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When Eugene Jenkins showed up at St. Paul AME Church at 1:30 a.m. Wednesday, he didn’t know he would be one of the last people to get a ticket for assistance with his heating bill.
He waited in line until 7 a.m., when officials started to hand out the tickets, then went home for a few hours before returning at 10 a.m. By the time he had finished up his paperwork, it was 1:15 p.m., making for a long day.

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That’s left people such as Raymeica Kelley frustrated. Kelley said she, her mother and her sister arrived at the church about 3 a.m. Wednesday, only to get turned away.
“We were already too late,” she said. “It’s like impossible (to get a ticket). It gets in the way of people who need it. ... If we’re there at 3 a.m. and it’s already too late, what time are you supposed to go?”


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WOODY MARSHALL/THE TELEGRAPH Showing her Georgia Power bills in the one warm room of her home, Raymeica Kelly explains how her mother, sister and herself were turned away from the Energy Assistance Program on Wednesday morning after standing in line for four hours. All three complained that the system the Macon-Bibb County Economic Opportunity Council uses to give out the assistance needs improving.

I'll bet this woman could pay her own damn bills if she sold that  bigass TV, the X-Box below it, and stopped her cable service.

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Re: Funding cuts leave many without home heating assistance in Macon (Georgia)
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2010, 09:17:48 AM »
Okay, lemme get this straight...yes, it's cold in Georgia this week.

THIS WEEK.  But seriously, how much oil do ya'll go through in an average winter?  I keep the house at 55 at night and during the day while I'm at work.  It's 68 for an hour in the morning and about 4-5 hours in the evening after I get home from work.  (Programmable thermostats are da bomb.)

But even so I still go through 450-500 gallons in a season, starting in early October and going through mid- to late-April.

And another thing--if you can stand in a line at 1 am for free shit, how come you can't be at a JOB to make money to buy that heating oil?  Just a thought.
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Re: Funding cuts leave many without home heating assistance in Macon (Georgia)
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2010, 09:35:31 AM »
As a resident of Macon, Georgia, I feel the need to chime in here.

Most of us don't use oil.  In fact, I know of none who do.  We have electric heat pumps or gas furnaces.  Given that this woman claims she needs assistance paying her electric bill, I assume she has a heat pump.

For along time in Georgia, gas heat was much cheaper than electric heat, but ill-advised "deregulation" caued gas prices to skyrocket, and now electric heat is cheaper.  Of course, our Republican legislature and our Republican utiliy regulatory agency just granted Georgia Power a massive rate increase, so electric heat prices have gone up significantly within the last couple of months.  I got a $100.00 increase last month (over the same month last year).

It does get cold in the South.  Our average yearly low here in Macon is 15 degrees.  In the winters, we go through warm spells (when the Gulf Stream is dominant) and cold spells (when the Jet Stream is dominant).  The cold spells rarely last longer than a week at a time, but we will have six or seven such cold spells between November 1 and April 1.  To us, those spells are pretty brutal.  We tend to be less-well-prepared for those than those who live to our North.  It really is impossible to survive for long without heat.

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Re: Funding cuts leave many without home heating assistance in Macon (Georgia)
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2010, 09:44:42 AM »
As a resident of Macon, Georgia, I feel the need to chime in here.

Most of us don't use oil.  In fact, I know of none who do.  We have electric heat pumps or gas furnaces.  Given that this woman claims she needs assistance paying her electric bill, I assume she has a heat pump.

For along time in Georgia, gas heat was much cheaper than electric heat, but ill-advised "deregulation" caued gas prices to skyrocket, and now electric heat is cheaper.  Of course, our Republican legislature and our Republican utiliy regulatory agency just granted Georgia Power a massive rate increase, so electric heat prices have gone up significantly within the last couple of months.  I got a $100.00 increase last month (over the same month last year).

It does get cold in the South.  Our average yearly low here in Macon is 15 degrees.  In the winters, we go through warm spells (when the Gulf Stream is dominant) and cold spells (when the Jet Stream is dominant).  The cold spells rarely last longer than a week at a time, but we will have six or seven such cold spells between November 1 and April 1.  To us, those spells are pretty brutal.  We tend to be less-well-prepared for those than those who live to our North.  It really is impossible to survive for long without heat.

for what that's worth.

