
Yeah, but liberals are harder to clean off your car.

That's why we have the Pooper-Scooper.  :naughty:
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Re: Make hooch affordable for homeless drunks
« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2010, 06:54:22 PM »
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Yeah, but liberals are harder to clean off your car.

I've heard Goof-Off works pretty well for tough cleaning jobs on paint.  Ironic, huh?   :-)
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Re: Make hooch affordable for homeless drunks
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2010, 07:03:26 PM »
Quote from: GOBUCKS on December 17, 2010, 03:41:27 PM
Bobo the Hobo is getting her Goose on.
And looking for a wifi signal in the library parking lot. :-)
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Re: Make hooch affordable for homeless drunks
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2010, 07:29:18 PM »
Quote from: chris_ on December 17, 2010, 06:35:13 PM
Yeah, but liberals are harder to clean off your car.

That's what I was thinking.

Who would take the dents and wash the blood off the paint?

I was going to ask who was going to clean the brains off the windshield, but I quickly remembered liberals didn't have brains.
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Re: Make hooch affordable for homeless drunks
« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2010, 07:30:58 PM »
Quote from: GOBUCKS on December 17, 2010, 04:13:26 PM
This thread reminds me of the DUmp's best lying, homeless drunk of all time, DUmmy Redstone's buddy, TomInTib. Though he had to bunk on a cot in the back room of a trinket shop, he claimed to put away a couple bottles of Bombay Sapphire premium gin every night.

That's only because he wanted to emulate his hero, Richard Marcinko.
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Re: Make hooch affordable for homeless drunks
« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2010, 07:53:15 PM »
Hey bobbolink, check your iPhone, you need to show up to this thread for our entertainment.
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Re: Make hooch affordable for homeless drunks
« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2010, 06:27:26 AM »
Quote from: BattleHymn on December 17, 2010, 06:54:22 PM
I've heard Goof-Off works pretty well for tough cleaning jobs on paint.  Ironic, huh?   :-)
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