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Did you miss my point about her giving up a few things to pay her own bills?  TV, X-Box, cable?  I'll bet she doesn't just have basic cable hooked to that Hi-Def TV.

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Re: Funding cuts leave many without home heating assistance in Macon (Georgia)
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2010, 09:56:50 AM »
Did you miss my point about her giving up a few things to pay her own bills?  TV, X-Box, cable?  I'll bet she doesn't just have basic cable hooked to that Hi-Def TV.

I did see your argument on that sbject.  I didn't feel the need to respond to that because I am a guest here, ultimately, and I had little hope that we could find any comon ground on that issue.

But let's assume, for a moment, that she sold the TV and the x-box.  She might get enough money to pay her electric bill for one or two months.  Great.  Then she'll have no electricity, again, but she'll also not have the TV and the X-Box.  That wouldn't really help her.  I have no idea whether she has cable, so I can't speculate as to whether eliminating that would help her, financially.  Cable is expensive, I admit, and it's a luxury, but my cable bill here in Macon is less that half my electric bill.  Eliminating cable would not allow me to pay for electricity.

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Re: Funding cuts leave many without home heating assistance in Macon (Georgia)
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2010, 10:10:55 AM »
Many electric companies have programs to assist the needy or poor. They ask for donations on my monthly bill. One doesn't need the Government to provide for those needs when the companies will already do that. I'm pretty sure that most utility companies that provide needed services have some sort of program.
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Re: Funding cuts leave many without home heating assistance in Macon (Georgia)
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2010, 10:15:42 AM »
Many electric companies have programs to assist the needy or poor. They ask for donations on my monthly bill. One doesn't need the Government to provide for those needs when the companies will already do that. I'm pretty sure that most utility companies that provide needed services have some sort of program.

This woman's application was never reviewed.  No way to tell whether she's needy or not.  Her complaint is that she stood in line for hours, but once Georgia Power had accepted a certain number of applications, all of which were screened for need, they just closed the doors and told everyone who was still in line to go away.  "Sorry," they said, "We don't care how needy all the rest of you may be.  We have met our quota, we hve no more "free electricity" to give out, and all of you who didn't even get your applications reviewed are just SOL."

That's how they do it here.

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Re: Funding cuts leave many without home heating assistance in Macon (Georgia)
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2010, 10:17:54 AM »
As a resident of Macon, Georgia, I feel the need to chime in here.

Most of us don't use oil.  In fact, I know of none who do.  We have electric heat pumps or gas furnaces.  Given that this woman claims she needs assistance paying her electric bill, I assume she has a heat pump.

For along time in Georgia, gas heat was much cheaper than electric heat, but ill-advised "deregulation" caued gas prices to skyrocket, and now electric heat is cheaper.  Of course, our Republican legislature and our Republican utiliy regulatory agency just granted Georgia Power a massive rate increase, so electric heat prices have gone up significantly within the last couple of months.  I got a $100.00 increase last month (over the same month last year).

It does get cold in the South.  Our average yearly low here in Macon is 15 degrees.  In the winters, we go through warm spells (when the Gulf Stream is dominant) and cold spells (when the Jet Stream is dominant).  The cold spells rarely last longer than a week at a time, but we will have six or seven such cold spells between November 1 and April 1.  To us, those spells are pretty brutal.  We tend to be less-well-prepared for those than those who live to our North.  It really is impossible to survive for long without heat.

for what that's worth.

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http://www.intellicast.com/Local/History.aspx?location=USGA0346

http://www.intellicast.com/Local/History.aspx?location=USNH0194

Do the comparison.  Sorry, no sympathy here.  What you call a "cold spell", I consider a "warm spell".  And what I deal with is NOTHING like what the folks in MN, up in the North Country of NH, or northern Maine deal with from September through about May.

I pay about 20 cents a KwH for my electricity, meaning the CHEAPEST bill I see is $80 a month these days.  Look at your bill and tell me how much you're being charged.  I was in Iowa for six weeks.  I unplugged the water heater, turned the thermostat down to 45 degrees, and turned off all but the fridge/freezer.  My bill was still $65.  I don't have central air.  In summer, I have ONE window AC unit that I only run if the temperature is predicted to go above 85, and even then I was looking at $150-200/month electric bills.

And this woman has a 55-inch television, X-Box, and cable to go with it (including Internet)?  I know my cable bill would easily pay her heating bill.  EASILY.

No, no sympathy here.
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Re: Funding cuts leave many without home heating assistance in Macon (Georgia)
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2010, 10:21:33 AM »
I did see your argument on that sbject.  I didn't feel the need to respond to that because I am a guest here, ultimately, and I had little hope that we could find any comon ground on that issue.

But let's assume, for a moment, that she sold the TV and the x-box.  She might get enough money to pay her electric bill for one or two months.  Great.  Then she'll have no electricity, again, but she'll also not have the TV and the X-Box.  That wouldn't really help her.  I have no idea whether she has cable, so I can't speculate as to whether eliminating that would help her, financially.  Cable is expensive, I admit, and it's a luxury, but my cable bill here in Macon is less that half my electric bill.  Eliminating cable would not allow me to pay for electricity.

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That TV probably cost $7-800, easily, the X-Box and associated games $3-500 or so, Cable $30-40. For that amount I could pay my power bill for the winter months.
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Re: Funding cuts leave many without home heating assistance in Macon (Georgia)
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2010, 10:29:41 AM »
http://www.intellicast.com/Local/History.aspx?location=USGA0346

http://www.intellicast.com/Local/History.aspx?location=USNH0194

Do the comparison.  Sorry, no sympathy here.  What you call a "cold spell", I consider a "warm spell".  And what I deal with is NOTHING like what the folks in MN, up in the North Country of NH, or northern Maine deal with from September through about May.

I pay about 20 cents a KwH for my electricity, meaning the CHEAPEST bill I see is $80 a month these days.  Look at your bill and tell me how much you're being charged.  I was in Iowa for six weeks.  I unplugged the water heater, turned the thermostat down to 45 degrees, and turned off all but the fridge/freezer.  My bill was still $65.  I don't have central air.  In summer, I have ONE window AC unit that I only run if the temperature is predicted to go above 85, and even then I was looking at $150-200/month electric bills.

And this woman has a 55-inch television, X-Box, and cable to go with it (including Internet)?  I know my cable bill would easily pay her heating bill.  EASILY.

No, no sympathy here.

That appears to be a very high rate you're paying.  I looked at my bill, and while it doesn't say exactly what the kw/hr rate is, it appears to be about 10 cents per hour.  Of course, we use a lot more electricity here, I suspect, particularly in the Summers when we run air conditioning.  My average electric bill, before the recent rate hike, was $149.22/month, and that was lower than most of my neighbors' electric bills.  My cable bill is right at $120.00/month, but that includes high speed internet access.

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Re: Funding cuts leave many without home heating assistance in Macon (Georgia)
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2010, 10:30:48 AM »
Hold on a second...something here doesn't jive...

As a resident of Macon, Georgia, I feel the need to chime in here.

It does get cold in the South.  Our average yearly low here in Macon is 15 degrees.

According to netstate.com, the average yearly low temperature for Macon, GA is 32.6 degrees, so you're being either melodramatic or dishonest.

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In the winters, we go through warm spells (when the Gulf Stream is dominant) and cold spells (when the Jet Stream is dominant).  The cold spells rarely last longer than a week at a time, but we will have six or seven such cold spells between November 1 and April 1.  To us, those spells are pretty brutal.  We tend to be less-well-prepared for those than those who live to our North.  It really is impossible to survive for long without heat.

So, unless my arithmetic is horribly flawed, you're saying that you experience "six or seven" cold spells, each lasting about a week, from November 1 to April 1, correct?

I find this rather odd, considering that the 42 weeks from Nov 1 to Apri 1 is precisely the same amount of time you claim Macon suffers through those brutal cold spells, yet none of you are able to prepare for these adaquately?

Madam, your entire post reeks of patent dishonesty and craven class war-mongering.

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Re: Funding cuts leave many without home heating assistance in Macon (Georgia)
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2010, 10:33:39 AM »
ETA:  There are no guest with posting privileges here. Only members have those.

Yes, I know.  While I am a member, and while I am honored to be one, I still feel like a guest and try to behave like one because I adhere to a different political philosophy than most of this site's members.

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Re: Funding cuts leave many without home heating assistance in Macon (Georgia)
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2010, 10:35:22 AM »
Yes, I know.  While I am a member, and while I am honored to be one, I still feel like a guest and try to behave like one because I adhere to a different political philosophy than most of this site's members.

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Well, claiming to live in Chicago-level temps when one doesn't isn't exactly mannerly.

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Re: Funding cuts leave many without home heating assistance in Macon (Georgia)
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2010, 10:44:08 AM »
I'll bet this woman could pay her own damn bills if she sold that  bigass TV, the X-Box below it, and stopped her cable service.

But she needs those items.  

Stories like these always piss me off.  And not because these people were turned away from help.  Get a job.  Nevada Energy and SW Gas out here in Las Vegas have assistance to help the lower income families around here.  I'm not sure if we have people handing out vouchers for "free" or discounted help though.  I think you just have to call the companies and ask.  

I'd like to see these same people standing in line for assistance on their bills to stand in line for a job fair.
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Re: Funding cuts leave many without home heating assistance in Macon (Georgia)
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2010, 10:45:02 AM »
Hold on a second...something here doesn't jive...

According to netstate.com, the average yearly low temperature for Macon, GA is 32.6 degrees, so you're being either melodramatic or dishonest.


By "average yearly low" I mean the lowest temperature it gets (on average) in the winter.  I have no idea what the site you've linked means by that term.  Trust me, it got down to 18 or 19 degrees here last week, as this graph shows:

http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=KGAMACON4&day=17&year=2010&month=12&graphspan=month

On average, in the Winter, 15 degrees is about the lowest temperature we will see.  Sometimes a little higher, sometimes a little lower.  That's what I mean by the term "average yearly low."

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Re: Funding cuts leave many without home heating assistance in Macon (Georgia)
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2010, 10:56:48 AM »
But she needs those items.  

Stories like these always piss me off.  And not because these people were turned away from help.  Get a job.  Nevada Energy and SW Gas out here in Las Vegas have assistance to help the lower income families around here.  I'm not sure if we have people handing out vouchers for "free" or discounted help though.  I think you just have to call the companies and ask.  

I'd like to see these same people standing in line for assistance on their bills to stand in line for a job fair.

Half the reason why I was almost tempted to stop paying the $1/month PSNH asks me for to assist low-income families.

Difference between there and here is that I don't see a whole lot of panhandling/freeloaders around here.  Yes, they still exist, but certainly not to the numbers one would expect.  Massholes, OTOH...go figure.
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« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2010, 10:57:44 AM »
By "average yearly low" I mean the lowest temperature it gets (on average) in the winter.  I have no idea what the site you've linked means by that term.  Trust me, it got down to 18 or 19 degrees here last week, as this graph shows:

http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=KGAMACON4&day=17&year=2010&month=12&graphspan=month

On average, in the Winter, 15 degrees is about the lowest temperature we will see.  Sometimes a little higher, sometimes a little lower.  That's what I mean by the term "average yearly low."

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That was LAST week.  An anomaly.  Outlier.  Freak occurance.

Look at the links I provided.  Then cry me a river again?
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Re: Funding cuts leave many without home heating assistance in Macon (Georgia)
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2010, 10:59:13 AM »
I would also note that the site quoted above says this:

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The great day-to-day variability in winter weather is caused by the interaction of polar and subtropical air masses. Atlanta's extreme low temperatures are rarely below 14 degrees F.

In other words, 15 degrees is about right if we're talking about the lowest temp. it will get to, on average, in a given year.  Atlanta is a little cooler than Macon, but you get the point.

That site also says this:

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The lowest temperature in Georgia, -17°, was recorded on January 27, 1940 at CCC Camp.

http://www.netstate.com/states/geography/ga_geography.htm

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Re: Funding cuts leave many without home heating assistance in Macon (Georgia)
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2010, 11:12:47 AM »

The accusation that I am somehow trying to mislead you all, while understandable given your pre-disposition to me, is ill-founded.

Edit:Laelth--typos.

I don't have any particular "pre-disposition" to you, other than the fact that your claim that the average lowest temp in Macon is 15 degrees is a fabrication, and your choosing to lay the blame for a woman's inability to get a handout (while standing in front of a nicer TV my own) at the feet of the Georgia GOP is exceedingly disingenuous.

Of course, I'm choosing not to address the ridiculous assertion that most of you down there are ill-prepared for cold weather, while you simultaneously try to maintain that somehow, Georgia historically is as cold as Buffalo, NY.

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Re: Funding cuts leave many without home heating assistance in Macon (Georgia)
« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2010, 11:14:36 AM »
Lowest temperature ever recorded in Macon, GA, was -6 degrees, on January 21st, 1985.  It has NEVER been below zero there on any other day since records were kept.

EVER.

Again, I'm not that bad off where I'm at, and I still hit that at least 5 times last winter, and a dozen more the year prior when we had a nice little "cold snap", where we "only" hit -20 F.  Parts of the North Country around Berlin were at -40 F.  A weather station in Maine recorded its coldest temperature EVER at -50 F last winter.

As a kid living in Idaho, Wyoming, and Colorado, I often saw temperatures hit -25 to -30 F.  Funny how we all managed to survive.
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Re: Funding cuts leave many without home heating assistance in Macon (Georgia)
« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2010, 11:18:26 AM »
Given that we all seem to want to talk about the weather (a nice, safe topic), you may be interested in the USDA's climate zone map.  This map shows that Macon is in zone 8a (and that means an average yearly low of between 10 and 15 degrees).

http://mgonline.com/media/Images/z/zm_ga.jpg

Chicago, which a previous poster mentioned, is in zone 5b (and that means an average yearly low of between -10 and -15 degrees).

http://mgonline.com/media/Images/z/zm_il.jpg

The system is described here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardiness_zone

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Re: Funding cuts leave many without home heating assistance in Macon (Georgia)
« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2010, 11:19:33 AM »
So, where is my free gas, food, heating, car, ect, ect, etc, ect ect ect................







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Re: Funding cuts leave many without home heating assistance in Macon (Georgia)
« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2010, 11:24:38 AM »
Given that we all seem to want to talk about the weather (a nice, safe topic), you may be interested in the USDA's climate zone map.  This map shows that Macon is in zone 8a (and that means an average yearly low of between 10 and 15 degrees).

http://mgonline.com/media/Images/z/zm_ga.jpg

Chicago, which a previous poster mentioned, is in zone 5b (and that means an average yearly low of between -10 and -15 degrees).

http://mgonline.com/media/Images/z/zm_il.jpg

The system is described here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardiness_zone

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That would be an extreme, dear.  Not a daily average.  For the record, I'm in 4a and it doesn't get anywhere near -30 on a daily basis here in winter.  Just seems like it sometimes.
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Re: Funding cuts leave many without home heating assistance in Macon (Georgia)
« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2010, 11:25:28 AM »
I don't have any particular "pre-disposition" to you, other than the fact that your claim that the average lowest temp in Macon is 15 degrees is a fabrication, and your choosing to lay the blame for a woman's inability to get a handout (while standing in front of a nicer TV my own) at the feet of the Georgia GOP is exceedingly disingenuous.

Of course, I'm choosing not to address the ridiculous assertion that most of you down there are ill-prepared for cold weather, while you simultaneously try to maintain that somehow, Georgia historically is as cold as Buffalo, NY.

Sorry, but my claim that the average yearly low here in Macon is 15 degrees is not a fabrication.  I live here.  It's the truth.  And I never claimed that Macon is as cold as Buffalo.  Buffalo appears to be in zone 6a (and that means an average yearly low of between -5 and -10 degrees).

http://mgonline.com/media/Images/z/zm_ny.jpg

-Laelth

Edit:Laelth--fixed for clarity due to sloppy typing--too rushed.
« Last Edit: December 17, 2010, 11:35:56 AM by Laelth »
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Re: Funding cuts leave many without home heating assistance in Macon (Georgia)
« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2010, 11:27:27 AM »
That would be an extreme, dear.  Not a daily average.  For the record, I'm in 4a and it doesn't get anywhere near -30 on a daily basis here in winter.  Just seems like it sometimes.

Indeed.  It appears we had a failure of communication.  I never used the term "daily average."  I used the term "average yearly low."

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